Is there such a thing as a cheap haplogroup test?

[Transhumanist]

Lol, generic British. At least it'd be a native R1b hopefully, or failing that a "Germanic" one. I1 or R1a would be interesting or one of the rarer ones. I definitely wouldn't want to be E3b, J, G or anything out of the Med though!

Aww... What happened to all those programmes they did at the turn of the millennium like 'Blood of the Vikings' where they did it for free and gave them the results on TV?

Yeah, it'd be quite a boring result really, but in England there's a 30% chance you're something else (usually I).

Albion, although most British and European men are members of subclades downstream of R-M269, its origin, based on what we know, is most likely the same general region as J1/J2, G1/G2, and T1. The Y-DNA paternal ancestors of men who are not a form of R1b, including ones I did not mention above, may have arrived in the British Isles several millennia ago.

Please see the attachment. It is my reply to a man from England on 23andMe, curious about his G1 classification.

The American man with Welsh ancestry, who is in the same G1 category as myself, based on 111 STR markers, has a GD (genetic distance) of 57 with me. This is a tremendous distance. Certainly in the thousands of years. Six millennia, seven millennia. Difficult to say. What is not difficult to say is that it was a heck of a long time ago.

[Scrapple]

Then McDonald's Graph of origin said I was Dutch. But should I take this seriously, when Frederick, the Prussian German was placed in England by Mcdonald?

Dr McDonald seems to place people of solely European ancestry mainly based upon their Mid-East %. As you travel East generally Mid-East rises but there is a problem with that assumption since people of NE Euro ancestry as also are naturally low Mid-East as there wasn't much migration from that region going back to Neolithic times. So it assigns NE Euro ancestry to England. That is my take on it anyway, I could of course be wrong but it does explain Frederick's results.

If your ancestry doesn't include NE Euro then he is probably correct. For example in your case you are in the Netherlands and your ancestry according to your profile is English and N German so you being in the Netherlands makes sense as that is in between the two countries.

[Damião de Góis]

McDonald did guess me as spanish, which is accurate enough. But he placed me on southern France on his map.

[Scrapple]

McDonald did guess me as spanish, which is accurate enough. But he placed me on southern France on his map.

Well you don't have any NE European ancestry so it is more accurate for you.

To add to my last post. I was looking at a spreadsheet hosted on dna-forums and the Finns all had a negative number for their Mid-East. A Pole had numbers similar to those of British Isles ancestry.

Oh well at least he does it for free.

[Frederick]

Dr McDonalds claimed me 98.5% English and placed me in Kent (southeast England)

Population Finder of FTDNA claims me 94% Orcadian + 6% Middle Eastern

Eurogenes has me clustering with the German cloud.

Dienekes Oracle claims "German" is closest for me.
Its however puzzling why its followed by Scottish and Orcadian, when its mixture mode correctly recognizes an 5% Northeast aboration from German average.

Dienekes "Cluster galore" clustered me of course also with Germans. But the overall size of the cluster was different in different runs.

In one run I was in the same cluster as: White Americans, Irish, Brits, Scandinavians, Germans, Slovenians and Hungarians.
In another run (wich had no Hungarians included) I was in a cluster with Scandinavians, Germans and Slovenians.

And in just another run with Austrians and the Hungarians back again it clustered me into a cluster that contained 70% of the Germans, 50% of the Austrians and 50% of the Hungarians aswell as all the Slovenians.

Then Dienekes once had a run with Celtic, Germanic, Slavic and Baltic speaking members and demanded 2 Clusters.
It neatly put all Celtic and Germanic speakers in one and the Baltic and Slavic speakers into the other cluster. It put me to the Celto-Germanic cluster.

Interpretome puts me into the German cloud, virtually in its center even. (that region overlaps with Austrians, Belgians and British clouds)

[Odoacer]

I definitely wouldn't want to be E3b, J, G or anything out of the Med though!

[Albion]

Sorry mate, I just don't want to be first farmer.

[Frederick]

Sorry mate, I just don't want to be first farmer.

You most likely have first farmer aDNA anyways, because whatever aDNA originally was connected to Y-DNA or mtDNA has now diffused out into the whole country and is no longer connected to people with certain y-DNA or mtDNA.

And technically, ALL lineages are of equal importance.
Carrying the y-DNA of a guy who migrated from the middle east or Anatolia to Britain 7000 years ago, doesnt make you one of them.

[Albion]

You most likely have first farmer aDNA anyways, because whatever aDNA originally was connected to Y-DNA or mtDNA has now diffused out into the whole country and is no longer connected to people with certain y-DNA or mtDNA.

And technically, ALL lineages are of equal importance.
Carrying the y-DNA of a guy who migrated from the middle east or Anatolia to Britain 7000 years ago, doesnt make you one of them.

Ah, I see. I would like to be associated with the Megalith builders, only I think there's the same association with them. On failing that, Germanics.

[Quasimodem]

Frederick...

Doesn't the abbreviation "aDNA" usually mean "ancient DNA", not "autosomal DNA"?

EDIT: A Google search revealed some studies that use it to mean "autosomal DNA", too.