Phenotypically were Anglo-Saxons closer to the Irish than to the English?

[Septentrion]

I see quite a lot of English that can pass as Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, someone like Adam Henson would be an example of a Tronder and i have seen similar looks in Norwegians.

I can agree with you on that. In my visit to Denmark in 2009 (Rokskilde and Odense), I saw that quite a few Danes look like the English, but blonder-haired. Or rather there are many English who look like them.

[Creoda]

[Oliver109]

Not as blonde as i expected, actually look quite similar to native Londoners the 60 year old looks like pretty much every taxi driver in London lol, some are very corded influenced too.

[Septentrion]

Not as blonde as i expected, actually look quite similar to native Londoners the 60 year old looks like pretty much every taxi driver in London lol, some are very corded influenced too.

How blond did you think they were? The average hair color among the North Dutch, Frisian included is a light brown. Many people imagine things. There isn’t much of a difference in terms of hair and eye color between the Dutch, English and Germans. People tend to exaggerate those differences on these threads in particular. All of these people are slightly fairer-haired as a whole than Belgians as far as I know. Friesland the province is lighter-haired than England as a whole. However there are English counties who are just as fair. Remember, Northwestern Europeans are closely related.

[Oliver109]

How blond did you think they were? The average hair color among the North Dutch, Frisian included is a light brown. Many people imagine things. There isn’t much of a difference in terms of hair and eye color between the Dutch, English and Germans. People tend to exaggerate those differences on these threads in particular. All of these people are slightly fairer-haired as a whole than Belgians as far as I know. Friesland the province is lighter-haired than England as a whole. However there are English counties who are just as fair. Remember, Northwestern Europeans are closely related.

The English have more med and alpine types, i don't really see that in this set, i expected some super blonde Boris Johnson types but there aren't many more than in the UK.

[Septentrion]

The English have more med and alpine types, i don't really see that in this set, i expected some super blonde Boris Johnson types but there aren't many more than in the UK.

I would say that the English have more North Atlantid and Paleo Atlantid types not Mediterranean than the Dutch. The English don't have more Alpinid types than the Dutch by any means as they already have a lower cephalic index mean. There are actually more Alpinid types in the Low Countries than in England and the rest of the British Isles as a whole. To remind you again that the Alpine is a hyper-brachycephalic type. This is definitely not typical of the English people. The most common blonde shade in the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium is a dark blonde. There is an abundance of this hair colour amongst the Dutch and Germans (especially northern ones). The very blonde type as that one of Boris Johnson or Will Hughes are more of a Scandinavian cast.

[Oliver109]

I would say that the English have more North Atlantid and Paleo Atlantid types not Mediterranean than the Dutch. The English don't have more Alpinid types than the Dutch by any means as they already have a lower cephalic index mean. There are actually more Alpinid types in the Low Countries than in England and the rest of the British Isles as a whole. To remind you again that the Alpine is a hyper-brachycephalic type. This is definitely not typical of the English people. The most common blonde shade in the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium is a dark blonde. There is abundance of this hair colour amongst the Dutch and Germans (especially northern ones). The very blonde type as that one of Boris Johnson or Will Hughes are more of a Scandinavian cast.

Some parts of England can have very blonde people in fairly frequent numbers, it isn't as rare as some make out tbh. Alpine types look really rare in this Friesland set, i saw a lot more when i was in Brussels.

[Septentrion]

Some parts of England can have very blonde people in fairly frequent numbers, it isn't as rare as some make out tbh. Alpine types look really rare in this Friesland set, i saw a lot more when i was in Brussels.

Well, this is what I've been saying all along. Many folks on the thread wanted to make England look like Italy or Spain next to the Netherlands. Which is a bunch of nonsense. Yes, I do agree that Alpinids aren't common in Friesland or Groningen, there you'd have more Borreby or Dalofaelid - like people in the place of the Alpine. We in Belgium are located in more southerly area than the Netherlands and bordering Luxembourg and France where Alpines are pretty common.

[Creoda]

Not as blonde as i expected, actually look quite similar to native Londoners the 60 year old looks like pretty much every taxi driver in London lol, some are very corded influenced too.

They are fairly distinct from the English like all Dutch, but you can certainly see the relatedness in many of them, and in those common looks you can see exactly what the early Anglo-Saxons looked like.

I only just realised from watching that video that the number order in English was the same as Frisian until the 1500s, and the old order must have survived in common usage until as late as the 1700s or 1800s, e.g. four and twenty blackbirds.

[Oliver109]

They are fairly distinct from the English like all Dutch, but you can certainly see the relatedness in many of them, and in those common looks you can see exactly what the early Anglo-Saxons looked like.

I only just realised from watching that video that the number order in English was the same as Frisian until the 1500s, and the old order must have survived in common usage until as late as the 1700s or 1800s, e.g. four and twenty blackbirds.

Interesting, genetically i think Bell Beakers came from there right?