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    Quote Originally Posted by Breitbart View Post
    Your post is a rambling goulash of incoherent gibberish.

    Caucasian is not a tribe but it's grouping of human beings, and used in biological anthropology as an umbrella term used to denote phenotypically similar groups from different regions, with a focus on skeletal anatomy, and especially cranial morphology, over skin tone.
    Caucasians descend from tribes of the Caucasus. Some went west, some went east, and they all have very different features. "Race" is a social construct to distract from tribes, either to include people in the tribe that shouldn't be, or to exclude people that should be included. For example, you think the Caucasian admixture of a Jew means they should belong to Caucasians, racially and culturally, even though tribally, they're still Jews. ADMIXTURE DOES NOT MATTER IN TRIBES. And there is no room for racism in the tribal structure.

    However, there is honesty in admixture too. I don't deny the science of genetics. But when you try to apply the genetics of female ancestors onto the cultural identities of male lineages, this is where I will start picking bones. Admixtures can cycle-out and cycle-in to any lineage, but this will never change one's tribal identity.

    If you are talking strictly about science, of course women pass down their admixture and diversify tribes. And you're assuming that white-looking people (who may or may not be Caucasians) even want to identify as white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breitbart View Post
    As for Jews, Ashkenazi Jews are largely White and they do benefit from Whiteness. This why Arabs as whole refer to Jews as White invaders from Europe. Some Jews however choose not to identify as White due to long history of hostility.
    That's because when an Israelite man has children with women of Ashkenaz, the children are still Israelites
    If you had a child with a white woman, your child would still belong to your tribe and not hers

    Same with Solomon who had a child with Sheva (Bilqis), their child looked African but the child was an Israelite, not a Kushite

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breitbart View Post
    So we're are getting closer to deciphering whiteness in the USA.
    The Irish were finally accepted fully, due to their look plus their Christian faith.
    Ashkenazi Jews are generally accepted as white because of their look, but there is still suspicion of their non Christian faith.
    Yes, what helped the Irish was that they were Christian, and the conflict with the other larger American public was that they were Catholic rather than Protestant, but eventually this sectarian element disappears or become non-important. Ashkenazi Jews are accepted as White, but due to their religion being non-Europeanized and still carries Semitic elements within it, unlike Christianity, they are seen as borderline in the Whiteness case. However as time went on, and with the influence and rise of Ashkenazim ins several places, they began to be seen as White as in current America.

    It should be noted that Sephardic Jews were one of the earliest colonist of America, however their history is not well known, many came from Iberia and the Netherlands, but their population was small, and thus of no concern. However Ashkenazi migration was heavy to the United States due to the prosecution they have faced under various Czars and their Cossack lackies. It should be noted that Sephardic can also refer to a rite rather than ethnic group, because most Mizrahim follow the Sephardic rite. Most Mizrahim look like their Arab neighbours, of their respective nations. Thus with Sephardim and Mizrahim they would not be seen as White in the American context, unless there ancestry truly goes to Iberia.

    That said Ashkenazim are the now the largest community of Jews world wide, hence it gives the image of Whiteness, with the exception of Israel being multicultural nation for Jews.

    In some ways Ashkenazim began to dominate American cultural landscapes such as Hollywood, Wall-street, and various companies, and often can found in high levels of Academia they became American or part of the American parcel and Whiteness. That said, this often lead to resentment and envy from the Anglo-Americans, who tend to be less successful than them.
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    It should be noted that Sephardic Jews were one of the earliest colonist of America, however their history is not well known, many came from Iberia and the Netherlands, but their population was small, and thus of no concern.
    Sephardic Jews it might be argued were the first recipients of whiteness in both Europe and North America.
    The first and only Jewish Prime Minister of the UK (20 February 1874 – 21 April 1880) Benjamin Disraeli was a Sephardic Jew.

    The first Jewish Cabinet member in north America was Judah Benjamin.
    He was a Sephardic Jew and Secretary of State(in office
    March 18, 1862 – May 10, 1865) of the Confederate States of America.

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    I'm a bit more familiar with ethnic nationalism than most Americans; naturally, I will tend to analyze this concept within such a framework (while recognizing the limitations thereof). Whiteness can be thought of as a sort of measure of your assimilability into and compatibility with the dominant ethno-cultural community of this country. However, culture will never be the sole factor. For example, whiteness will obviously never apply to blacks because there are drastic racial (anthropological) differences in appearance and behavior, regardless of how long they've been in America or how culturally white/American blacks may be on an individual basis. Therefore, race cannot be thought of in strictly ethno-cultural terms. Anthropology plays an indispensable part.

    If you pay any attention to leftists (and why not? know your enemy), critical race theory tends to posit that American whiteness has expanded in the past and will do so in the future, perhaps absorbing certain groups like Asians and mestizos. However, in order for that to happen, the ethno-cultural aspect will need to supersede the anthropological one to a degree that strikes me as inconceivable. There's some flexibility as these two main factors compete to form a cohesive and unidimensional concept of whiteness, but it can only go so far in either direction. How far is a very imprecise matter, but certain unreachable extremes are easily ascertainable (e.g., blacks).

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