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    Europeans would have been better educated and literate. Islam teaches its adherants to become knowledgeable about their religion and to read its holy book. Catholicism, and even many protestant churches, preached ignorance because it was afraid that a literate population would realize that 99% of its teachings were not in the Bible and were either pulled out out their asses for population control/wealth or veiled paganism (eucharist, easter, etc).
    Literally nonsense if there is a religion that bind his believers in an unreasoned cult and ideology, it’s Islam.

    Europe would have had far greater agricultural output. During the Middle Ages, Europe abandoned many agricultural techniques and tools because they were deemed as heretical by the Catholic church. Something as simple as using a threshing board to process wheat (which took less time and gave greater yield) could get someone executed by the church just because the threshing board was invented in the Middle East.
    Nonsense also because it’s in Europe that major agricultural innovations took place like the use of horse collar, the mouldboard plow, the horsehoe…

    Europe would have better engineering and housing. The collective knowledge of the Persian, Greek and Roman empires was largely lost to Europe after the fall of Rome. While medieval engineers were not complete failures, the knowledge and tools at their disposal cannot compare to the Islamic world's engineering which built upon and continued improving the collective knowledge of the classical world.
    Europeans have built the Cathedrals in the Middle Ages. How you can say that’s not comparable to build some Mosques that aren’t even high as 1/10 of the height of a gothic church ? What you can say about medieval castles ? Do you really think that building cities like Carcassone, Siena, Lucca or Bruges require less technical skill that building a mosque and some desert houses ? Seriously…

    Europe would have had better sanitation. While European Christianity of the Middle Ages put no emphasis on cleanliness or hygiene, the Islamic world emphasized the importance of cleanliness and hygiene.
    People from Renaissance were more dirty than those from Middle Ages. For sure. The Islamic world emphasizes so much cleanliness than today muslim countries are thirld-word countries in all definitions (including hygiene).

    There would have been fewer plagues and better medical treatment available. Islam was the spiritual successor to the medical achievements of the classical world, and continued to improve and build upon them. Europeans waited until the late 1800s before waking up to modern medicine. Europeans were still treating people on the notion of the four humors into the 1700s.
    Europeans had already developed the foundations of modern medicine, for example Vesalius that was the most important anatomist of the Renaissance time, he helped to destroy the work of Claudius Galenus and to understand better how human body works. It's not Islam.

    Scientific witchhunts would not have happened. The Islamic world praised scientific innovation and technology, and it's no surprise that the majority of scientific achievements between 800 and 1800 took place in the Islamic world.
    Bullshit. Totally bullshit. Modern physics, mathematics, chemistry, biology, geology, history, economy were all founded by European people. The Islamic world hasn’t done anything scientifically speaking since the 15th century, and to be fair, the overwhelming majority of Islamic scientists were Persian or Syrian and some were even seen as heretics (like Avicenna).

    Finally, to whoever earlier mentioned pedophilia in connection to Islam, I think you're forgetting to mention the sexual perversion of the Catholic church. Furthermore, Islam forbids incest and zoophilia, but certain perverse Northern European countries that have never been under Islamic control allow zoophilia and the like. Sexual perversion happens in many societies, including European Christendom.
    Islam is a perverted religion that has been founded by a pedophile. Nothing more to say, Mohamed was a degenerate who created his sect (inspired also by Nestorians and the Arabic Jews that were in the Arabic Peninsula). There isn’t one country in Europe that allow to marry childs, especially when the husband is 60 years older than the bride. The statistics of the erotic websites tells us a lot about the sexual preferences of Saudis for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    No disrespect meant but I'm glad Europe was not Muslim. As a woman one of the things I admire about the ancient Gaels was how they viewed women. Women could be leaders, divorce and be warrior queens like Queen Medb (Maeve) of Connacht or leaders of pirates like Gráinne Ní Mháille (Grace O'Malley) the Pirate Queen. They also have mighty Goddesses in their mythology.





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medb





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_O%27Malley

    It's only religions from the Middle East (and Christianity was also from that part of the world) that made women second class and not equals. At least Christianity was not as restrictive as the Muslim religion as far as women goes. I'm not a religious person anyway but do think that Christianity was a big factor in keeping the Muslim religion out of
    Europeans would have liberalised Mohamedanism had they been overcome by it, just like Christianity, to the point where it would be unrecognisable. In reality it is an inbred Arabic ethno-religion, not suited to high IQ Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dna8 View Post
    When did the English introduce the art of making sushi to Japan?
    Eh? Doesn't matter who invented it ... these are the modern popular cuisines that are often eaten here today where I live in northern Europe.... delicious curries, sushi, sweet 'n' sour chicken (Hong Kong style,) tapas, pasta, fajita wraps, and 70+ other world cuisines.

    Tradtional food here would be knickerbocker glories, angel delights, Chelsea buns, English scones with clotted cream and strawberry jam, authentic Cornish clotted-cream vanilla ice-cream, Cornish pasties, ploughmans, Irish stews, Lancashire hotpot, casseroles, porridge oats and honey, soups, Jersey milk (a special and absolutely delicious milk from Jersey in our Channel Islands) etc. Picture examples below of some of our traditional Isle foods.











    The average UK person today is likely to make a delicious curry at home with pilau rice or basmati rice, or sweet 'n' sour chicken with rice, and popular pasta dishes here which people make at home, etc... as these are popular modern dishes here in 21st century UK, regardless of their foreign origins.

    Other Northern European nations also have some delicious foods too... such as the Netherlands, for example, which has delicious foods.... and also I love Irish stews, and I love Danish apple pastries as a treat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♥ Lily ♥ View Post
    Eh? Doesn't matter who invented it ... these are the modern popular cuisines that are often eaten here today where I live in northern Europe.... delicious curries, sushi, sweet 'n' sour chicken (Hong Kong style,) tapas, pasta, fajita wraps, and 70+ other world cuisines.

    Tradtional food here would be knickerbocker glories, angel delights, Chelsea buns, English scones with clotted cream and strawberry jam, Cornish clotted vanilla ice-cream, Cornish pasties, ploughmans, stews, Lancashire hotpot, casseroles, porridge oats and honey, soups, Jersey milk (a special and absolutely delicious milk from Jersey in our Channel Islands) etc. Picture examples below of our traditional Isle foods.









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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthier View Post
    70 is far more than yours, racist pig.
    Islam is not race......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Islam is not race......
    Yep, Islam is not a race - but a fascist and despicable ideology that preaches intolerance and hatred and violence and calls for murder towards all proud non-muslims (infidels.) I think it's a very cruel, anti-democratic, and sadistic ideology. The fascist and abusive indoctrination statements in the koran books should be banned in western nations as it's offensive towards infidels. They preach hate speech against Infidels and towards all non-muslims in Islamic schools and mosques from their offensive and sick koran ideology.

    I think this offensive Koran book is even worse and a lot more abusive than Mein Kampf.


    I'm pretty tolerant of most people in life (eg;- shintoists, odinists, pagans, hindus, judeo-christians, catholics, jews, buddists... most of them are fine ... although I draw the line at jehovahs harassing people and knocking on my door. ) I don't see why we should tolerate those who move to live in our countries yet don't respect our cultures, and who are intolerant towards us, and who preach hatred and violence towards us. Muslims aren't tolerant of churches or synagogues in their Islamic nations, and muslims have bombed some beautiful Hindu Swaminarayan Temples in South Asia... and they behead and murder apostates.... they murder gay people.... they kill females who don't cover their heads... so we can see how tolerant Islam is. Yet these Islamic bigots who don't tolerate non-muslims/infidels demand that everyone else must tolerate the intolerant muslims.)

    Geert Wilders has to have constant security guards protecting him in the Netherlands after receiving death threats from muslims for speaking-out against their abusive koran ideology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie View Post
    Islam is not race......
    It's mostly brown people though.

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    Genocide, oppression and injustice. Islam is not a religion anyone should want to voluntarily take on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nazarene View Post
    Genocide, oppression and injustice. Islam is not a religion anyone should want to voluntarily take on.
    This religion like the scapegoat, should be sent back to the desert from where she has come.

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    Boudica is another example of how the Celts viewed women. I'm turning this thread into a Celtic appreciation thread. Anyway it makes me proud to be an Insular Celt.





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica

    Women were also Druids who were the intellectual elite of Celtic societies. To be a Druid required years of study.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/hist...s-celts-005910

    St Brigid of Ireland (Mary of the Gaels) was said to be a Druid.



    I really think people should study more their ancient history. All Europeans have their own unique histories. I know a lot of British and Irish ancient history but also Norse, Gauls, Roman and Greek. I don't have much knowledge of Slavic ancient history though and would be very interested in hearing about it.

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