Darwinian Evolution is highly questionable

[Gediminas]

You think you are smart, but you can't even get the basics right. You really need to humble yourself girl. You have an unnecessary chip on your shoulder, and you are trying to tell us that Jesus isn't real or something? Come on....

Pray tell, oh dear leader, what basics I got wrong. Tell me exactly what I said that is untrue. Try and I guarantee I can prove to anyone with any sense, awareness and intelligence that evolution is true and that this nonsense of biblical creationism is a lie that is in opposition to the most basic of reason and logic.

And no, I believe Jesus was a real person, a real person who sought to reform Judaism. I just dont believe the magical big fish stories.

[Loki]

Pray tell, oh dear leader, what basics I got wrong. Tell me exactly what I said that is untrue. Try and I guarantee I can prove to anyone with any sense, awareness and intelligence that evolution is true and that this nonsense of biblical creationism is a lie that is in opposition to the most basic of reason and logic.

And no, I believe Jesus was a real person, a real person who sought to reform Judaism. I just dont believe the magical big fish stories.

Jesus didn't want to reform Judaism. He came to preach about the eternal kingdom of God, life after death, heaven and hell. And yes, he really perfomed miracles... miracles happen even today. He also cast out demons (something that his disciples also do today).

My friend, I am concerned about your soul. God is real, and Jesus is the only way to gain salvation. This life is but a test... and is short. Eternity awaits. Where will you spend it?

[Gediminas]

Jesus didn't want to reform Judaism. He came to preach about the eternal kingdom of God, life after death, heaven and hell. And yes, he really perfomed miracles... miracles happen even today. He also cast out demons (something that his disciples also do today).

My friend, I am concerned about your soul. God is real, and Jesus is the only way to gain salvation. This life is but a test... and is short. Eternity awaits. Where will you spend it?

If you can prove to me that Christianity and the Bible are true, 100% true, with the support of logic and science and well documented history and archeology, I will acknowledge Jesus Christ as God incarnate and become a Christian. I'm certain that if it is the truth, it will be clear without a doubt.

[Loki]

If you can prove to me that Christianity and the Bible are true, 100% true, with the support of logic and science and well documented history and archeology, I will acknowledge Jesus Christ as God incarnate and become a Christian. I'm certain that if it is the truth, it will be clear without a doubt.

It is, I am 100% sure it is the absolute truth. I have investigated this since I was 13 years old, I am 45 now... there is not a single doubt left in my mind, after having considered everything.

[Gediminas]

It is, I am 100% sure it is the absolute truth. I have investigated this since I was 13 years old, I am 45 now... there is not a single doubt left in my mind, after having considered everything.

So, what's the proof? I keep asking for proof but no one can show me it. They can never give me actual scientific backing for the validity of Christianity without pointing me to an article with an author who uses the bible to prove itself. Muslims at least are willing and able to point me to scientific discoveries that can be interpreted as passages from their book, however vague. Yet Christians seem almost afraid to do so. I'm sitting here, willing to listen to you and others tell me the proof of Christianity, and consistantly they just dance around the question with either flowery fluff talk or threats of damnation. I want actual demonstrable, peer reviewed data examined by not only christians but scientists of all religious backgrounds in a consensus that supports biblical claims indisputably. And every single time every apologist and preacher FAILS to give me what I ask for.

[Loki]

So, what's the proof? I keep asking for proof but no one can show me it. They can never give me actual scientific backing for the validity of Christianity without pointing me to an article with an author who uses the bible to prove itself. Muslims at least are willing and able to point me to scientific discoveries that can be interpreted as passages from their book, however vague. Yet Christians seem almost afraid to do so. I'm sitting here, willing to listen to you and others tell me the proof of Christianity, and consistantly they just dance around the question with either flowery fluff talk or threats of damnation. I want actual demonstrable, peer reviewed data examined by not only christians but scientists of all religious backgrounds in a consensus that supports biblical claims indisputably. And every single time every apologist and preacher FAILS to give me what I ask for.

God works with us individually as persons, and he knows very well how to reach your heart. But you have to be open, and not regard this as some stand-offish dare for God to prove to you that he is real. He is God, remember. He doesn't owe you anything. But he is gracious and kind... and if you are genuinely looking for the truth, you will find it.

It's not possible for me to know what exactly will convince you.. you'd have to think about it deeply, and then ask God to reveal himself to you, if he is real. I'm convinced he woudl, if you would be sincere....

Currently your attitude is completely wrong, and it doesn't look like you're genuinely looking for the truth. But I may be wrong, only God knows your heart. If the truth is what you are looking for, then you will find it.

[Bobby Martnen]

So, what's the proof? I keep asking for proof but no one can show me it. They can never give me actual scientific backing for the validity of Christianity without pointing me to an article with an author who uses the bible to prove itself. Muslims at least are willing and able to point me to scientific discoveries that can be interpreted as passages from their book, however vague. Yet Christians seem almost afraid to do so. I'm sitting here, willing to listen to you and others tell me the proof of Christianity, and consistantly they just dance around the question with either flowery fluff talk or threats of damnation. I want actual demonstrable, peer reviewed data examined by not only christians but scientists of all religious backgrounds in a consensus that supports biblical claims indisputably. And every single time every apologist and preacher FAILS to give me what I ask for.

That's because you're looking for scientific proof of something that isn't a scientific claim.

The existence of God is a philosophical debate, not a scientific one.

[Gediminas]

God works with us individually as persons, and he knows very well how to reach your heart. But you have to be open, and not regard this as some stand-offish dare for God to prove to you that he is real. He is God, remember. He doesn't owe you anything. But he is gracious and kind... and if you are genuinely looking for the truth, you will find it.

It's not possible for me to know what exactly will convince you.. you'd have to think about it deeply, and then ask God to reveal himself to you, if he is real. I'm convinced he woudl, if you would be sincere....

Currently your attitude is completely wrong, and it doesn't look like you're genuinely looking for the truth. But I may be wrong, only God knows your heart. If the truth is what you are looking for, then you will find it.

You used so many words to say nothing at all.

You've ignored both my question of what exactly I got wrong, and failed to present the proof that I ask for. In the time we have spoken you have achieved nothing in proving Christianity to me, with supposedly 32 years of study you cant provide me a single piece of evidence. And we haven't even touched on darwinian evolution yet.

That's because you're looking for scientific proof of something that isn't a scientific claim.

The existence of God is a philosophical debate, not a scientific one.

If you can assert it without proof, then I can dismiss it without proof, which is exactly what I'm doing.

You're also ignoring a key point. I already believe in God, I'm asking for evidence of Christianity as the true faith.

[B01AB20]

I guess that the most enjoyable entertainment of believers when they go to heaven for eternity is to mock unbelievers, wherever they are -not in heaven of course- and for eternity as well, and say to them.... I told you, I told you!!.

And poor unbelievers thinking, 'I still can't believe it... what a stupid and unscientific God, my god.'

[Thordis]

The existence of God is a philosophical debate, not a scientific one.

Science and logic don't necessarily disagree with God. One can compare the history of the Scripture with what archeology or DNA studies, for example, have discovered and find conformity to those facts.

However many atheists/evolutionists reject the Bible from the beginning, claiming that it isn't a reasonable explanation since it is not based on science but a belief system. Yet they themselves exclude biblical creation as a plausible theory from the start, because it does not fit with their own belief system. So it's not really "we do not believe the Bible is true because the evidence does not support it", but rather "we do not believe the Bible is true because our belief in a big bang and evolution does not support it." The very foundation of their so-called "science" rejects the possibility of the Bible being true. They take their unobservable theories and force the observable into their unobservable theory rather than the opposite, which is what true science does. Take the case of mitochondrial Eve for example: the dates assigned to mitochondrial Eve had been said by evolutionists to rule out the biblical Eve. But these dates were based upon ‘molecular clock’ assumptions, which were calibrated by evolutionary beliefs about when certain evolutionary events occurred, supposedly millions of years ago. When these assumed rates were checked out against the real world, preliminary results indicated that the mitochondrial ‘molecular clock’ was ticking at a much faster rate than evolutionists believed possible. That is, it directly ‘challenges’ the evolutionary long-age claim. If correct, it means that mitochondrial Eve lived 6,000 to 6,500 years ago, right in the ballpark for the true ‘mother of all living’. Same thing regarding Y-chromosomal Adam, evolutionists base their dates on evolutionary assumptions. They take evolution as a given, and so they assume that the fossil record represents millions to billions of years of history – bacteria evolving upwards through worms, fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals, primates and finally humans. With this timeline in mind, they calibrate everything to fit to this timeline.

Believing in God isn't a delusion or an explanation of the uneducated, it's a perfectly reasonable conclusion when we look at the fingerprints on our universe. In fact it takes more of a leap of faith to believe that something evolved from nothing rather than it having been designed.





















But of course experiencing God himself and forming a personal connection with Him requires faith more than anything, just like salvation cannot be achieved without faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. What some atheists expect, i.e. for Christians to virtually "pull God out of a hat" is not going to happen...

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." (John 1:18)

"No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world." (1 John 4:12-14)

Proof of God is personal and individual to each believer. If absolute proof was given to an atheist (such God appearing from under that proverbial hat), then the atheist's relationship with God would probably be similar to the relationship people have with the authorities or politicians - obeying Him reluctantly because they don't want to experience His wrath, not out of love and respect and free choice, as believers do.