Debate on Magyar-Turkic-Trojan-Etruscan connections

**Géza** · 01-18-2013, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by evon

But that didnt answer my initial question to your post;

Oh, why???

**evon** · 01-18-2013, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Géza

Oh, why???

You said there was a link between Hungarians and Ottoman Turks, so i asked which link, but you never replied to that question...

**Géza** · 01-19-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by evon

You said there was a link between Hungarians and Ottoman Turks, so i asked which link, but you never replied to that question...

The link is the same Turkish root from Central-Asia. The (one of the) ancestors of nowadays Ottoman Turks was the Seljuk Turks. The Seljuks came from Central-Asia (Turan) 1kya. We Hungarians assimilate many Turkish ethnic groups. They came from Central-Asia (Turan) at different times.

**evon** · 01-19-2013, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Géza

The link is the same Turkish root from Central-Asia. The (one of the) ancestors of nowadays Ottoman Turks was the Seljuk Turks. The Seljuks came from Central-Asia (Turan) 1kya. We Hungarians assimilate many Turkish ethnic groups. They came from Central-Asia (Turan) at different times.

OK, thanks for your answer..

**Onur** · 01-20-2013, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by evon

OK, thanks for your answer..

I would like add few more things.

Evon, we already had our own culture, identity, rich language and history even before we migrated into Anatolia 1000 years ago. Our Turkish identity didn't get created in Anatolia but we only developed it further here.

Turks ruled in Hungary for about 150 years `till 1700s but that wasn't our first contact with them.

**evon** · 01-20-2013, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Onur

I would like add few more things.

Evon, we already had our own culture, identity, rich language and history even before we migrated into Anatolia 1000 years ago. Our Turkish identity didn't get created in Anatolia but we only developed it further here.

Turks ruled in Hungary for about 150 years `till 1700s but that wasn't our first contact with them.

I think there is a miscommunication here among me Geza and you now it seems.

Firstly i dont see Hungarians as Turks, but as central Europeans speaking a Uralic based language, the Huns whom traversed the region for some 100 years or so, are unknown to us in terms of ethnic identity and spoken language, scholars are divided on this issue due to a lack of evidence.

The link Hungarians have to Central Asia is the same as Romanians have (Probably also Bulgarians and Ukrainians among others), which is probably a good mixture of various migrations back and forth, the Huns here being just one of several known historical migrations.

So any commonality there might be between Turks and Hungarians have to be much more recent, especially given Geza said Ottoman Turks, so i thought he was speaking about some form of modern connection, but i guess not?

**Géza** · 01-21-2013, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Onur

I would like add few more things.

Evon, we already had our own culture, identity, rich language and history even before we migrated into Anatolia 1000 years ago. Our Turkish identity didn't get created in Anatolia but we only developed it further here.

Turks ruled in Hungary for about 150 years `till 1700s but that wasn't our first contact with them.

The Ottoman Turkish ethnic group has emerged in Anatolia from the Seljuk conqerors and their local subjects. The Seljuks seemed more Central-Asian thant nowaday Ottoman Turks.

Originally Posted by evon

I think there is a miscommunication here among me Geza and you now it seems.

Firstly i dont see Hungarians as Turks, but as central Europeans speaking a Uralic based language, the Huns whom traversed the region for some 100 years or so, are unknown to us in terms of ethnic identity and spoken language, scholars are divided on this issue due to a lack of evidence.

The link Hungarians have to Central Asia is the same as Romanians have (Probably also Bulgarians and Ukrainians among others), which is probably a good mixture of various migrations back and forth, the Huns here being just one of several known historical migrations.

So any commonality there might be between Turks and Hungarians have to be much more recent, especially given Geza said Ottoman Turks, so i thought he was speaking about some form of modern connection, but i guess not?

Firstly I spoke about the connection in the Early Modern Era between us and the Ottomans, after I spoke the more ancient cennection what bases on the same Central-Asian root.

**evon** · 01-21-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Géza

Firstly I spoke about the connection in the Early Modern Era between us and the Ottomans, after I spoke the more ancient cennection what bases on the same Central-Asian root.

I think i got it..

**~~Hoca~~** · 02-11-2013, 08:57 PM

How could I have missed this thread.

There is lots of connections between Etruscan and Trojan. They say both spoke an Asiatic agglutinative language comparable to Turkish. They were probably proto-Turks. Recent DNA research has found out that Turks are the closest to Etruscans.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007...aly.johnhooper

**evon** · 02-11-2013, 09:02 PM

Saw this today, and saw this thread, so i though i would share it...

http://dienekes.blogspot.no/2013/02/...tto-et-al.html

A model of genealogical continuity across 2,500 years thus proved to best fit the observed data for Volterra, and especially Casentino, but not for another community dwelling in an area also rich with Etruscan archaeological remains (Murlo), nor (as expected) for the bulk of the current Tuscan population, here represented by a forensic sample of the inhabitants of Florence.