Rumours/Theories about Albanian ethnarch Skanderberg.

[Cristiano viejo]

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https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...s-Spanish-dogs

[Laberia]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ch-Skanderberg

I asked what Gjon Muzaka said, not what wikipedia said.
Here you have the chronicle of Gjon Muzaka:
http://www.albanianhistory.net/1515_Musachi/index.html
Can you quote him?

[Hoxhaism]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...s-Spanish-dogs

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[Cristiano viejo]

I asked what Gjon Muzaka said, not what wikipedia said.
Here you have the chronicle of Gjon Muzaka:
http://www.albanianhistory.net/1515_Musachi/index.html
Can you quote him?

Wikipedia says what John Muzaki says.
Can you quote him?

[Kelmendasi]

John Muzaki does, and I am checking Muzaki is an Albanian surname.





you are REALLY ANALPHABET
Of course that there were kingdoms belonging to another kingdoms, damn ignorant!! the kingdoms of Valencia, Naples, Sicily and Mallorca belonged to the kingdom of Aragón, you damn illiterate

I will not waste not one second more of my time with such analphabet

@Viriato
qué más quisieran estos pobres diablos que poder tener un Hernán Cortés, un Francisco Pizarro, un Cid, un don Pelayo, un Fernando de Magallanes, un Vasco de Gama, un Viriato, un Duque de Alba, un Gran Capitán, un Blas de Lezo, un don Juan de Austria, etc etc etc

Thats only one Albanian. And he said that Skanderbeg had Slavic vibes which means that he was part Slavic and not necessarily of Slavic origin

[Laberia]

Wikipedia says what John Muzaki says.
Can you quote him?

No need for intermediary. You have now the chronicle of Gjon Muzaka. Read this chronicle first and quote him to support your claims. Is this difficult to understand?

[Cristiano viejo]

Thats only one Albanian. And he said that Skanderbeg had Slavic vibes which means that he was part Slavic and not necessarily of Slavic origin

How someone can be part Slavic without being of Slavic origin??

No need for intermediary. You have now the chronicle of Gjon Muzaka. Read this chronicle first and quote him to support your claims. Is this difficult to understand?

I dont need to read his chronicle unless you tell me Wikipedia is lying. I think is clear:

German historian, Franz Babinger, argued in the 1960s that there seems to have been a scientific consensus that kephale Branilo Kastrioti, Skanderbeg's great-grandfather and the earliest known ancestor of Skanderbeg, was of Serbian origin.[10] John Muzaki also, in his chronicle characterizes George Kastriote Skanderbeg as "of Serbian nature".

Wikipedia can be manipulated. Are you saying Wikipedia is being manipulated?

[Laberia]

How someone can be part Slavic without being of Slavic origin??


I dont need to read his chronicle unless you tell me Wikipedia is lying. I think is clear:



Wikipedia can be manipulated. Are you saying Wikipedia is being manipulated?

You asked for Gjon Muzaka. And you have the chronicle of Gjon Muzaka. Where he in his chronicle characterizes George Kastriote Skanderbeg as "of Serbian nature?
Wikipedia is an anonymous encyclopedia. Everyone can edit a page, etc.
The chronicle of Muzaka is an primary source. Do you know what is a primary source?

[Tomorr]

Sólo Valencia fue abandonada tras morir el Cid, ante la imposibilidad de recibir refuerzos. Su esposa Doña Jimena y su ejército abandonaron la ciudad, no sin antes arrasarla para que no les quedara a los moros.


Not my fault that your Griko-Serbian Scumdenberg was vassal of a Spaniard
Read, it is very amusing for me seeing this about your national hero



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Gaeta

and continues



What the fuck, all the main Albanian bosses liking the ass of that Spanish boy

MORE:



^ AKA VASSAL

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^ hahaha that is the most amusing part... 100 Spaniards were enough to that some authors considered Alfonso V ruler of that Albanian city, even having 15.000 Albanian soldiers there

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skanderbeg#Rise

SO YES, YES, YES, PUT THE MIND VASSAL IN YOUR GYPSY BRAIN
And ah!, dont forget Spain even conquered Durres in 1378 for three years, Ottoman rape offspring

Alright calm down now moorish conquistador. All that moor blood in you has made you insane and suffer some severe inferiority complex. You are coping right now because you cannot post an example of iberian general as great as Skanderbeg. No matter what you say will not change the fact that Skanderbeg was de facto independent (In 1451, he recognized de jure the suzerainty of the Kingdom of Naples through the Treaty of Gaeta, to ensure a protective alliance, although he remained a de facto independent ruler.[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skanderbeg It was initiated by Skanderbeg, not forced upon him, he wanted to use Alfonso to get money and equipment, which he got "Naples' archives registered payments and supplies sent to Skanderbeg, they do not mention any kind of payment or tribute by Skanderbeg to Alfonso, except for various Ottoman war prisoners and banners sent by him as a gift to the King.[107][108]".

No matter what you say is that iberians are so incompetent, they begged Skanderbeg for help in saving their asses. "in 1460, King Ferdinand had serious problems with another uprising of the Angevins and asked for help from Skanderbeg". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skande...ian_expedition
Skanderbeg installed Ferdinand as king.

Maybe it's all that moor blood in you gitano viejo that has made you so incompetent.

As for the supposed spanish conquest of durres 1378, i can't seem to find much about it. No recorded battle, just that a mercenary company took the city and held it for 3 years before it was conquered by the Albanian warlord Karl Thopia. Is it true that Spain made a movie about this called the conquest of Albania? lol that is pathetic.

Guess what i also found? Apparently a spanish leader Juan Fernández de Heredia tried to take a city from the Albanian chieftain Gjin bua shpata but got defeated and captured and then sold as a slave to the ottomans. He was most likely used as a sex slave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_F...dez_de_Heredia

[Cristiano viejo]

You asked for Gjon Muzaka. And you have the chronicle of Gjon Muzaka. Where he in his chronicle characterizes George Kastriote Skanderbeg as "of Serbian nature?
Wikipedia is an anonymous encyclopedia. Everyone can edit a page, etc.
The chronicle of Muzaka is an primary source. Do you know what is a primary source?

I did not ask for John Muzaki (in fact you did it)

Again, are you saying Wikipedia has been manipulated/bad translated or something? because "of Serbian nature" means yes or yes that Skandenberg was part Serbian

Do you want that I read an entire chronicle to check there are not references to that simple sentence??