Tucker Carlson is interviewing Vladimir Putin

**~~Scarface F~~** · 02-09-2024, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Victor

You have lots of "Russian oriented" Ukrainians like "Srbin Crnogorac", so you can see an ethnic Russian from Kiev in Ukrainian army vs Ukrainian from Zaporozhie on Russian side. It's all mixed and more a question of self identity of exact person.

I have relatives who listed themselves as Ukrainians in 2000s but being totally pro Russian, Russian speaking and against Ukrainian nationalism. Back then it meant nothing and as Russki mentioned provoked more sentimental attitude, someone naming himself Ukrainian was some kind of regionalism when it was not Central and Western Ukraine.

A huge part of youth was indoctrinated down there tho, those born in middle of 2000s and raised after 2014, it was a period when lots of 20-30 years old people left the state and lots of old people stayed down there + kids who passed through active cultural, linguistic ukrainization through education system, not the families. They're indeed alientated from Russia but that's not our problem but consequences of exact projects,

Than why wage war? It would be much smarter to build Russia culturally and economically to a such degree rssophone east Ukrainians may feel part of it and want to join it on their own will. I agree there is big difference beween west and other Ukraine, but this war cemented Ukrainian identity for good most likely.

Not to mention incredible deographic damage done to both countries. This year Ukraine had lowest birth rate in the world and Russia excluding minorities is not much better.

How can any European patriot celebrate this? Meanwhile Russia turned towards China and futher orientalisation and Eurasianism.

**Victor** · 02-09-2024, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Scarface F

Than why wage war? It would be much smarter to build Russia culturally and economically to a such degree rssophone east Ukrainians may feel part of it and want to join it on their own will. I agree there is big difference beween west and other Ukraine, but this war cemented Ukrainian identity for good most likely.

Not to mention incredible deographic damage done to both countries. This year Ukraine had lowest birth rate in the world and Russia excluding minorities is not much better.

How can any European patriot celebrate this? Meanwhile Russia turned towards China and futher orientalisation and Eurasianism.

As I've mentioned, most of fiery patriots are either in war or dead. All those who don't accept Russia fled the territories in the very beginning. At the same time, lots of those who don't care much, already returned from EU and other countries to towns like Melitopol, because they don't have another home and they have no problem with living not in Ukraine, but Russia. This war eliminates those who would never accept being with Russia.

This war is the result of mistakes of 30 years of Soviet-like politics, all these Soviet minded games of "brother nations" and other bs, all of this could happen without blood in 90s and with much less blood in 2014, but you know, life and history is not a PC game, it's a chain of efforts, mistakes, wars which lead to different results, always been. Russia is killing everything Soviet minded in itself since 2014, all these idiotic "brother nation" narratives, even Sovetoids get disillusioned. You know, the most anti war part of Russian society (passive, but moaning) are usually Soviet men and women of 50+ years old who moan about "war of brother nations" "something like this would not happen in USSR" "Ko nas zavadi", while youth is very non-sentimental towards Ukraine. We must wipe off this from us, the parasitic "brother nation" narrative which allowed the national elites of ex-USSR to milk the Russia with allowance of Kremlin naive elders. There are much less of them now and new gens don't feel anything towards Ukraine. It's good that Russian operation of 24.2 which supposed a coup and installment of new leader failed, it would be just another wannabe pro-Russian parasite Ukraine in its Soviet borders, milking Russia under "pro Russian" demagogy until the next Maidan.

This war will finally complete the divorce of Russians and Ukrainians from the schizo Soviet dual identity and fake brotherhood.

**Victor** · 02-09-2024, 09:01 PM

As for Tucker's interview, as Russians we didn't hear anything new or sensational. I believe that Putin didn't have any intention to follow Republican narrative to "help defeat Biden", he just had a regular interview with him where he repeated same things all over again, he didn't have intention to expose someone or to voice sensationalism. This is the position of a person who does not care whether something changes in the attitude of the United States towards Russia or not, because he does not build a policy based on this. He didn't have a goal to please Carlson and turned it more into lecture on topics he prefers himself.

**Russki** · 02-09-2024, 09:07 PM

— Separation of Crimea and Donbass from Ukraine was carried on an ethnic basis (more Russians than Ukrainians).

— Historical remarks do not imply that Ukraine must be treated like a province of Russia.

— Ukrainian drafters are fighting for 1991 borders, not for what they can actually regard as their homeland.

There is a non-zero chance that if Putin doesn't survive another assassination attempt, the next president of Russia can be approving of Dresden-style bombardment of the industrial centers of Ukraine. Putin's sentimentality based on the old roots of Russia and Ukraine does imply a war in a soft mode where the lives of civilians are regarded highly. Dehumanization of the enemy which was typical in every war which Russia has fought before is totally forbidden from Putin's initiative. The current narrative in Russia is that the Ukrainian people are not responsible for the things which Russia considers wrong. It's supposedly a loud minority which imposed their will on the supposedly normal Ukrainians who would never allow their country to murder the civilians in Donbass. The smarter Russians put the blame directly on the Ukrainian people and not on the mythical loud minority of Nazis, Jews, American sellouts and so on. They of course don't get too extreme in their views because our people are not particularly hateful plus ethnic hatred in Russia equals 2 years in prison.

I hope that this was an interesting read and helpful for understanding that Putin's approach grounded on the shared history of our countries is not necessarily the worst option for the Ukrainian people.

**~~protos~~** · 02-09-2024, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by ~Elizabeth~

I received this via text message. tcnews.com/CJJ6KBJ

https://tuckercarlson.com/why-were-in-moscow/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/JeBTAbky2lEa/

Saw the first half of an interview, it seems mostly like monologue. Tucker was stuck asking the same questions at one point. I thought he would prepare it better.

Also, I figured out journalists in America (or maybe general population as a whole) knows almost nothing that's away from their own doorstep.

**Victor** · 02-09-2024, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Russki

— Separation of Crimea and Donbass from Ukraine was carried on an ethnic basis (more Russians than Ukrainians).

— Historical remarks do not imply that Ukraine must be treated like a province of Russia.

— Ukrainian drafters are fighting for 1991 borders, not for what they can actually regard as their homeland.

There is a non-zero chance that if Putin doesn't survive another assassination attempt, the next president of Russia can be approving of Dresden-style bombardment of the industrial centers of Ukraine. Putin's sentimentality based on the old roots of Russia and Ukraine does imply a war in a soft mode where the lives of civilians are regarded highly. Dehumanization of the enemy which was typical in every war which Russia has fought before is totally forbidden from Putin's initiative. The current narrative in Russia is that the Ukrainian people are not responsible for the things which Russia considers wrong. It's supposedly a loud minority which imposed their will on the supposedly normal Ukrainians who would never allow their country to murder the civilians in Donbass. The smarter Russians put the blame directly on the Ukrainian people and not on the mythical loud minority of Nazis, Jews, American sellouts and so on. They of course don't get too extreme in their views because our people are not particularly hateful plus ethnic hatred in Russia equals 2 years in prison.

I hope that this was an interesting read and helpful for understanding that Putin's approach grounded on the shared history of our countries is not necessarily the worst option for the Ukrainian people.

Well said.

**Cybele** · 02-09-2024, 09:16 PM

Regarding the lands which Hungary, Poland, Romania could claim from Ukraine, Tucker Carlson said at some point “[…] But many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the 20th century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones that you mentioned. But the fact is that you didn't make this case in public until two years ago, February.”

After dissolution of the USSR, independent Ukraine saw fit to keep them. But, why Russia/ Putin never mentioned the issue with these foreign lands being in Ukraine, until the war in 2022 broke out? Is this some kind of “bribery” ? You can take these lands back and shut up about us taking land back too?

**Ruggery** · 02-09-2024, 09:18 PM

Ukraine and Russia should stop the war, it is wasting soldiers and innocent people killing each other, at a time when the rate of Europeans is decreasing.

**dviz** · 02-09-2024, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Victor

Well said.

Dresden-style bombardment, my ass. Who's gonna do that? Medvedev? He poops his pants every time he tweets his nuclear ramblings. Rogozin? Any other buffoon?