Britain's Future Lies With America, Not Europe

[Occident]

Francisco, spot on. Of course, if we are talking about the creation of a single government through democratic means in accordance with popular will and the constitutions of our respective nations, then we should certainly we can ultimately have a single currency. What I am not interested in is the EU model of backdoor unification without concent.

[Occident]

There's also very little to be gained in taking an aggressive, hostile posture toward the US for rather, erm, obvious reasons. It frankly amazes me how all of the unthinking anti-American fanatics think they can routinely snub us and not have consequences. I think they only do this because at bottom they recognize that we're not as evil as claimed, and won't respond to constant insult the way earlier powers would have. Even so, fascist and Marxist forms of anti-Americanism are dangerous, and have done great damage to our civilization already. Hopefully the afflicted will wake up or remain marginalized.

Marxism and fascism correlate with anti-Americanism precisely because America is the modern, if inperfect, center of Capitalist ideology. Despite the Demographic assault on America and the increasing centralisation of its financial system America is still the world's best hope for freedom.

[Treffie]

Actually the average Englishman does view America as an ally, your average Brit isn't some ape shit kook like you. You are fringe in your country and thankfully for it, very few have such strange conspiratorial views towards America like you do.

I doubt that Troll's views are unusual for Britain

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Back in 1999, 83 per cent of British people surveyed by the State Department Office of Research said that they had a favourable opinion of the United States. But by 2006, according to the Pew Global Attitudes Project, that proportion had fallen to 56 per cent. British respondents to the Pew surveys now give higher favourability ratings to Germany (75 per cent) and Japan (69 per cent) than to the United States - a remarkable transformation in attitudes, given the notorious British tendency to look back both nostalgically and unforgivingly to the Second World War.

Taken from here.

Savant
Actually we're about as white as England after you account for the black slave descendants which British and Europeans brought to our country to try to sabotage our future. We're about 67% white, while England is only 80% white. We have 13% blacks who are slave descendants. So if you remove the portion of slave descendants which European powers bitterly tried to sabotage our nation with we're actually EXACTLY as white as Britain. Of course, we aren't putting anyone in jail and stealing their children for "hate speech", like say...

Massaging figures again, I see

England is 87.5% white.
Scotland is 98.19% white.
Wales is 97.8% white.
N Ireland is 99.15% white.

UK as a whole is 90.95% white (last census).

Edit. New figures show that 61% of Brits have a favourable attitude towards the US. The French and Germans seem to have a higher figure.

Link

[Joe McCarthy]

I doubt that Troll's views are unusual for Britain

Occident said it best: most Britons are not fascists. The numbers you've shown from 1999-2006 can be summed up in one word: Iraq, and that's a sort of left-leaning, or non-ideological lukewarm sentiment, not the hardcore fanaticism of the extreme right or left. Beyond that, America's rating declined most everywhere after Iraq, not Just Britain, though it is troubling that people would turn on their ally to any degree over something that had so little real effect on them.

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[Treffie]

Occident said it best: most Britons are not fascists. The numbers you've shown from 1999-2006 can be summed up in one word: Iraq, and that's a sort of left-leaning, or non-ideological lukewarm sentiment, not the hardcore fanaticism of the extreme right or left. Beyond that, America's rating declined most everywhere after Iraq, not Just Britain, though it is troubling that people would turn on their ally to any degree over something that had so little real effect on them.

It doesn't matter. Only 61% of Brits have a favourable opinion towards the US (2011), which I posted in my edited post above.

[Occident]

We can all play that game Treffie. Heres some other 2011 opinion statistics from the German Marshal Fund on "Transatlantic Trends", comparing attitudes to American leadership and America itself (at bottom of article linked below)

http://www.economist.com/blogs/bageh...in-and-america

Support of strong American leadership in world affairs
UK 66%

Favorable Opinion of the US
UK 78%

War neccesary to obtain peace
UK 64%

All higher than any other nation polled except for the US itself.

But funnily enough when asked if we like Obama's approach to foreign policy, while the UK still scores highly, other European nations suddenly shoot up th rankings to equal or othertake Britain. Funny how the continentles despise American leadership but seem to love The Negro

[Joe McCarthy]

It doesn't matter. Only 61% of Brits have a favourable opinion towards the US (2011), which I posted in my edited post above.

But it does matter. Troll's views are not reflective of even those who have an unfavorable view. She's an ardent anti-American. Theirs is casual and prone to improve. The perception of the US has improved since 2006 anyway. That was the low ebb during Iraq.

[Treffie]

We can all play that game Treffie. Heres some other 2011 opinion statistics from the German Marshal Fund on "Transatlantic Trends", comparing attitudes to American leadership and America itself (at bottom of article linked below)

What game? I'm hardly a hard-edged anti-American I guess figures differ from one survey to another.

Jojo
But it does matter. Troll's views are not reflective of even those who have an unfavorable view. She's an ardent anti-American. Theirs is casual and prone to improve. The perception of the US has improved since 2006 anyway. That was the low ebb during Iraq

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Joe, I'm not debating Troll's opinions. I was discussing with Savant that he stated that;

You are fringe in your country

Being on the fringe implies that there is a tiny minority that are anti-American, when in reality there are between 22-39% (depending on the survey) who do not view the US favourably.

[Occident]

I was reffering to the statistics game; you wanted to demonstrate that a surprisingly small number of Britons have a favorable view of America, I demonstrated that statistics can be found that show otherwise.

I understood that the fringe in question here is not the anti-american fringe but rather the fascist fringe, which is indeed very small and thus not representative of the average Briton. There are certainly more anti-Americans in Britain than there are fascists, but fascist fantasies that a majority of Britons are anti-American, and that America has become an essentially non-white society, are unfounded.