Why do Slavs in the Balkans claim they are the original inhabitants ?

[Far_away]

Hi Albo, how is weather in Norway?

We are here in Balkans in last 1400 years, we mixed with locals, didn't genocided them, and we are here to stay forever.

Evo ga "Ilir" uziva hahahahhhaahhha

[protos]

Evo ga "Ilir" uziva hahahahhhaahhha

Toliko je željan pažnje mora da je kao dete želeo da bude mađioničar:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a-obmhclGPA

[ANurega]

Hey

Would you accept kosovo independence if albanian skeletons from 2-4 century are found in kosovo in the near future? Would it change the way you think about us?

We got countless Ancient DNA from Illyrians and Thracians and historical evidence that shows these people were originally some tribe that illegally crossed the border. I couldn't care less what they accept or not. Certainly doesn't matter who made the majority in what area at what x point in history considering especially these areas that have had all kinds of invasions, although the linguistic argument seems to suggest Albanian was spoken in the pre-Slavic period in Dardania. Anyway, It's not how most of these conflicts started. Albanians ended up as the majority there and practically liberated themselves from Ottoman rule and the Serbs came and illegally occupied Albanians. And that's it. I have opened up threads that also show their movements into Bosnia and Vojvodina. In Bosnia they settled as Ottoman mercenaries, many of these were Orthodox Vlachs/Romanians/Aromanians whom eventually came to identify as Serbs but also non-Vlach Serbs.

History, for the Serbs, started in the early 7th century, when they settled in the Balkans. Their power base was outside Kosovo, which they fully conquered in the early 13th, so the claim that Kosovo was the "cradle" of the Serbs is untrue.

What is true is that they ruled Kosovo for about 250 years, until the final Ottoman takeover in the mid-15th century. Churches and monasteries remain from that period, but there is no more continuity between the medieval Serbian state and today's Serbia than there is between the Byzantine Empire and Greece.

Kosovo remained Ottoman territory until it was conquered by Serbian forces in 1912. Serbs would say "liberated"; but even their own estimates put the Orthodox Serb population at less than 25%. The majority population was Albanian, and did not welcome Serb rule, so "conquered" seems the right word.

But legally, Kosovo was not incorporated into the Serbian kingdom in 1912; it remained occupied territory until some time after 1918. Then, finally, it was incorporated, not into a Serbian state, but into a Yugoslav one. And with one big interruption (the second world war) it remained part of some sort of Yugoslav state until June 2006.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20.../kosovo.serbia

[ANurega]

Many of the old population in Kosova was in fact also Islamised, if not most. It started with the towns the earliest. Here is one from Prishtina for the 16th century which had already been significantly Islamised but also contained still Christians, it was filled with Muslim names, and Islamised Albanian names, here are just some of the Muslim names, these are heads of households listed, keep that in mind:

Spoiler!

Based on the evidence I have seen majority of these Muslims were Albanians. By the 17th century the entire town had already been Islamised. And none of these Muslims are listed as new arrivals such as 'doshlac' or 'prishlic' which is what households new to an area would be listed as. Same thing for Prizren, Vushtrri, Peja and other towns.

Peja was entirely Islamised in the 16th century (80%-90%) and they were Albanians.

[ANurega]

Of course these Illyrian-Thracian wannabe Serbs and other Slavs are laughable. Their Balkan input mainly comes from some Romanians/Aromanians/Albanians . They speak a Slavic language, are dominated by Slavic Y-DNA , have significant Slavic autosomal DNA, but they want to be Illyrian. Please enlighten us, what exactly do the Serbs have to do with Illyrians or the Dardani , an Iron age tribe from modern Kosova ?

[Far_away]

Toliko je željan pažnje mora da je kao dete želeo da bude mađioničar:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a-obmhclGPA

Usamljen je. Nema ni jednog prijatelja, nema curu, nista, pa pise ovde gluposti po ceo dan jedno te isto. Odgovorim mu nekad tako samo da mu ispunim dan da se ne bi obesio.

[ANurega]

In this video, in Albanian, he talks about the demographic decline that occurred in the Balkans during the fall of the Roman Empire etc . and the recovery and demographic growth and population bottle neck after that from a small population, this is why many lineages in the Balkan died out , some survived and had higher reproduction rate. I believe this allowed the Slavs to settle in the Balkans, weakening the empires defense. Unlike the fairytale you are telling. How did the Slavs get into the Balkans ? You don't just walk into someones country that is densley populated. Many regions in the Balkans experienced this kind of catastrophe and decline for sure due to pandemics, wars, or natural disasters.

[DarkoV]

There was not even a peaceful arrival of the Slavs into vacant spaces. How do you explain that men in the Balkans mostly have Slavic Y-chromosomal haplogroups, while their autosomal results show much more admixture from the indigenous population? This implies that men were killed, while women were spared...

[Scarface F]

There was not even a peaceful arrival of the Slavs into vacant spaces. How do you explain that men in the Balkans mostly have Slavic Y-chromosomal haplogroups, while their autosomal results show much more admixture from the indigenous population? This implies that men were killed, while women were spared...

Our autosomal Slavic percentage corresponds well with amount of Slavic YDNA.

[DarkoV]

I wouldn't say so. But perhaps you are right.