Baltic Finnic N1c arrival in the Baltic Sea region

[Äijä]

What are the possible scenarios for this group? Historically mentioned peoples they might be connected to?




http://www.yfull.com/tree/N-VL29/

[Äijä]

Should this subgroup be named differently or will studies come to the conclusion that Rurik and Varangians where at least in part Finnic?

[Äijä]

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[Not a Cop]

Should this subgroup be named differently or will studies come to the conclusion that Rurik and Varangians where at least in part Finnic?

Is this a Rurikid cluster?

[Dombra]

Should this subgroup be named differently or will studies come to the conclusion that Rurik and Varangians where at least in part Finnic?

There is still much one can do to sophisticate the research of N1c so we will have to see

Rurik was probably part Finnic Finnic admixture and its range is underestimated in general

[Äijä]

Is this a Rurikid cluster?

Sort of, that has also "cousin" lines, old picture I just took to get some attention.

The real meat are the YFull estimates.

[Rugevit]

I've been with your through this already.

N1c1 was found in Zhizhitskaya culture in Smolensk Russia on the eastern border of Belarus dated to 4,500 years.









The Zhizhitskaya archaeological culture was surrounded by Corded-Ware culture. THe differences between the Zhizhitskaya and Corded-Ware is the material culture of the former being built on tombs in the lake near water. Furthermore, people of Zhizhitskaya had agricultural practices similar to those of central Europe. Make a mental note N1c1 in Zhizhitskaya is 4,500 years old.


TheComb Ceramic culturewhich included the Narva culture encompassed territories of north-eastern Europe. There is some debate about the language of inhabitants of the Narva culture. Some scholars suggest that inhabitants were paleo-European speakers based on evidence of toponyms and hydronyms. The Comb Ceramic culture was replaced by Corded-ware horizon associated with IE family of languages by scholars. Proto-Finnic speakers migrated to Baltic shore around 3,000 from Volga-Ural direction as per Finnish scholars.

Who could spread N1c1 in the Baltic region in the light of this information? All three - paleo-Europeans, Indo-Europeans and proto-Finnic could be responsible for spreading N1c1 into the Baltic region. It was certainly not proto-Finnic speakers in western Russia, Smolensk 4,500 years ago given linguistic evidence. From Smolensk Russia, N1c1 could travel along Daugava/western Dvina River into northern Belarus , Latvia and Lithuania.

[Äijä]

I've been with your through this already.

N1c1 was found in Zhizhitskaya culture in Smolensk Russia on the eastern border of Belarus dated to 4,500 years.









The Zhizhitskaya archaeological culture was surrounded by Corded-Ware culture. THe differences between the Zhizhitskaya and Corded-Ware is the material culture of the former being built on tombs in the lake near water. Furthermore, people of Zhizhitskaya had agricultural practices similar to those of central Europe. Make a mental note N1c1 in Zhizhitskaya is 4,500 years old.


TheComb Ceramic culturewhich included the Narva culture encompassed territories of north-eastern Europe. There is some debate about the language of inhabitants of the Narva culture. Some scholars suggest that inhabitants were paleo-European speakers based on evidence of toponyms and hydronyms. The Comb Ceramic culture was replaced by Corded-ware horizon associated with IE family of languages by scholars. Proto-Finnic speakers migrated to Baltic shore around 3,000 from Volga-Ural direction as per Finnish scholars.

Who could spread N1c1 in the Baltic region in the light of this information? All three - paleo-Europeans, Indo-Europeans and proto-Finnic could be responsible for spreading N1c1 into the Baltic region. It was certainly not proto-Finnic speakers in western Russia, Smolensk 4,500 years ago given linguistic evidence. From Smolensk Russia, N1c1 could travel along Daugava/western Dvina River into northern Belarus , Latvia and Lithuania.

Where does the N1c found there fit in the tree?

[Äijä]

There is still much one can do to sophisticate the research of N1c so we will have to see

Rurik was probably part Finnic Finnic admixture and its range is underestimated in general

Here you can look Sweden by regions, Svealand has a lot of it.

http://dna.scangen.se/index.php?show...Z&database=shd

[Rugevit]

Here you can look Sweden by regions, Svealand has a lot of it.

http://dna.scangen.se/index.php?show...Z&database=shd

Until subclades of the Smolensk N1c1 are determined there is no way of knowing where it can fit in the tree. Unlikely it's an Asian branch.