Gonzalo Lira passed away in Ukrainian captivity

[Jankec]

Does it even matter who's sorry about him or not? I thought that Ukraine is supposed to be a state with a rule of law and any criminal and crime (no matter how severe is it) get legal punishment, considering that there's no death penalty, it's a prison term.

I'm amazed again that people from enlightened Europe and especially the TA users who were supposed to have genuine liberal views (unlike me and my backward people) reject law for own "I'm sorry/not sorry" position based on what side the person represents. That's true hypocrisy because you reject own ideals which you pretend to sermon to barbarians like us.

So, the conclusion is that foreign civilian who "supports the enemy" during a war deserves not a legal trial and prison term, but to be beaten and left for few months without proper medical treatment which leads to death. Bad guys deserve to die because liberal humanists don't like what they do.

I just wonder if it happened in Russia with some pro Ukrainian activist, what would be the reaction of same people.

I gave my personal opinion, emotional reaction about this topic. I didn't consider legal aspects and this is something different. I don't pretend to be a saint or liberal humanist and everybody is biased in some extent. My liberal humanism is limited to idea that every nation and person should live peacefully in his own land and let the other nations and people to do the same.

[Ugo]

You should leave EEF clownery out of serious topics like this.

Victor has more EEF than Creoda.

Of course not. Any Eastern Slav has a much lower EEF than any Englishman. The overabundance of EEF suspiciously coincides with the atrocities of the colonialist regime.

[Ugo]

I don't see him mentioning EEF But yes, I don't like when instead of sorting the hyporcitic messages out on the shelves, it goes emotional.

These are not emotions. Think of Spain, Portugal, England, France. All of them have about 45-70% eef. Russians 30-40%. It's too obvious to keep quiet.

[Victor]

These are not emotions. Think of Spain, Portugal, England, France. All of them have about 45-70% eef. Russians 30-40%. It's too obvious to keep quiet.

I'm not very interested in it, especially in context of this thread.

[majevica]

These are not emotions. Think of Spain, Portugal, England, France. All of them have about 45-70% eef. Russians 30-40%. It's too obvious to keep quiet.

What is EEF? We are ANF, Anatolians.

[Victor]

So, more or less serious topic is derailed with ANF and EEF, congrats.

[Loki]

Threads merged.

[alnortedelsur]

I gave my personal opinion, emotional reaction about this topic. I didn't consider legal aspects and this is something different. I don't pretend to be a saint or liberal humanist and everybody is biased in some extent. My liberal humanism is limited to idea that every nation and person should live peacefully in his own land and let the other nations and people to do the same.

Tell that to US and their vassal allies

[gixajo]

He lived in Kharkov and had family there long before Maidan.

Even if it was not so, seems like is quite acceptable for Jehan that a non combatant dies in Ukrainian prison system after months of persecution. I mean, such things should be acceptable to me and other Russians, we are Orcs, you are enlightened European.

What exactly did he die from?

There are no "tens of thousands of civilians" dead in this war.

Surely not in Russia, and the war is not over.

[Victor]

Surely not in Russia, and the war is not over.

There are no "tens of thousands of civilians" in Ukraine dead in this war.