and now a French - Turkish war !

[Jehan]

Well the title is obviously exagerate but an incident took place.
A french boat had been agressively approach by some turkish boats during some NATO operations. No deaths or fire but it's enought serious to ask big diplomatic questions about turkish memberships inside NATO.

The french vessels had a mission to control weapons traffis at the destination of libya and the turkish made their best to make this mission fail.
I'am not a fan of NATO but the expulsion of Turkey might be a big change in the diplomatic world and modify a lot of relationships.

[sean]

Turkey is NATO's favourite rogue state, there is no provision allowing for the removal of a member from NATO. Also by design any rule change must be done with unanimous consent. Thus it is impossible to expel a member unless that member alongside everyone else agrees to it.

In practice this means Turkey stays, so they wouldn't do shit if Turkey straight up sunk a French ship. Unless other members really want to go to war with Turkey, in which case they'll leave NATO and create another alliance and go to war with NATO.

[The Lawspeaker]

Turkey should have been levelled a long time ago.

[Ülev]

^^
btw
Turkey still blocking defence plan for Baltics and Poland
https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-englis...ics-and-poland

[Jehan]

Turkey is NATO's favourite rogue state, there is no provision allowing for the removal of a member from NATO. Also by design any rule change must be done with unanimous consent. Thus it is impossible to expel a member unless that member alongside everyone else agrees to it.

In practice this means Turkey stays, so they wouldn't do shit if Turkey straight up sunk a French ship. Unless other members really want to go to war with Turkey, in which case they'll leave NATO and create another alliance and go to war with NATO.

But that's not an isolate incident. It's now years that Turkey doesn't respect the treaty and that the relations are colder and colder.
Probably everything will be forget and everybody will move on like it happened when Turkey made a deal with russia for missiles. Or Turkey might just stay a NATO member by the name and nobdy care about it. I beleive that's most likely scenario.

But I don't know there is like tense in the air, maybe some stuff will changes.

[Korialstrasz]

Everything Turkey does internationally is to give the ruling party a leverage in domestic politics. The entirety of the state's capabilities are mobilized to ensure just that. As a result, any rational course of action just goes right out the window.

There's no real strategic goal whatsoever but they are still too meek to attempt anything as bold as burning the bridges with NATO.
I don't think NATO would want that to happen just because they don't like Turkey.

Turkey has a terrible future and it has brought this upon itself. Secular and west-aligned Turkey was merely a dream.
Thankfully, I'll be having no part of it.

[Blondie]

Turkey is NATO member because it was good place for western nuclear weapons against Russia during the Cold War, but now we don't need them, also the turkish politicians are very anti-european as always.

[coolfrenchguy]

Well the title is obviously exagerate but an incident took place.
A french boat had been agressively approach by some turkish boats during some NATO operations. No deaths or fire but it's enought serious to ask big diplomatic questions about turkish memberships inside NATO.

The french vessels had a mission to control weapons traffis at the destination of libya and the turkish made their best to make this mission fail.
I'am not a fan of NATO but the expulsion of Turkey might be a big change in the diplomatic world and modify a lot of relationships.

there is more,indeed even we don't like macron specially there is a true diplomatic crisis between him and Herr Dogan ,since than he was insulted by him,of flat encenphalogramm, any president or leader will not been very happy to be insulted like that,and of whatever political board,remember Jacques Chirac:
"what do you want? than i go back to my plane and to get back to france?" to the israelian security secret service agent (mossad) who was too much on the nerves and who was too much sticking him,"there is no danger, stop this provocation!",ok the context was a bit different but with some leaders there is some limits who don't need to be reached,and if Herr Dogan is still running like that it will end alone ,even Putin is letting him down
there is more read under
Leaked document reveals secret Turkish plan to invade Greece


By Michael Lord 15 June 2020

A leaked high-level Turkish military document has revealed the existence of secret Turkish plans to invade Greece and Armenia. The plan for an invasion of Greece is particularly baffling considering that both countries are members of the NATO alliance, and allegedly allies, but unsurprising given an escalation in Turkey’s provocative moves against its European neighbor recently.
The documents were revealed and republished in a report by Nordic Monitor. The document, which is a PowerPoint presentation that had been prepared for the Turkish General Staff, was discovered in a file that was used in a court case stemming from an investigation into the role of the General Staff in the failed coup against Turkey’s President, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. The coup was attempted in July 2016, and some elements of the Turkish Armed Forces participated in it.
Serdar Coşkun, the Prosecutor who was assigned to the investigation, ordered all of the e-mails exchanged between officers at Turkey’s General Staff headquarters from the previous two months to be collected for the investigation in August 2016. Three officers ended up being indicted, and the e-mails were turned over to Ankara’s 17th High Criminal Court as part of the indictment. This presentation was one of the documents that was forwarded.
The presentation bears the date of June 13, 2014 and has the name “Turkish Armed Forces Çaka Bey Operation Planning Directive.” It lists planned offensives against Greece, plus the dates when they were first developed. The document does not contain any details of the invasion plans, however, given that these are marked classified and, under Turkish military procedures, cannot be transmitted by e-mail for security reasons. But it does confirm the existence of Turkey’s invasion plans.
Çaka Bey was an eleventh-century Turkish naval commander who conquered several of Greece’s islands in the Aegean Sea as well as some of the Greek mainland’s territory along the Aegean coast during the era of the Byzantine Empire. Çaka Bey is seen as a national hero in Turkey and is considered the founder of the Turkish navy.
It appears that the presentation was drawn up as part of a contingency plan that was being developed in regard to the Syrian War. The Turkish General Staff was planning to move forces to the Syrian border at the time and wanted to ensure that this wouldn’t jeopardize their ability to launch offensives against their other neighbors, such as Greece.
Also included in the leak is a letter written by Lieutenant General Uğur Tarçın, Chief of General Staff Communications, in March 2017 in which he warned the General Staff’s legal department that the correspondence that had been forwarded for the investigation included secret documents pertaining to national security which should not be shared with unauthorised personnel. This indicates that the General Staff was keen to ensure that the existence of the invasion plans did not reach the outside world. Turkish prosecutors appear to have ignored his warning, however.
The document also references Operation Altay, which is a plan for an offensive against Armenia, which was already known.
Turkey has long had an antagonistic relationship with Greece, and it has been deteriorating even further as of late. In February, Erdogan unleashed a new wave of illegal migrants upon the Greek border which led to nightly battles between migrants — often supported by the Turkish police — and Greek security forces, reinforced by personnel from several other European Union member states. But the Turkish Armed Forces have also been making provocative moves by violating Greece’s territorial waters and sending fighter aircraft into its airspace. Turkish ground forces have also fired weapons into Greek territory along the border, and Turkish soldiers have even invaded and seized a patch of Greek land in the Evros region, as previously reported by Voice of Europe.
How NATO will react if two of its members go to all-out war remains to be seen.


a war between france and turkey is less than probable,but some tensions for sure,the turkish ambassador in france was recalled and kicked out last year

[coolfrenchguy]

Turkey is NATO member because it was good place for western nuclear weapons against Russia during the Cold War, but now we don't need them, also the turkish politicians are very anti-european as always.

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