Moors, Arabs, Persian, Ottoman who conquered part Europe? should they be considered white invaders?

[ButlerKing]

Okay let's not deny this, this is real history. People from North Africa and Middle east did ruled and raided parts of europe for more than 1000 years although we also did the same to Middle easterners. Roman empire, Greek empire, modern European empires have conquered and ruled Middle eastern people for 1000 years too.


Now obviously calling them European is out of the question since they are culturally muslim, and have mostly west Asian DNA and small admixture of other races but what about considering them as white invaders or is it better to call them Caucasian/Middle eastern invaders? I would do the same with Scythians since they are basically Caucasoid with small mongoloid admixture who ruled parts of Europe, however other Central Asians Mongoloid like Mongols, Kazakhs, Nogais, Avars, Gokturks, Timurids who conquered and raided europe for 700 years (and possibly the huns ) are out of the question since they are non-white and non-caucasian but rather Mongoloid or Mixed. In additition to their massive mongoloid DNA their caucasoid components are mixture of predominately West Asian Iranic + some North European.


Make up your mind. Should we consider these groups as part of White or non-White rule?


Arab empire. Arabs are basically a Caucasoid Southwest Asian race with only 3-9% Negroid admixture on average




Ottoman empire. Turkish are basically a mixture of West Asian, European with small 5-21% Mongoloid admixture depending on the individual.


Persian empire. They are basically the aryans of middle east but their genetics are like Iranic different to europeans.


Moorish empire. They are berbers, Arabs, Black africans. But Berbers and Arabs were the leaders while Black africans were either mostly soldiers and slaves to them.

[Anglojew]

Yes

[ButlerKing]

Yes

I consider them white too and I know many who do but many who had debated with don't see it this way. Many would still call them sandniggers, terrorists or Arabs as a whole. Even today there are many yahoo questions, forumers that are asking or question whether Arabs, Turkish, Moroccans, Persians are white or not.

[ButlerKing]

For those of you claim these groups are White.

If you consider them white than you must absolutely consider Armenians as white because not only do they live in Europe but have much higher European admixture than most of these groups. but last time I talked, most of the members here deny Armenians as part of the white race. So that destroys your argument about Armenian not being white..... completely destroyed.

[Gaijin]

Moorish empire...

↑ This map is not the Moorish empire, it's the Reconquista (The expulsion and annihilation of the Moors).

Moorish empire. They are berbers, Arabs, Black africans. But Berbers and Arabs were the leaders while Black africans were either mostly soldiers and slaves to them.

The Moors were Berbers who spoke Arabic and preached an Arab religion (Islam), after the Arabs.

With the arrival of the Arabs to North Africa, they formed a small army of Berbers (North Africans) who crossed the strait of Gibraltar eventually settling in Granada, Spain. From there, they started converting local Southeast-Iberians (Andalusians) to Islam.

This is how a Moor looked like:


This is how a modern day Moor would look like:

[ButlerKing]

Zidane can easily pass as a Southern European.

But most morrocans look like middle easterners although many have a south european look too, I'm sure it's because of european slaves.

[DarkSecret]

As I can see many people think that white means 99% whiteness or blonde and blue eye or Christianity. If it is true scientifically they are not white but if it is not yes they are white.

[Maximum Speed]

Sardinia has never had the Arab domination

[ButlerKing]

When people say White, they usually mean people who look European but I can also accept ancient Central Asians as white and those middle easterners who look European as white same with the people from the Caucasus, most of them look white.

However it's hard convincing North African and middle eastern as white when most look like this. Also with all the stereotypes of muslims being terrorist, or name calling the middle easterners as being sand-nigger further contributes to their non-white identify.

[Gaijin]

Zidane can easily pass as a Southern European.

But most morrocans look like middle easterners although many have a south european look too, I'm sure if it's because of european slaves.

Perhaps that's because what Moroccans are, Middle Easterners.

Berbers and Moroccans are two different people. Berbers =/= Moroccans
Moroccans are the people of Morocco. Berbers are an ethnic group of people who happens to live in Morocco and Algeria.

Spoiler!

This people would fit no way near Southern Europe. Unless, as immigrants.