Are modern Greeks really related to ancient Greeks?

[Onur]

I have 2 HUGE volumes of the Albanian history in my shelf, published in TIrana 1976,

Nice... I am sure it`s like a holy bible; "History of Illyrians written by Enver Hodja and his comrades"

it CLEARLY states how several Slavic Tribes settled in middle Albania during the 6th and 7th Century, also many Albanians in Montenegro have been consumed by the Serbian population thus assimilated but in the end terms such as Albanian, Greek, Serb are social constructs,

6-7th century is long time ago, even Bulgars were speaking Turkic back then. I was talking about the 19-20th century Albanians of Greece but you turn back to 6th century and say that we all are mixed !!!

it is a fact that Greeks cluster closely with the other nations surrounding them that most probably were hellens or were influenced by hellens, it is a fact that Greeks racially are a Balkan bunch so what more do we need ???

You say yourself that Greeks are just another bunch of Balkanites. So, where is your 90% ancient hellenes then? how come they become direct descendants of ancient hellenes if they are bunch of Balkanites? If they are hellenes, then other bunch of Balkanites like Bulgarians, Albanians, Serbians are ancient hellenes too.

[Kanuni]

Arvanites didn't make any huge impact on Greek genepoole.It is very silly to say so.Anyway even if they did so what?They are close to Greeks genetic wise.The only think they could have introduced is slightly more Northern European component.Onur's babbling against Greeks and Albanians is because he is a FYROMANIAN who adopted Turkish identity and holds inferiority complexes/hates both Albanians and Greeks.That is why he tries and push himself so hard to troll Greeks and writes anti-Albanian comments.

[Panopticon]

Social constructs weren't based on genetics and therefore genetics shouldn't be a criteria for whether one social construct is the continuation of another social construct. Genetics plays a small role as it only helps to emphasize on whether a people are largely native or not, and that it shows ancestry, admixture, etc.

That there would be foreign admixture is inevitable, but it doesn't change much as the base is still largely the same as it was before. That foreign blood was eventually absorbed anyway, so it has been "watered down".

You can't say that x doesn't descend from y because z influenced x. There were migrations of non-Hellenes into Greece, but it doesn't matter. If it doesn't change the language, culture, etc. that the social construction was based then there is a continuation.

The language, culture, etc. of modern Greeks is a continuation of the language, culture, etc. of the ancient Greeks. And therefore modern Greeks are the descendants of the ancient Greeks, with or without x% foreign admixture.

I think national bias should be kept out of this.

[Sturmgewehr]

Nice... I am sure it`s like a holy bible; "History of Illyrians written by Enver Hodja and his comrades"

Nice try, you are still not funny, it is actually called THE ALBANIAN HISTORY, it talks a lot about Illyrians since we descend from Illyrians and Thracians and this is a well known fact.

6-7th century is long time ago, even Bulgars were speaking Turkic back then.

Like I give a shit, who the fuck mentioned Bulgars?

I was talking about the 19-20th century Albanians of Greece but you turn back to 6th century and say that we all are mixed !!!

Albanians have as well played a HUGE role maintaining and administering the Ottoman empire, there have been more than 40 Albanian Grand Viziers in the Ottoman empire, some 30 something Serbian Grand Viziers and many Greek ones, so tell me now how did it happen that you came out Turkish ????

How can Turks be Turks when Balkan people have had such a VITAL and significant impact in the ottoman empire and in many other aspects of your semi-real identity ???

Turning back to the 6th Century is a valid argument, Albanians did contribute to the formation of Modern Greece but then so what??? as I said before terms such as GREEK, ALBANIAN, BULGARIAN are socio-Cultural constructs not genetic or racial terms, get it in ur head.

You say yourself that Greeks are just another bunch of Balkanites. So, where is your 90% ancient hellenes then?

As I said Ancient Hellens are modern Greeks, even during antiquity Hellens were not a pure genetic or racial group, there were many Hellenized Anatolians, Illyrians and so on, one population had impact on the other one and so on and forth so I don't see what u trying to say, it is not like Ancient Greeks were pure or whatever.

19th Century Albanians got Hellenized and that is it, they are hellens, end of story.

how come they become direct descendants of ancient hellenes if they are bunch of Balkanites?

They inherited the LANGUAGE, CULTURE, SCRIPTURE, BLOOD AND RACE of the Ancient Hellens, as simple as that.

What did u think ????

If they are hellenes, then other bunch of Balkanites like Bulgarians, Albanians, Serbians are ancient hellenes too.

You are straw manning me, you are totally taking me out of context.

I don't buy it.

p.s: Prengs u can find ur own reply here.

[Prengs]

Even ancient greeks were very mixed (like other ancient peoples), without mentioning that 1/3 of the population in Greece were Slaves that come from all non-greek tribes, the same situation was in other developed empires.

[Γέλως]

Yes but these people were less than 1% of Turkey...

Circassians, Georgians, Laz, Chechens, Kurds, Serbs, Bosniaks, Albanians, Pomaks, Armenians, Hamshenis, Gorani, Greeks, Turkmens, Azeris, Tatars, Karachays, Karakalpaks, Uzbeks, Crimean Tatars, Uyghurs, Arabs, Assyrians, Jews and Romas make only 1% of Turkish Population.

[Onur]

Circassians, Georgians, Laz, Chechens, Kurds, Serbs, Bosniaks, Albanians, Pomaks, Armenians, Hamshenis, Gorani, Greeks, Turkmens, Azeris, Tatars, Karachays, Karakalpaks, Uzbeks, Crimean Tatars, Uyghurs, Arabs, Assyrians, Jews and Romas make only 1% of Turkish Population.

Your response is irrelevant because we never claimed to be the direct descendants of 11th century Turks.

This is what Greeks claims for themselves and while your situation is no different than ours, you still claim to be the direct descendants of ancient hellenes.

So, if i say;
Vlachs, Arvanites (Albanians), Gagauzs, Karamanlis, Urum Tatars, Gypsies, Turks, Laz, Georgians, Macedonian slavs, Armenians, Jews, Levantines, Bulgarians....

You respond "NO" unlike me.

[Γέλως]

Your response is irrelevant because we never claimed to be the direct descendants of 11th century Turks.

I quoted you, and you said "these people were less than 1% of Turkey..."

So, if i say;
Vlachs, Arvanites (Albanians), Gagauzs, Karamanlis, Urum Tatars, Gypsies, Turks, Laz, Georgians, Macedonian slavs, Armenians, Jews, Levantines, Bulgarians....

You respond "NO" unlike me.

I would say yes to certain of the aforementioned groups, but some are way off and put there merely as an attempt to smirch our ancestry.

[Pecheneg]

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[Queen B]

lol, you say this by being an Albanian?

I think you would be better to join your so-called "Arvanite" brothers and consider yourself as "hellenes of Epirus"

I am sure modern Greece wouldn't mind adding another Albanian to join their pseudo-hellenic ranks. Too bad for you but you still didn't loose your chance because i heard that recent Albanian immigrants in Greece also trying to hellenize themselves so badly

You have just exposed your mindset.Him being an Albanian doesn't neccessary mean he should blind himself and say nonsesical things like you do.

Since when being Albanian means that he must be following your stupid mindset?
Not all people are born and raised with hate, and have been brainwashed with propaganda.

It is a bit exaggerated.

You know how a big role played Arvanites and Vlach during XII-XIX century in modern Greece and today all of them are assimilated.

If by assimilated you mean that they feel Greeks, yes, this is true, but Arvanites and Vlachs are not blind about their origin, neither they claim that Socrates is their forefather.

You say yourself that Greeks are just another bunch of Balkanites. So, where is your 90% ancient hellenes then? how come they become direct descendants of ancient hellenes if they are bunch of Balkanites? If they are hellenes, then other bunch of Balkanites like Bulgarians, Albanians, Serbians are ancient hellenes too.

Balkan -> Geographical region
Balkan =/= Greek <- stupidity