Would you say that it is much harder for many Irish and British people to pass in southern France?

[Oliver109]

I have noticed that many Brits and Irish look quite atypical in southern France, people in the south of France are not really pale and have facial features that are distinctly different, UP types are infrequent in occurence and very blonde or red hair is especially rare.

[PlattitüdenPaule]

Most Germans dont pass in Southern France either so go figure. Was a few times there (not even the far South but Rhone Alpes region) and people wise I felt more like I was in Italy.

[Oliver109]

Most Germans dont pass in Southern France either so go figure. Was a few times there (not even the far South but Rhone Alpes region) and people wise I felt more like I was in Italy.

Yeah, especially if they are from north Germany and especially NW Germany, massive heads, big features and quite pale, the even fairer Dutch would often look atypical even somewhere like Lille.

[PlattitüdenPaule]

Ok counting out Northern Germans who already are outliers in their own country. (NWs often looking Dutch or Scando and NEs oftentimes already having Slavic features) But I'm talking Central and Southern Germans here. Even in Bavaria I hardly found people looking as Southern as Southern French often do.
Interestingly from Paris upwards theres a somewhat sharp divide with people looking majorily Northern European.

[Oliver109]

Ok counting out Northern Germans who already are outliers in their own country. (NWs often looking Dutch or Scando and NEs oftentimes already having Slavic features) But I'm talking Central and Southern Germans here. Even in Bavaria I hardly found people looking as Southern as Southern French often do.
Interestingly from Paris upwards theres a somewhat sharp divide with people looking majorily Northern European.

Yeah even Bavaria has much more Nordid and CM input than southern France, while blonde people are pretty common in south France it is usually a darker shade of blonde, i have looked at images of Germans from across the country and everywhere you can find quite blonde people frequently.

[Septentrion]

I have noticed that many Brits and Irish look quite atypical in southern France, people in the south of France are not really pale and have facial features that are distinctly different, UP types are infrequent in occurence and very blonde or red hair is especially rare.

Obviously. The British and Irish are pale as heck. Only a few could even get a proper tan and among those many use fake tans. Most just turn brick - red and it's not their fault. While Southern French people have beautiful Mediterranean skin tones. Facial features of the British and Irish are either very Nordid or very Cromagnid in contrast with the Southern French have delicate Mediterranean with strong Alpine flair. I don't know why you would expect pure blonde hair to be frequent so far south, it isn't.

[Septentrion]

Yeah even Bavaria has much more Nordid and CM input than southern France, while blonde people are pretty common in south France it is usually a darker shade of blonde, i have looked at images of Germans from across the country and everywhere you can find quite blonde people frequently.

Definitely Bavaria is blonder-haired than Southern France. It also lay more north in latitude. Bavaria lays at 48.7 degrees North while Southern France is around 45 degrees North. So don't be surprised. In Bavaria as a whole 30% are blond-haired (various shades). Although Bavaria isn't the least blond part of Germany either. I wouldn't say that there are more Nordids, rather more Borreby or Dalofaelid individuals. These CM types have a good frequency of blondness. This is why Germans as a whole are a blonde or light - haired population.

[Septentrion]

Yeah even Bavaria has much more Nordid and CM input than southern France, while blonde people are pretty common in south France it is usually a darker shade of blonde, i have looked at images of Germans from across the country and everywhere you can find quite blonde people frequently.

The difference between the Brits, Irish and French is greater than between Germans and French, as it is not primarily based on hair colour. British especially the Irish are more different even when they have darker hair. This to me makes sense as France and Germany share land border, thus there has been much more movement between the two. Germans have a high number of Subnordids (Alpine+Nordid), Alpines and so does France. Thus the difference here are cut short. Germany does not have a rich Mediterranean strain as France and this is where the difference lies between the two.

[Septentrion]

I have noticed that many Brits and Irish look quite atypical in southern France, people in the south of France are not really pale and have facial features that are distinctly different, UP types are infrequent in occurence and very blonde or red hair is especially rare.

Southern France is darker-haired and darker-eyed, but still not quite as brunet as some areas of Spain, Portugal, Italy, Albania, Bulgaria and Greece. The Alpine strain sort of attenuates the swarthy attributes of the Mediterranean race there.

[Septentrion]

Ok counting out Northern Germans who already are outliers in their own country. (NWs often looking Dutch or Scando and NEs oftentimes already having Slavic features) But I'm talking Central and Southern Germans here. Even in Bavaria I hardly found people looking as Southern as Southern French often do.
Interestingly from Paris upwards theres a somewhat sharp divide with people looking majorily Northern European.

No, it’s because not many Germans are good-looking anyway. Some North - East Germans could pass more for Poles than anything.