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The original ProtoIndoEuropeans were mostly Swarthy as proven by this.
http://archhades.blogspot.ca/2015/10...c-looking.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture c. 3500 BC–2000 BC
The original Indo-Iranians were a group of tribes, a tribal confederation of semi nomadic IndoEuropeans. The Aryans themselves were a primitive steppe people with no permanent settlement but were effective at waging war, they had chariots and were good warriors but they often waged war against each other, not against the more advanced Neolithic Caucasoid Civilizations who they interacted with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irania...European_roots They interacted with North Neolithic Caucasoids from a far more advanced Civilization. The Indo-Iranians interacted with the Bactria-Magiana Culture, also called "Bactria-Magiana Archaeological Complex". Proto-Indo-Iranian arose due to this influence.[36] The Indo-Iranians also borrowed their distinctive religious beliefs and practices from this culture.[36]
Now, the admixture components of modern Indian ancestry is ANI=North Neolithic Iranians (BMAC CULTURE)+Post Yamna IndoEuropeans and ASI=Dravidian Caucasoids (pre Iranian Neolithic)+Indigenous/Onge (Non-Caucasoid)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactri...ogical_Complex 2300–1700 BC , The Vedic people invaded around 1450BC, establishing Vedic Civilization by 1500 BC, it was conflict with the Iranians who dominated the Steppe zone which prompted them to leave, the Vedic people constantly lost against the Iranians. (no surprise, South Asian men are really good at being conquered and having their women penetrated by foreign invaders in addition to having their civilizations occupied/destroyed by them)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_period#Origins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactri..._Indo-Iranians
Now what did the original Aryans look like? Simple, they looked like White people, most likely a composite of Nordic, Cromagnid and Dinaric phenotypes with fair skin and a huge Nordic population.
http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/201...and-south.html
"And, as you can see, the model got somewhat more complex as time went by, even without our recent influxes of ancient DNA. "ANI" came to be seen for what it was; a composite. It seems to be mostly made up of Neolithic Iranian-related ancestry with some steppe ancestry owed to Indo-Aryan speaking pastoral nomads whose descendants descended upon Central and South Asia late into the Bronze Age, bringing the Indo-Aryan languages to South Asia. [note]
There they would have encountered farmers of the BMAC culture in Central Asia who were likely quite Neolithic Iranian-like. These Indo-Aryan speakers, likely quite similar to Northeastern Europeans (i.e. Lithuanians), most likely intermixed with farmers in Central Asia and then moved on into Northwestern South Asia (i.e. the Indus Valley) to a pre-modern civilization more or less on the verge of collapsing (The Indus Valley Civilization) and from there; further intermixing with locals seems to have occurred."
This is why I say the original Aryans looked like White Europeans, being similar to North Eastern European slavs but is it any surprise? Nope, the ancestral clades of R1a come North Eastern Europe. The original IndoAryan speakers (the White Aryans) were primitive semi nomads, they inter-acted and mixed with this advanced Neolithic Culture and became the Indo-Iranians as a result of that mixing. The Iranian group invaded Iran and South Asia at a much later period while the Vedic group invaded around 1450-1500BC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_....931100_BCE.29
The reason why not many Indians resemble Europeans and are Brown Caucasoids with a moderate 15-25% non-Caucasoid admixture is because they mixed heavily with Neolithic Iranians before they invaded as proven by what the ANI component is.
If you read the link, in this admixture run, the Onge are actually a stand in for ASI here, it's really the Ancestral South Indian component and not a pure Indigenous component like it is on Harrapa. Most South Asians have under 20% IndoEuropean admixture since 2/3 of the Steppe component is actually IndoEuropean. I have more IndoEuropean ancestry from the people who coined the word "Aryan" (being IndoEuropeans in central asia before they migrated, the concept of being "Aryan" is entirely an IndoEuropean one and is not exclusive to Indians, The Indians are simply the only ones who have recorded usage of this word since many IndoEuropeans had a oral history and not much written content)
I intially thought the Steppe component was the IndoEuropean (Aryan component) but it isn't.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2016/06...rers-iran.html
Around 2/3 of the Steppe component would be IndoEuropean since the Hunter Gatherers themselves were Nomadic IndoEuropeans.
model of Steppe EMBA as a three-way mixture between EHG, the Chalcolithic farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers (CHG) is also a good fit and plausible.
This obsession with IndoEuropeans with modern academics is pointless though, it only exists because the final migration of IndoEuropeans conquered all of Europe which is why we all speak a IndoEuropean language. This final group also mixed with the Neolithic inhabitants which is why all the largest most populous dominant European ethnic groups all have 30% Neolithic admixture or more.
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Everything would be much easier and logical if agreed upon opinion that ENF's are Indo-Europeans and Iranian Neolithic+CHG and later "Steppe's" respectively are Indo-Aryan
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Early Neolithic Farmers were not IndoEuropeans, the Hunter Gatherer groups were Nomadic IndoEuropeans who inter-acted with the Neolithic Caucasoids in Europe, the original ProtoIndoEuropean Yamna were a mix of several Hunter Gatherer groups and they must have learned farming and to build communities themselves due to the Western Hunter Gatherers groups inter action with the Neolithic farmers.
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According to Jones et al. (2015) and Haak et al. (2015), autosomic tests indicate that the Yamnaya-people were the result of admixture between two different hunter-gatherer populations: distinctive "Eastern European hunter-gatherers" with high affinity to the Mal'ta-Buret' culture or other, closely related people from Siberia[2] and a population of "Caucasus hunter-gatherers" who probably arrived from somewhere in the Near East, probably the Caucasus.[3][web 1] Each of those two populations contributed about half the Yamnaya DNA.[5][web 1] According to co-author Dr. Andrea Manica of the University of Cambridge:
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There're two migration waves of Neolithic colonists from south: one replaced European population (WHG) on 80-90% in Europe and another replaced WHg/EHG's in steppe on 50%. But for some reason had been accepted opinion that Indo-European language is connected with mostly replaced population?
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Some Kalash people look (pseudo-)Dinarid (1).
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The IndoEuropean language is connected with this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-...opean_language
As Proto-Indo-Europeans became isolated from each other through the Indo-European migrations, the dialects of PIE spoken by the various groups diverged by undergoing certain sound laws and shifts in morphology to transform into the known ancient and modern Indo-European languages.
The Yamna are the forebearers of the IndoEuropean Culture, the first semi advanced IndoEuropean civilization, they were mostly a mix of the semi-nomadic IndoEuropean (Aryan) Hunter Gatherers who inter-acted with neolithic farmers. Still, the Neolithic farmers probably waged war against them eventually so it is no surprise that the last IndoEuropean groups from the steppe invaded and took over Europe, it was probably retribution for the Neolithic people of Europe eventually declaring war against the Semi-Nomadic Aryans and defeating them long ago. Several Hunter Gatherer groups (Semi Nomadic Aryans) must have converged and mixed with each other in the Yamna area when the Western and Eastern Hunter Gatherers were pushed out of Europe, they then mixed with each other and other IndoEuropean groups residing in that area who did not migrate yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture
Last edited by MagnusAurelius; 09-03-2017 at 12:34 AM.
Following this thread. Thanks for the information.
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OK, at first Hunter-Gatherers were mostly replaced in proportions of 50-90% by many waves of Neolithic colonists from south in all parts of Europe. Moreover, then, hybrid Yamna culture was replaced again by invaders from west, Corded Ware culture, at this time replacement amounted to 100%. And after that i must believe that all these replaced and devastated cultures were proto-Indo-European?!![]()
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What role did the Proto-Finns play in this scenario? Finnish orja means slave while Sanskrit arya means noble.
https://translate.google.at/#fi/en/orja
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The Indo-European people originate in India Afghanistan Pakistan area, where the original Aryan people still live.
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