Did the ancient Greeks genocide, or assimilate, the Siculi of Sicily?

[Tauromachos]

Unfortunately, I have no idea what the ancient peoples of Sicily were like. Without ancient DNA one can only make speculations.

This is what i think as well

The same is also the problem for Ancient Greeks concerning the Dorians,Ionians e.c.t

The officialy known samples that have been studied well are from Mycanaeans and Minoans

[Tacitus]

Nevertheless they were violent and brutal as well there were also Phoenicians attacking Greeks settlements and also the people in the Levant today are not that peaceful.

And being occupied with trade doesn mean you are not violent.
Most of todays wars are fought because of trade.

Well yeah, but the point I was trying to make was that there probably weren't enough of them to totally displace and/or wipe out the indigenous groups they came into contact with in Sicily and alter the genepool in any significant way (nor it seems were they interested in doing so).

[Tauromachos]

Well yeah, but the point I was trying to make was that there probably weren't enough of them to totally displace and/or wipe out the indigenous groups they came into contact with in Sicily and alter the genepool in any significant way.

Displacement and altering the genepool are two different things though

The latter would mean assimilation of these people by the Greek settlers.

[Arjana]

There is a myth created in this forum, especially by Sikeliot ( that will continue to bump this threads until this forum exists it seems) that entire Sicily and southern Italy was colonised by ancient hellens.
.Ancient hellens were not warlike populations and they settled with permission from locals.

In this case they colonised just the shores of Sicily and southern Italy and didn't actually play a huge genetic role.

People because of their ignorance tend to forget that most of southern Italy was colonised by Illyrian Messapian tribes and Sambrian italic tribes.

For some reasons they are not mentioned much.

The reason why southern italians don't look similar to Albanians is because a part of southern italians are genetically influenced by levantine slaves brought by roman empire

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The officialy known samples that have been studied well are from Mycanaeans and Minoans

It's even difficult to say how Mycenaeans were specifically, since our observations are based only on 4 samples that varied genetically. We need dozens and dozens of samples from each historical period, and this also applies to southern Italy.

[Ajeje Brazorf]

The reason why southern italians don't look similar to Albanians is because a part of southern italians are genetically influenced by levantine slaves brought by roman empire

This is just another myth.

[Arjana]

There were migrations to Italy they didn't go there en masse. Even under Ottoman occupation Greeks existed and large portions of mainland Greece was self ruled.

The only regions that were granted semi independence and self governance By law by the Ottoman Empire were Nothern Albanian Highlands, Drenica valley in western Kosovo, Laberia region in southern Albania (including Himara) and north montenegro Highlands.

If you are talking about some mountain regions of Thesally, most of them were Vlachs ( thesaly was called Great wllahia) and they had to pay taxes to Ali Pashe Tepelena for 35 years ( to him and not to the Sultan).

maybe mani region was some how self governed

[Arjana]

This is just another myth.

They have the highest genetic affinity with Levantines , together with some Greeks out of All populations in Europe.

[Tacitus]

They have the highest genetic affinity with Levantines , together with some Greeks out of All populations in Europe.

The "affinity" is really more towards Anatolia and the Caucasus, and these large east-west migrations ended with the Magna Graecia colonization.

While the contribution of the pre-Neolithic European hunter-gatherers—which is relevant in other European countries (Skoglund et al., 2012 Skoglund P, Malmström H, Raghavan M, Storå J, Hall P, Willerslev E, Gilbert MT, et al. 2012. Origins and genetic legacy of Neolithic farmers and hunter-gatherers in Europe. Science 336:466–469.[Crossref], [PubMed], [Web of Science ®], [Google Scholar])—is only moderate in Southern Italy and Sicily, the most important layers of the ‘continuum’ seem to refer to later events. They are (1) a huge Neolithic-like genetic component (∼50%) and (2) a Bronze Age component incorporating a significant Caucasus-related ancestry (∼24%). If the former is obviously related to migrations that spread Neolithic technologies towards the West, the second one suggests a less known net of Bronze-Age population movements along the Eastern Mediterranean shores through Anatolia.
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The ‘Mediterranean genetic continuum’, shared between Sicily, Southern Italy and a wider Mediterranean area, traces its origins to Neolithic and Bronze Age layers. It took shape along thousands of years of East–West migrations, of which the Greek conquest of the area (Magna Graecia) was probably only the last of a long series. On the other hand, the differentiation identified by surnames took place later, probably starting from the late Middle Ages and continuing until recent times, without erasing the underlying genetic homogeneity. Since the surname structure is clearly shaped by geography, we may hypothesise that it mainly originated from low-rate, short-distance population mobility, which finally resulted in an isolation-by-distance-like pattern.

[Sikeliot]

The "affinity" is towards Anatolia and the Caucasus, and these large east-west migrations ended with the Magna Graecia colonization.

So why do mainland Greeks fall outside of this cluster then? I mean, I think we know the answer. But clearly there is some post-neolithic Levantine and North African admixture in south Italy and the Aegean islands that is not/was never present on mainland Greece even before the Slavs.