Would a free Kurdistan not be to the benefit of Turkey?

[Incal]

Yes, I am against. Because we have a treaty like Laussane which does not recognize Kurds as a minority unlike non-Muslim ones, therefore they are a priori Turks according to an international agreement.

However after Balkan War II, Bulgarians signed a treaty which guarantees rights of Turkish minority.

So it's all about a signed paper? So if back in the day an agreement saying Turks living in the Balkans should be cured with fire had been signed... Then all cool?

[Partizan]

I dunno, ask them. But I was able to communicate with that Zaza guy (forgot his name) while he was speaking Zaza and I was speaking Sorani on Anthroscape.

If you notice, I don't speak Kurdish, Dutch or Spanish often and I only speak it some times. I mainly use English to communicate with people and Kurdish (sometimes Spanish) to my parents.

Well, again I don't remember Demhat and alanr repeatedly talking Kurdish, they talk Kurdish at start but later switch to English, probably because of that they have no common language.

Such as?

Nomadic lifestyle, arrow and bow ranges, name's similarity to Turkic Karluk tribe etc.

If Kurds are illegal in Turkey then why not in Iraq?

Laussanne is about Turkey, perhaps that is why?

The Turkish tone, majority of Turkish members get angry very easily. You remember Pecheneg right?

You used to insult easily as well and you called Tuan Belanda as a Turk for disagreeing with you despite everybody knew that he is the purest Dutch(or maybe even purest-Western European) in forum

Masters? Please...

Who promised you free Kurdistan? Who supported Koçgiri, Milli Aşiret, Sheikh Said rebellions?

Sevres would have been perfect with only a few adjustments.

Distributing a Turkish/Muslim populated land between Greeks, Italians, French and Armenians ?!?

Actually it is the fault of Turkish policies, remember the time when we were called "Mountain Turks"? Yeah, definetely Turkish policies.

"They called you as Mountain Turks so that we should go armed and kill Turkish civilians."

Perfect logic.

Your father was Far left or just left?

Far left, however does not support armed resistance unlike in his youth. Actually when he was younger, he along with other Maoists and "Hoxhaists", used to support armed resistance but after 1980's he became a rather Democratic Socialist and even left Maoism, now a straight up Marxists(reads both Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Luxembourg but stays as an unaligned socialist).

Descendants of the Seljuks I mean.

Again I ask, which Kurds we encountered in 1071? We fought against Eastern Romans and there were no Kurds when we came here. Even Izady admitted it but he claims Kurds were exiled in Anatolia in Roman Period

So it's all about a signed paper? So if back in the day an agreement saying Turks living in the Balkans should be cured with fire had been signed... Then all cool?

First of all, I should not even reply a biased triracial who jumps into everything anti-Turkish for the sake of gaining some white points. However there is a definitely wrong logic, since Laussanne is the manifest of Turkey, recognizing it means recognizing existence of Turkish state. Its violation should never be tolerated by Turkish state, we won it with our War of Independence.

[iNird]

So Macedonia and Kosovo never signed the treaty. If their constitutions were amended and disallowed Turkish minority rights, you would be fine with it? Sure :eyerolls:

You don't want minorities in your countries....that's fine I'm not a minority in your country so it really doesn't effect me. But you Turks are cheerleaders for Turkish minority rights abroad.....

[ariel]

hounestly, the area who called "iraqi kurdistan" are actually assyrian land....

[Comte Arnau]

Countries with large ethnicities other than the prevailing one would be better indeed without those ethnic tensions. But people don't want to 'lose' territory because one always wants to feel that his cock is big.

[Incal]

You don't want minorities in your countries....that's fine I'm not a minority in your country so it really doesn't effect me. But you Turks are cheerleaders for Turkish minority rights abroad.....

Exactly. That's turkish hypocrisy and double standards for you. When it comes to Turkey they want to turkify everyone but when abroad matters suddenly (and conveniently) do change:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-748070.html

[Partizan]

So Macedonia and Kosovo never signed the treaty. If their constitutions were amended and disallowed Turkish minority rights, you would be fine with it? Sure :eyerolls:

Actually Kosovo started with five languages since start, so their constitution is different than Turkish one. But Turkey's resurrection in 1919-1923 was based on idea of nation state. I don't know so much about Macedonia though.

You don't want minorities in your countries....that's fine I'm not a minority in your country so it really doesn't effect me. But you Turks are cheerleaders for Turkish minority rights abroad.....

I'm talking in a legal basis. Also there are some historical facts in it, like Kurds having no history and creating no state, having no qualifications for being a nation etc. etc. etc.

Exactly. That's turkish hypocrisy and double standards for you. When it comes to Turkey they want to turkify everyone but when abroad matters suddenly (and conveniently) do change:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-748070.html

Triracial please, go and stay in your continent and don't talk about somewhere you have never set your step in.

Who said I am an "Erdoğanist"? Actually Germany accepted those workers so they should not whine about them but since I am frustrated with that those Turks don't politically form lobbies in order to serve Turkey, they should back to here. A win-win case for both Turkey and Germany.

[Hayalet]

Since Republic of Turkey is continuation of the Ottoman Empire, Turkish nationality in the new republic is continuation of the status of Muslims in the imperial era on legal basis. The reason why Arabs, Circassians, Kurds, Laz etc. weren't recognized as minorities next to Armenians, Greeks and Jews wasn't that Turks wanted to Turkify them, it's because nobody (including those ethnic groups themselves) saw them as minorities in the same sense.

[Loki]

How can I be Turkified? It sounds appealing

[ChildOfTheJin]

Well, again I don't remember Demhat and alanr repeatedly talking Kurdish, they talk Kurdish at start but later switch to English, probably because of that they have no common language.

Whatever...

Nomadic lifestyle, arrow and bow ranges, name's similarity to Turkic Karluk tribe etc.

Nomadic lifestyle? You're describing both our ancestors.

Arrow and Bow ranges? Still not convinced.

Karluk tribe? Sounds similar, different etymology while Kardu has the same etymology as Kurd.

Laussanne is about Turkey, perhaps that is why?

So you're saying that official papers rule over everything else? Aha, I am a Dutch muslim then.

You used to insult easily as well and you called Tuan Belanda as a Turk for disagreeing with you despite everybody knew that he is the purest Dutch(or maybe even purest-Western European) in forum

Do you stalk me or something? I forgot about that and I had my own reasons. I only insulted once I was insulted, ever heard of "an eye for an eye" ?

Who promised you free Kurdistan? Who supported Koçgiri, Milli Aşiret, Sheikh Said rebellions?

Who promised us? Well, the west basically.

Who supported us? No one

Distributing a Turkish/Muslim populated land between Greeks, Italians, French and Armenians ?!?

Thats why I said, a few adjustments, can't you read?

"They called you as Mountain Turks so that we should go armed and kill Turkish civilians."

Perfect logic.

The Media says something so it must be true.

Great logic

Far left, however does not support armed resistance unlike in his youth. Actually when he was younger, he along with other Maoists and "Hoxhaists", used to support armed resistance but after 1980's he became a rather Democratic Socialist and even left Maoism, now a straight up Marxists(reads both Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Luxembourg but stays as an unaligned socialist).

I like your father

Again I ask, which Kurds we encountered in 1071? We fought against Eastern Romans and there were no Kurds when we came here. Even Izady admitted it but he claims Kurds were exiled in Anatolia in Roman Period

The Rawadiya tribe who lived in Dvin (Ancient city in what is now Armenia) were attacked by the Seljuks. That is also when Saladins Paternal ancestors migrated to Tikrit, they moved because of this attack.