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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    A study has shown that in many countries, there is a tendency to prefer rarer iris colours. For example in the United Kingdom, there is more "favouritism" towards commercial advertising models who have brown or intermediate eye colours while in Brazil, there is strong favouritism for lighter-colored eye models. These models are chosen based on their attractiveness, it was found that light-eyed models in Brazil are found in excess compared to the levels found in their general population while the opposite happened in the United Kingdom. This shows that people with rarer eye colours being perceived as "more attractive". The Brazil general population has an excess of brown eyes, while the United Kingdom has an excess of light eyes.
    People who do scientific studies are smarter than to select people with certain eye color in their study

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Ketch View Post
    I very much doubt 1/3 of British people are brown eyed. 1/4 sounds more like it, and that is the GB average in that study removing the extreme outlier (why that's included makes it a dubious source).
    Hazel eyes are not light eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Ketch View Post
    Is that how they're known now?

    Also re: your map, the idea that Wales is significantly (if any) darker eyed than England has got to be false
    No, but they exist in Britain. Serpiniton seems to be oblivious of that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Ketch View Post
    Is that how they're known now?

    Also re: your map, the idea that Wales is significantly (if any) darker eyed than England has got to be false
    I' not 100% sure about Wales, but both Lundman and Beddoe maps have it slightly darker. than England. I remember one study where 34% of Wales had dark eyes. That amateur study from 2011 has them at 32% so it seems to be in that ballpark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    Hazel eyes are not light eyes.
    I factored hazel in as effectively brown into my reckoning from experience.
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Ketch View Post
    I factored hazel in as effectively brown into my reckoning from experience.
    I would say 25-30% of England is dark eyed by this definition. Much less than a third (33,3%). About 22% are pure brown.

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    Spain has a fairly high number of light eyed people, especially in the north

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    I would say 25-30% of England is dark eyed by this definition. Much less than a third (33,3%). About 22% are pure brown.

    22% were found to be brown! There was no indication, that it was pure brown. Pure brown are much less than 22%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supercomputer View Post
    Overwhelming majority of pigmentation studies were done in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Just because the study is old doesn't mean it's any less legitimate. You don't need modern high tech equipment to divide eye colors into 3 or 4 categories. People were very capable of doing that even 150 years ago. It's always possible things have changed due to migration and intermarriage, but I haven't seen any evidence for that. The few modern studies that exist give extremely similar results to old ones (Slovenia, Poland, Iceland, Netherlands..) Even that modern summary of studies posted here just a few days ago quotes Virchow from 1886 so professionals don't seem to thing it's anything wrong with using 150 year old data on pigmentation. It's not like we are studying height.

    For the last time, your ScotlandsDNA study:

    1. doesn't have a credible source (we know NOTHING about that supposed "study")
    2. doesn't determine weather the 78% figure includes hazel (Mr. Bean) eyes.
    3. Your claim of 78% for blue and green goes totally against all the studies that DO exist and DO have a legitimate source. Even the new summary for Great Britain has dark eyes average for 32% with none of the studies having more than 74,6% blue and intermediate eyes. (all modern studies from 2004, 2007 and 2009)
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...303387#bib0270

    The overwhelming majority of evidence is on my side, so buzz off with your crap about Britain being so light eyed already.
    Hazel eyes are usually included in the dark eyes category in most Northern European groups ( "dark-mixed") by the way. The people of the British Islands are known to be predominantly light or light-mixed-eyed without exception, with the Irish even exceeding some Scandinavian groups! The biggest difference is that with Scandinavians and Balts, is that British Islanders have higher frequencies of brown hair and at the same time they exceed any Northern European group in redheadedness and vascularity of the skin! The 2014 study done by the Blue Eyes Project, ScotlandDNA led by Alistair Moffat is much more accurate and not based on 18/19th century bias. Even Carleton Coon, one of the giants of physical anthropology, said the data concerning Britain was unsatisfactory! Nevertheless he gave the general outline of the British being mostly blue-eyed, brown-haired, pale-skinned, with more red-haired than most groups! Your science direct is based on archaic, biased studies of Beddoe! Come on now, wake up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Ketch View Post
    Is that how they're known now?

    Also re: your map, the idea that Wales is significantly (if any) darker eyed than England has got to be false
    Correct! Wales is not significantly darker-eyed than England by any means. It is just bias! Proper studies done on the British Isles shows that for blue eyes per region within the British Isles. I am ranking them from the most blue-eyed to the least:
    South East Scotland
    Connacht Ireland
    Leinster Ireland
    Ulster & Munster Ireland, Central England
    Yorkshires England, North & West Scotland, South West Scotland
    North East Scotland, Central Scotland
    North East England
    Wales
    South East England
    East England
    South West England
    Therefore there was more bias towards Wales. Yes the Welsh might be among the darkest/-eyed. However they are not decidedly the darkest-eyed Britons! East Anglians who have more Germanic blood ( Anglo-Saxon) are less frequently blue-eyed than the Welsh!

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