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    Question Do Georgians have any actual Steppe ancestry?

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    Even though some Georgians do score over 10 percent North_European on Dodecad, the Georgian_Imereti average from G25 appears to be zero Steppe.

    Davidski standard run:

    Target: Georgian_Imer
    Distance: 2.7658% / 0.02765826
    95.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    2.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    1.4 WHG
    0.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    0.2 Han

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    They don't based on what I've seen from their Imeretian averages. Gedmatch calculators are wrong imo.

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    GEDmatch says yes, as you pointed out in the OP many score up to 10 N E. G25 on the other hand:

    GEDmatch is older, so I would guess G25 is more reliable

    Target: Georgian_Imer
    Distance: 2.3799% / 0.02379851
    52.0 GEO_CHG
    43.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    3.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    0.2 Levant_PPNB

    Target: Georgian_Laz
    Distance: 2.5193% / 0.02519349
    46.4 GEO_CHG
    31.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    14.0 Levant_PPNB
    6.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    1.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
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    Well, GED doesn't say Steppe, we just infer it from the North_European.
    Looks like Georgians almost exclusively CHG and Anatolian-like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leto View Post
    Well, GED doesn't say Steppe, we just infer it from the North_European.
    Looks like Georgians almost exclusively CHG and Anatolian-like.
    If NE-Europe(Dodecad) is indicating steppe-influence, then some have, some nearly none. Look at Laz people who are nearly 100% non-steppe and they are so to speak their "siblings". I have posted an ancient result from Georgia who already had some European influence.

    Gedrosia: 39.87pct
    NE-Europe: 9.81 Pct
    South Asian: 0.59 Pct
    Caucasia: 47.87 Pct
    SSA: 1.87 Pct

    How it can be that Laz people dont have any, but even ancient Georgia had it. This calculators maybe suck Yamnaya away because they always were steppe influenced.

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    Of course they have, even if it isn't autosomally noticeable.

    1/5 of them is M173, many have light pigmentation, lactose
    persistance and lack of rh, so it is obviously logical that not
    only this 20% have steppe ancestors, but the rest of them
    has also some far ascendants among the ancient steppoids.

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    Which Caucasian ethnicity has the biggest amount of steppe ancestry btw.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Which Caucasian ethnicity has the biggest amount of steppe ancestry btw.?
    Avars, if G25 is any indication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Which Caucasian ethnicity has the biggest amount of steppe ancestry btw.?
    North Caucasians generally have generally high North Euro admixture, highest amount of it can be found among Avars, Daghestanis(like Tabassarans or Dargins) or Chechens as far i know.

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    This basically means that there were ancient carriers of genes for light eyes and hair other than Indo-Europeans.

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