IRAN: No longer an Islamic nation

[Nurzat]

You should not include Assyrians as Levantine Christian Arabs! Why are you so ignorant? Read some history.
Assyrians are a separate ethnicity and culture indigenous to the area of historical Mesopotamia that includes Eastern Turkey, Northern Iraq, North Western Iran and North Eastern Syria and are not related to Arabs, Persian, Kurds & Turks except that we share geographic areas because our historical lands were conquered and settled by others.
Now if some indigenous Christian Levantines or other groups like to identify as Arabs, that would be their business, but Assyrians do not wish to claim that and we have paid a heavy price to keep our language, culture & religion.

I was oversimplifying, if you put it that way each place in the Muslim world has its own local flavour, from Berbers in the West to Pamiris. don't take it so abruptly, the focus being Persians vs Arabs I thought of grouping Semitic-speaking vs Indo-European speaking and then by religions, since this is maybe even more important in the Muslim world, or at least that's how we perceive it from the outside. we know Assyrians are something else locally, thought I still can list them with Arabic-speaking Christians since also the languages are related, they share the same geography etc, my bad if you felt that's offensive, sorry

[HectorOfTroy]

No offense, but i dont see much difference between iranians and arabs. They look same, they behave same etc.

Arabs conquered Iranians and intermixed with them. The several decades of radical Islamization means they would act similar as well.

I imagine the pre-Arab Iranians probably looked alot like those North Indian Sikhs and/or those very brown but very caucasoid Dravidians (who originated as Iranian Farmers/Zagrosians before migrating to India). Nowadays people confuse Dravidian for those Austro-Asian/Psuedo Australoid looking ones but those were either East Asian ancient migrants, or the indigenous non Dravidian and non Aryan population of India, Dravidians are actually hailing from Iran originally.

Dravidian (Neolithic Iranian Farmers, if pure)



Modern North Indian (Steppe/Kurgan + Iranian mix mostly)


Arabs look alot more like brown colored Jews (because they are semitic) and have those physical features that one would stereotypically associate with very Jewish looking individuals, usually.


Contrast to Pure Iranians (non Arab admixed) who are not semitic at all, and typically have more robust faces/jaw with fuller/more voluminous cheekbones and midfaces with straighter noses (like the Indians in the pic)

Freddy Mercury, Indian of recent Iranian descent:


Steve Jobs, Half Syrian/Iranid (Some Syrians have very close ties to Iranians)


The long but robust faces/jaws with voluminous cheekbones/midface and a large fairly straight nose is a common trend.

[Babak]

Arabs conquered Iranians and intermixed with them. The several decades of radical Islamization means they would act similar as well.

I imagine the pre-Arab Iranians probably looked alot like those North Indian Sikhs and/or those very brown but very caucasoid Dravidians (who originated as Iranian Farmers/Zagrosians before migrating to India). Nowadays people confuse Dravidian for those Austro-Asian/Psuedo Australoid looking ones but those were either East Asian ancient migrants, or the indigenous non Dravidian and non Aryan population of India, Dravidians are actually hailing from Iran originally.

Dravidian (Neolithic Iranian Farmers, if pure)



Modern North Indian (Steppe/Kurgan + Iranian mix mostly)


Arabs look alot more like brown colored Jews (because they are semitic) and have those physical features that one would stereotypically associate with very Jewish looking individuals, usually.


Contrast to Pure Iranians (non Arab admixed) who are not semitic at all, and typically have more robust faces/jaw with fuller/more voluminous cheekbones and midfaces with straighter noses (like the Indians in the pic)

Freddy Mercury, Indian of recent Iranian descent:


Steve Jobs, Half Syrian/Iranid (Some Syrians have very close ties to Iranians)

Iranians, for the most part, are natives with steppe influence. They dont cluster with any Arab population.

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https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...9d28af058f1-lq

[Blondie]

Modern North Indian (Steppe/Kurgan + Iranian mix mostly)

Looks like a new age wizard who wanna steal my money with some magic trick.

[thisismyaccount]

Arabs conquered Iranians and intermixed with them. The several decades of radical Islamization means they would act similar as well.

I imagine the pre-Arab Iranians probably looked alot like those North Indian Sikhs and/or those very brown but very caucasoid Dravidians (who originated as Iranian Farmers/Zagrosians before migrating to India). Nowadays people confuse Dravidian for those Austro-Asian/Psuedo Australoid looking ones but those were either East Asian ancient migrants, or the indigenous non Dravidian and non Aryan population of India, Dravidians are actually hailing from Iran originally.

Dravidian (Neolithic Iranian Farmers, if pure)



Modern North Indian (Steppe/Kurgan + Iranian mix mostly)


Arabs look alot more like brown colored Jews (because they are semitic) and have those physical features that one would stereotypically associate with very Jewish looking individuals, usually.


Contrast to Pure Iranians (non Arab admixed) who are not semitic at all, and typically have more robust faces with fuller/more voluminous cheekbones and midfaces with straighter noses (like the Indians in the pic)

Youre complete off charts.
Arabs were only just the elites who ruled the locals. The native population was massive to Arabs.

The locals were and are persians and other locals. They have no ancestry from those Arabs, except the actual sayyeds. They look like as they always done

[chinshen]

I was oversimplifying, if you put it that way each place in the Muslim world has its own local flavour, from Berbers in the West to Pamiris. don't take it so abruptly, the focus being Persians vs Arabs I thought of grouping Semitic-speaking vs Indo-European speaking and then by religions, since this is maybe even more important in the Muslim world, or at least that's how we perceive it from the outside. we know Assyrians are something else locally, thought I still can list them with Arabic-speaking Christians since also the languages are related, they share the same geography etc, my bad if you felt that's offensive, sorry

If you like to oversimplify thinks then why don't you identify as Russian or even better Turkish? Since Romania was part of the Eastern block and was ruled by the Ottoman Turks for a long period of time.

I am not really offended, I just don't like the truth being twisted.

Also if you like to identify people by language family then why do you stop at Arab? Go ahead and place us with East Africans, their languages are also lumped with our language.
You should also identify as Bengali, Pakistani or South Indian since your language is part of the same larger Indo-European language family.
You said it yourself, Assyrians do not share religion with Arabs, Assyrians are Christians belonging to ancient Apostolic church, Orthodox, Catholic and some have lately converted to Protestantism while Arabs are Moslems (Sunni, Shia, Druze or Alawite).

[HectorOfTroy]

Iranians, for the most part, are natives with steppe influence. They dont cluster with any Arab population.

https://storage.googleapis.com/plos-...2ca95b3aa183c8

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...9d28af058f1-lq

Yes, I noticed the average Iranian genetics were far more Eastern (Indian-like, not Mongoloid) and Northern shifted than Saudis on a genetic plot (and even relative to other Levantines). I was mostly referring to the type of Iranians that look very Arab/Saudi.

[Loki]

No offense, but i dont see much difference between iranians and arabs. They look same, they behave same etc.

I disagree. They look different to me. As for behaviour, I'm sure they're very different too.

[Nurzat]

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it was not an article, dude I was in a couple of words telling someone that Persians are not Arabs and that Arab/Muslim world is diverse, and Assyrians, as Christians, can be in the end listed with other Near Eastern Christians if you want to list Christian Near Easterners vs Muslim Near Easterners, I think you're making a fuss out of nothing, the Assyrians weren't even the subject of the post/thread, it was about Persians vs Arabs. hope now you understood no one commented in bad faith, it was a quick listing

[Victor]

Iran populace are not just Persians. There are millions of Azeris, Turkmens, there are minorities like Kurds, Armenians.