DNA results of Hungarian forum members

**Mr.G** · 12-12-2019, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Kökény

My mom's K36

gedrosia K6 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 40.51
2 Natufian 36.7
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.5
4 East_Asian 3.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 3.38
2 Croatian 3.95
3 Czech 5.19
4 Ukrainian 5.36
5 French 5.74
6 English 5.91
7 Romanian 6.08
8 Scottish 6.39
9 Norwegian 6.61
10 Bulgarian 7.59
11 Icelandic 8.72
12 Spanish 8.8
13 Europe_LNBA 9.34
14 Russian 11.06
15 Estonian 11.14
16 Lithuanian 12.27
17 Finnish 12.46
18 Basque 12.56
19 Albanian 12.6
20 Steppe_MLBA 12.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 64.8% Romanian + 35.2% Russian @ 1.17
2 67.6% Romanian + 32.4% Finnish @ 1.37
3 83.6% Czech + 16.4% Turkish @ 1.43
4 84.1% Czech + 15.9% Balkar @ 1.5
5 74.8% Icelandic + 25.2% Turkish @ 1.56
6 89.8% Hungarian + 10.2% Balkar @ 1.59
7 50.3% Finnish + 49.7% Albanian @ 1.62
8 62.5% Bulgarian + 37.5% Finnish @ 1.63
9 82.2% English + 17.8% Balkar @ 1.67
10 93% Hungarian + 7% Turkmen @ 1.68
11 91.8% Hungarian + 8.2% Tajik @ 1.69
12 72.3% Estonian + 27.7% Cypriot @ 1.69
13 86.8% Czech + 13.2% Azeri @ 1.73
14 80.5% Scottish + 19.5% Turkish @ 1.77
15 59.7% Bulgarian + 40.3% Russian @ 1.8
16 83.4% Ukrainian + 16.6% Turkish @ 1.81
17 85.1% Ukrainian + 14.9% Cypriot @ 1.85
18 52.7% Finnish + 47.3% Greek @ 1.87
19 87.3% Croatian + 12.7% Steppe_IA @ 1.89
20 90.2% Hungarian + 9.8% Kumyk @ 1.89

Can you post your mom's Eurogenes K13 please? Thanks

**Kökény** · 12-12-2019, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.G

Can you post your mom's Eurogenes K13 please? Thanks

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.45
2 North_Atlantic 27.79
3 West_Med 15.04
4 East_Med 13.96
5 West_Asian 8.08
6 Siberian 3.11
7 Red_Sea 1.72
8 Amerindian 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.55
10 South_Asian 0.37
11 East_Asian 0.19
12 Sub-Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.5
2 Hungarian 6.67
3 Moldavian 6.68
4 Romanian 7.08
5 Croatian 8.37
6 Bulgarian 9.78
7 Austrian 10.15
8 East_German 11.61
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.42
10 South_Polish 14.71
11 West_German 15.39
12 Ukrainian 15.67
13 South_Dutch 16.86
14 French 17.38
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.8
16 Polish 18.46
17 North_Italian 18.82
18 Southwest_Russian 19.06
19 North_German 19.55
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 54.8% Greek_Thessaly + 45.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.55
2 53.4% Southwest_Finnish + 46.6% Central_Greek @ 1.7
3 75.8% Romanian + 24.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.75
4 92.5% Serbian + 7.5% Mari @ 2.09
5 51.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 48.3% Estonian @ 2.19
6 52.1% Tuscan + 47.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.19
7 90.3% Serbian + 9.7% East_Finnish @ 2.2
8 57.2% Southwest_Finnish + 42.8% South_Italian @ 2.25
9 78.2% Romanian + 21.8% Finnish @ 2.26
10 91.7% Serbian + 8.3% Chuvash @ 2.27
11 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.28
12 90.1% Serbian + 9.9% Finnish @ 2.29
13 89.1% Serbian + 10.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.31
14 88.8% Serbian + 11.2% Tatar @ 2.36
15 50.2% West_Sicilian + 49.8% Estonian @ 2.38
16 96.2% Serbian + 3.8% Selkup @ 2.41
17 54.5% Southwest_Finnish + 45.5% East_Sicilian @ 2.42
18 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% North_Swedish @ 2.43
19 96.2% Serbian + 3.8% Ket @ 2.45
20 90% Serbian + 10% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.46

**vbnetkhio** · 12-12-2019, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Kökény

My mom's K36

Mine for comparison.
i think gedrosia k6 isn't a very good calculator, it's the only one where i'm Asian. puntdnal k13 and k15 are good, they show me as Slav + Mediterranean just like Eurogenes.

puntdnal k13

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE_Europe	41.07
2	SW_Europe	33.81
3	West_Asia	14.11
4	SW_Asia	6.7
5	Siberia	1.85
6	Oceania	1.25
7	SE_Asia	0.69
8	East_Africa	0.46
9	South_Asia	0.06

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Bosnian	3.55
2	Croatian	4.12
3	Serbian	4.3
4	Moldavian	5.38
5	Hungarian	6.14
6	Slovene	6.55
7	Montenegrin	6.75
8	German_South	7.53
9	Romanian	8.14
10	Slovak	8.21
11	French	8.27
12	Belgian	8.37
13	Macedonian	8.91
14	English	9.02
15	Bulgarian	9.47
16	Scottish	9.98
17	Orcadian	10.43
18	Irish	10.69
19	Utahn_European	10.88
20	German_North	11.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	60.4%	Italian_Tuscan	+	39.6%	Russian	@	2.17
2	 	78.8%	English	+	21.2%	Turkish_Aydin	@	2.35
3	 	77.6%	Utahn_European	+	22.4%	Turkish_Kayseri	@	2.36
4	 	76.1%	Utahn_European	+	23.9%	Turkish	@	2.41
5	 	58.4%	Italian_Tuscan	+	41.6%	Mordovian	@	2.42
6	 	71.3%	Slovene	+	28.7%	Albanian	@	2.45
7	 	55.1%	Italian_Tuscan	+	44.9%	Belarusian	@	2.48
8	 	70.6%	German_North	+	29.4%	Italian_Sicilian	@	2.54
9	 	55.3%	Albanian	+	44.7%	Belarusian	@	2.55
10	 	75.4%	Utahn_European	+	24.6%	Turkish_Aydin	@	2.55
11	 	66%	Slovak	+	34%	Italian_Tuscan	@	2.56
12	 	53.8%	Ukrainian	+	46.2%	Italian_Tuscan	@	2.57
13	 	72.5%	Slovene	+	27.5%	Greek_Thessaly	@	2.57
14	 	81%	English	+	19%	Turkish_Kayseri	@	2.58
15	 	65.9%	Slovak	+	34.1%	Albanian	@	2.59
16	 	69.6%	German_North	+	30.4%	Ashkenazy_Jew	@	2.59
17	 	79.6%	English	+	20.4%	Turkish	@	2.6
18	 	60.7%	Swedish	+	39.3%	Ashkenazy_Jew	@	2.6
19	 	81.9%	Slovene	+	18.1%	Italian_Sicilian	@	2.6
20	 	78.4%	Slovene	+	21.6%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.61

puntdnal k15

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	NE_European	49.05
2	Mediterranean	31
3	Caucasian	12.48
4	SW_Asian	5.32
5	Siberian	1.04
6	Oceanian	0.75
7	Horn_Of_Africa	0.35

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Serbian	3.31
2	South_German	5.3
3	French	5.57
4	Croatian	5.63
5	Utahn_White	5.85
6	Bosnian	6.94
7	Hungarian	7.11
8	Macedonian	7.65
9	Austrian	7.66
10	Irish	7.91
11	Slovenian	8.19
12	English	8.35
13	Orcadian	8.64
14	Romanian	8.84
15	Bulgarian	9.55
16	Scottish	10.07
17	North_German	10.22
18	Montenegrin	11.31
19	Norwegian	11.6
20	Italian	13.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	53.2%	Polish	+	46.8%	Albanian	@	1.54
2	 	82.9%	Scottish	+	17.1%	Samaritian	@	1.6
3	 	88.4%	Croatian	+	11.6%	Sardinian	@	1.63
4	 	71.6%	Austrian	+	28.4%	Albanian	@	1.65
5	 	66.2%	Italian	+	33.8%	Lithuanian	@	1.66
6	 	53.7%	Austrian	+	46.3%	Romanian	@	1.67
7	 	64.4%	Austrian	+	35.6%	Italian	@	1.68
8	 	65.7%	Romanian	+	34.3%	Polish	@	1.68
9	 	59.9%	Austrian	+	40.1%	Montenegrin	@	1.7
10	 	62.6%	Italian	+	37.4%	Belarusian	@	1.71
11	 	86%	English	+	14%	Druze	@	1.73
12	 	85.1%	Orcadian	+	14.9%	Samaritian	@	1.74
13	 	73.4%	Austrian	+	26.6%	Tuscan	@	1.75
14	 	59.8%	Montenegrin	+	40.2%	Polish	@	1.75
15	 	55.3%	Polish	+	44.7%	Tuscan	@	1.76
16	 	55.7%	Austrian	+	44.3%	Bulgarian	@	1.77
17	 	83.5%	Scottish	+	16.5%	Druze	@	1.78
18	 	85.6%	English	+	14.4%	Samaritian	@	1.8
19	 	79.7%	Norwegian	+	20.3%	Cypriot	@	1.81
20	 	58%	Swedish	+	42%	Albanian	@	1.81

gedrosia ancient eurasia k6

Code:

Admix Results (sorted):

#	Population	Percent
1	West_European_Hunter_Gartherer	40.83
2	Natufian	38.78
3	Ancestral_North_Eurasian	16.6
4	East_Asian	3.79

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Croatian	3.59
2	Hungarian	4.08
3	French	4.68
4	Romanian	5.13
5	Spanish	5.89
6	Czech	6.41
7	English	6.63
8	Bulgarian	6.88
9	Ukrainian	7.45
10	Scottish	7.58
11	Norwegian	8.45
12	Icelandic	10.05
13	Basque	10.15
14	Europe_LNBA	11.13
15	Albanian	11.34
16	Estonian	12.88
17	Greek	12.96
18	Russian	13.16
19	Lithuanian	13.74
20	Finnish	14.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
1	 	90.2%	French	+	9.8%	Turkmen	@	1.77
2	 	97.3%	Croatian	+	2.7%	Dai	@	1.95
3	 	97.3%	Croatian	+	2.7%	Ulchi	@	1.97
4	 	97.1%	Croatian	+	2.9%	Mongola	@	1.97
5	 	97.3%	Croatian	+	2.7%	Han	@	1.98
6	 	97.3%	Croatian	+	2.7%	Ami	@	2.01
7	 	91.8%	French	+	8.2%	Uzbek	@	2.04
8	 	97.2%	Croatian	+	2.8%	Nganasan	@	2.07
9	 	85.8%	Estonian	+	14.2%	Levant_N	@	2.07
10	 	85.8%	Estonian	+	14.2%	Natufian	@	2.07
11	 	96.7%	Croatian	+	3.3%	Kalmyk	@	2.1
12	 	77.8%	Basque	+	22.2%	Tajik	@	2.12
13	 	93.3%	French	+	6.7%	Uygur	@	2.14
14	 	93.4%	French	+	6.6%	Hazara	@	2.14
15	 	97.2%	Croatian	+	2.8%	Tibetan	@	2.15
16	 	96.5%	Croatian	+	3.5%	Altaian	@	2.21
17	 	96.3%	Croatian	+	3.7%	Kyrgyz	@	2.23
18	 	83.1%	Spanish	+	16.9%	Steppe_IA	@	2.24
19	 	97.2%	Croatian	+	2.8%	Eskimo	@	2.33
20	 	97.1%	Croatian	+	2.9%	Cambodian	@	2.36

**Mr.G** · 12-12-2019, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kökény

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.45
2 North_Atlantic 27.79
3 West_Med 15.04
4 East_Med 13.96
5 West_Asian 8.08
6 Siberian 3.11
7 Red_Sea 1.72
8 Amerindian 0.66
9 Oceanian 0.55
10 South_Asian 0.37
11 East_Asian 0.19
12 Sub-Saharan 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.5
2 Hungarian 6.67
3 Moldavian 6.68
4 Romanian 7.08
5 Croatian 8.37
6 Bulgarian 9.78
7 Austrian 10.15
8 East_German 11.61
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.42
10 South_Polish 14.71
11 West_German 15.39
12 Ukrainian 15.67
13 South_Dutch 16.86
14 French 17.38
15 Greek_Thessaly 17.8
16 Polish 18.46
17 North_Italian 18.82
18 Southwest_Russian 19.06
19 North_German 19.55
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 54.8% Greek_Thessaly + 45.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.55
2 53.4% Southwest_Finnish + 46.6% Central_Greek @ 1.7
3 75.8% Romanian + 24.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.75
4 92.5% Serbian + 7.5% Mari @ 2.09
5 51.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 48.3% Estonian @ 2.19
6 52.1% Tuscan + 47.9% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.19
7 90.3% Serbian + 9.7% East_Finnish @ 2.2
8 57.2% Southwest_Finnish + 42.8% South_Italian @ 2.25
9 78.2% Romanian + 21.8% Finnish @ 2.26
10 91.7% Serbian + 8.3% Chuvash @ 2.27
11 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.28
12 90.1% Serbian + 9.9% Finnish @ 2.29
13 89.1% Serbian + 10.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.31
14 88.8% Serbian + 11.2% Tatar @ 2.36
15 50.2% West_Sicilian + 49.8% Estonian @ 2.38
16 96.2% Serbian + 3.8% Selkup @ 2.41
17 54.5% Southwest_Finnish + 45.5% East_Sicilian @ 2.42
18 68.8% Bulgarian + 31.2% North_Swedish @ 2.43
19 96.2% Serbian + 3.8% Ket @ 2.45
20 90% Serbian + 10% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.46

I must apologize for this ahead of time, I'm an anthro-nerd and could not help myself

I compared the differences between your K13 and your mom's, to try and get a sense of what you inherited from each parent. This is not a perfect method, but it is simple and can give important clues. Here is what I did, let me use your Baltic score, as an example:

Your mom= 28.45
You= 23.21

The difference between you and your mom is 5.24%. For you to move 5.24% down (that's a significant shift, considering your ancestry), your dad may very well score only 17.97% Baltic. This would put you right between them, you see. Now, that may not be his exact number, but I'd bet the farm he would score the same or less Baltic than you. So, by examining the difference, we get clues. Here is your father's theoretical numbers, if we assume you are the mid-point between your parents.

North Atlantic -33.17
Baltic -17.97
East Med -15.5
West Med -12.12
West Asian -9.68
Siberian -2.81
Red Sea -1.26
Amerindian -.82
Oceanian -1.45
South Asian -2.85
East Asian -1.87
SSA --

Some observations:
Baltic is low, North Atlantic is high. This seems unusual for the region, however we have not seen many Szekely results. The big difference between you and your mom in these two categories suggests this is in fact the case (low Baltic, high North Sea for your dad), but probably not as exaggerated as above.

Another thing I see in the results is lots of minor exotic admixture. Maybe this is consistent in Szekelys, it appears my father had a small boost in the non-European admix too, so this pattern probably exists in Hungarians from Hungary as well.

**Jana** · 12-12-2019, 02:17 PM

Her mother is closer to Hungarians from Hungary, than to Romanians. Her father may plot as southern Romanian/Bulgarian theoretically.

**Kökény** · 12-12-2019, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.G

I must apologize for this ahead of time, I'm an anthro-nerd and could not help myself

I compared the differences between your K13 and your mom's, to try and get a sense of what you inherited from each parent. This is not a perfect method, but it is simple and can give important clues. Here is what I did, let me use your Baltic score, as an example:

Your mom= 28.45
You= 23.21

The difference between you and your mom is 5.24%. For you to move 5.24% down (that's a significant shift, considering your ancestry), your dad may very well score only 17.97% Baltic. This would put you right between them, you see. Now, that may not be his exact number, but I'd bet the farm he would score the same or less Baltic than you. So, by examining the difference, we get clues. Here is your father's theoretical numbers, if we assume you are the mid-point between your parents.

North Atlantic -33.17
Baltic -17.97
East Med -15.5
West Med -12.12
West Asian -9.68
Siberian -2.81
Red Sea -1.26
Amerindian -.82
Oceanian -1.45
South Asian -2.85
East Asian -1.87
SSA --

Some observations:
Baltic is low, North Atlantic is high. This seems unusual for the region, however we have not seen many Szekely results. The big difference between you and your mom in these two categories suggests this is in fact the case (low Baltic, high North Sea for your dad), but probably not as exaggerated as above.

Another thing I see in the results is lots of minor exotic admixture. Maybe this is consistent in Szekelys, it appears my father had a small boost in the non-European admix too, so this pattern probably exists in Hungarians from Hungary as well.

You don't have to apologize! In fact, I really appreciate it that you are this interested in our results.

Actually I really like it when people are being "nerds" about the things they are interested in. It shows that you are really passionate about genetics.
And I'm really thankful for your observations. It helps me a lot too.

**WeirdLookingFellow** · 12-12-2019, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.G

I must apologize for this ahead of time, I'm an anthro-nerd and could not help myself

I compared the differences between your K13 and your mom's, to try and get a sense of what you inherited from each parent. This is not a perfect method, but it is simple and can give important clues. Here is what I did, let me use your Baltic score, as an example:

Your mom= 28.45
You= 23.21

The difference between you and your mom is 5.24%. For you to move 5.24% down (that's a significant shift, considering your ancestry), your dad may very well score only 17.97% Baltic. This would put you right between them, you see. Now, that may not be his exact number, but I'd bet the farm he would score the same or less Baltic than you. So, by examining the difference, we get clues. Here is your father's theoretical numbers, if we assume you are the mid-point between your parents.

North Atlantic -33.17
Baltic -17.97
East Med -15.5
West Med -12.12
West Asian -9.68
Siberian -2.81
Red Sea -1.26
Amerindian -.82
Oceanian -1.45
South Asian -2.85
East Asian -1.87
SSA --

Some of these I wouldn't bother taking as 50-50. There have been cases where these being mostly ancestral admixture containable by all individuals of a region, that even though the father scores let's say 0.59% Red Sea and Mom 0.28% Red Sea, that the child might score 1% or more, which, of course, is more than the two combined.

Even the Siberian and East Asian might simply be a random manifestation and registry, as both ancestors might contain this old admixture at an ancient level. Only if there is an an actual ancestor that has these admixes as a standard it would be agreeable to split it equally and say "I have 1.5%, mom has none, therefore it's clear that dad has 3%".

I've seen this on the user Dudududu (hopefully enough du's), exactly on the Red Sea part.

**Mr.G** · 12-12-2019, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Some of these I wouldn't bother taking as 50-50. There have been cases where these being mostly ancestral admixture containable by all individuals of a region, that even though the father scores let's say 0.59% Red Sea and Mom 0.28% Red Sea, that the child might score 1% or more, which, of course, is more than the two combined.

Even the Siberian and East Asian might simply be a random manifestation and registry, as both ancestors might contain this old admixture at an ancient level. Only if there is an an actual ancestor that has these admixes as a standard it would be agreeable to split it equally and say "I have 1.5%, mom has none, therefore it's clear that dad has 3%".

I've seen this on the user Dudududu (hopefully enough du's), exactly on the Red Sea part.

Great point man. Especially because her parents are from the same region, these small admixes i.e. Siberian, Red Sea etc. may sort of be randomly inherited and ancient.

But I stand by my assertion that the big components, especially when there is a sizable gap, like the Baltic in her case, may indicate some significant variation between her parents. If you take a look at the K36 plotting, her mom is closest to Hungary, while Kokeny shifts notably South. Indicates to me that her dad may be quite South shifted. But I know it does not always work like this, case in point, how Feiichy's family plots.

P.S. I think it's Dududud

**WeirdLookingFellow** · 12-12-2019, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.G

Great point man. Especially because her parents are from the same region, these small admixes i.e. Siberian, Red Sea etc. may sort of be randomly inherited and ancient.

But I stand by my assertion that the big components, especially when there is a sizable gap, like the Baltic in her case, may indicate some significant variation between her parents. If you take a look at the K36 plotting, her mom is closest to Hungary, while Kokeny shifts notably South. Indicates to me that her dad may be quite South shifted. But I know it does not always work like this, case in point, how Feiichy's family plots.

P.S. I think it's Dududud

You are right that her dad is quite south shifted, it's rather clear, though the estimated very low Baltic and high Atlantic is very strange. Only a German-Greek or something of the sort would score that low, Bulgarians and Romanians all score over 20%.