Why do Jewish members think ancient Jews were white?

**ariel** · 09-19-2013, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by daedal1

That study uses original samples of lebanese, NOT CYPRIOTS, TUSCANS, etc. Both studies use the same sources for data regarding cypriots, etc. All this study shows is that lebanese christians are intermediate BETWEEN cypriots and druze, while lebanese/syrian muslims are between druze and bedouins. If you segregated the lebanese cluster into lebanese christians and muslims, cypriots would still place the EXACT same as they do on the map. You do realize that the study you constantly reference doesn't use ANY original data on palestinians, bedouins, etc. right? It's all based on the SAME HGDP data.

In this study we analyze more than 500,000 genome-wide SNPs in 1,341 new samples from the Levant and compare them to samples from 48 populations worldwide

all Jews (Sephardi and Ashkenazi) cluster in one branch; Druze from Mount Lebanon and Druze from Mount Carmel are depicted on a private branch; and Lebanese Christians form a private branch with the Christian populations of Armenia and Cyprus placing the Lebanese Muslims as an outer group. The predominantly Muslim populations of Syrians, Palestinians and Jordanians cluster on branches with other Muslim populations as distant as Morocco and Yemen

**daedal1** · 09-19-2013, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by ariel

In this study we analyze more than 500,000 genome-wide SNPs in 1,341 new samples from the Levant and compare them to samples from 48 populations worldwide

Those are LEBANESE samples from their original LEBANESE data, NOT palestinians or anything else. They use HGDP data for palestinians, etc, which is the same as the map.

**ariel** · 09-19-2013, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by daedal1

Cypriots are mixed with arabs and egyptians? Now this is hilarious. You are clearly 100% trolling here. Where did the arab/egyptian blood in cypriots come from? Cypriots are even closer to europeans (and therefore have less arab blood) than lebanese christians are according to that study. Cyprus was never even arabized, it was hellenized, unlike alawis who identify as 'arabs' and always have.

LOL

Cyprus was ruled by Assyria for a century starting in 708 BC, before a brief spell under Egyptian rule and eventually Persian rule in 545 BC.[42] The Cypriots, led by Onesilus, king of Salamis, joined their fellow Greeks in the Ionian cities during the unsuccessful Ionian Revolt in 499 BC against the Achaemenid Empire. The revolt was suppressed, but Cyprus managed to maintain a high degree of autonomy and remained oriented towards the Greek world.[42]

The island was conquered by Alexander the Great in 333 BC. Following his death and the subsequent division of his empire between his successors, Cyprus became part of the Hellenistic empire of Ptolemaic Egypt. It was during this period that the island was fully Hellenized. In 58 BC Cyprus was annexed by the Roman Republic.[42]

When the Roman Empire was divided into Eastern and Western parts in 395, Cyprus became part of the East Roman, or Byzantine Empire, and would remain part of it until the Crusades some 800 years later. Under Byzantine rule, the Greek orientation that had been prominent since antiquity developed the strong Hellenistic-Christian character that continues to be a hallmark of the Greek Cypriot community.[42]

Beginning in 649, Cyprus suffered from devastating raids launched by Arab armies from the Levant, which continued for the next 300 years.[42] Many were quick piratical raids, but others were large-scale attacks in which many Cypriots were slaughtered and great wealth carried off or destroyed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

btw arabized mean nothing, language have nothing to do with genetic

**ariel** · 09-19-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by daedal1

Those are LEBANESE samples from their original LEBANESE data, NOT palestinians or anything else. They use HGDP data for palestinians, etc, which is the same as the map.

1,341 new samples from the Levant

they tested also ashkenazi and sephardic jews

**ariel** · 09-19-2013, 05:35 PM

do you said cypriots not have arab admix?

ADMIXTURE identifies at K = 10 an ancestral component (light green) with a geographically restricted distribution representing ~50% of the individual component in Ethiopians, Yemenis, Saudis, and Bedouins, decreasing towards the Levant, with higher frequency (~25%) in Syrians, Jordanians, and Palestinians, compared with other Levantines (4%–20%). The geographical distribution pattern of this component (Figure 4A, 4B) correlates with the pattern of the Islamic expansion, but its presence in Lebanese Christians, Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews, Cypriots and Armenians might suggest that its spread to the Levant could also represent an earlier event

**daedal1** · 09-19-2013, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by ariel

1,341 new samples from the Levant

they tested also ashkenazi and sephardic jews

And Lebanon/Syria was sacked by arabs even harder, so? The Syrian Alawis even claim to be descendants of an arab tribe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalbiyya

They didn't test cypriots, palestinians, etc.

"In this study we analyze newly-generated genome-wide data from Lebanon IN ADDITION to individuals from 48 published global populations [7], [9]. "

The Jewish Samples come from Behar's study:

Behar DM, Yunusbayev B, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, et al. (2010) The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people. Nature 466: 238–242. doi:

And the other samples are based on HGDP data:

Li JZ, Absher DM, Tang H, Southwick AM, Casto AM, et al. (2008) Worldwide human relationships inferred from genome-wide patterns of variation. Science 319: doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.10013731100–1104.

**ariel** · 09-19-2013, 05:41 PM

were selected through a stratified random sampling taking into consideration the distribution of the religious groups in Lebanon and merged with 994 samples from literature representing 48 populations