Who are the purest Aryans?

[Kamal900]

The earliest Aryans were genetically the most similar to today's Germanic and the Insular Celtic peoples of Europe, not to today's Aryans or Indo-Iranians, so Hitler's notion that the Aryans would have resembled very closely with Germanic peoples isn't far fetched really.

[Kamal900]

Sintashta is pretty close to modern day Euros actually. It's somewhat lower EEF shifted compared to modern day Euros instead trades it with CHG. But CHG can be found in modern day Euros as well. And differences aren't that much either. Sintashta could be 100% modern day European imo.

They cluster the closest with Germanic and the Insular Celtic peoples of Europe, yeah.

[Kamal900]

Indo-Aryans are a result of Iranian colonization though, that is like calling Mexicans Spanish, Indo-Aryans are Aryan derived for sure though which is why there is J within groups like the Scythians. Indo-Aryans is also pretty broad and describing a lot of different people. A Corded and Yamna are related genetically and have culturally but they aren't the same. Also there were real Iranian Aryans in the steppe but they were largely destroyed and the rest fled into Northern Iran/Iraq as a result of the Mongol Invasion of the steppe. the Khwarazmites were the real Aryans imo as they were true Iranians. But that's just my opinion

The earliest Aryans or Indo-Iranians were genetically much more closer to you and other Germanic peoples of Europe and the Insular Celts of the British Isles than to any modern day Indo-Iranians. I mean, Hitler was basically half right on that.

[NPKTO]

Here is the highest quality Srubnaya sample and even it is modeled as 25% SC Asian. None of the inhabitants of Ariana was 100% Srubnaya or Sintashta of course. If the highest steppe Aryans were 40% Sintashta so they would be 0.4 x 0.75 = 30% European. Other Aryans would be much less of course.

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 52.76
2 Atlantic_Med 22.02
3 Gedrosia 19.06
4 Caucasus 3.41
5 Siberian 1.40
6 Sub_Saharan 1.34


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swedish_Dodecad @ 16.480244
2 German_Dodecad @ 18.082424
3 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 18.164101
4 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 20.625237
5 Dutch_Dodecad @ 20.803783
6 Hungarians_Behar @ 21.035147
7 Argyll_1000Genomes @ 21.740650
8 Orkney_1000Genomes @ 22.353182
9 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 22.709599
10 English_Dodecad @ 22.899597
11 Orcadian_HGDP @ 23.058844
12 Polish_Dodecad @ 23.244364
13 Kent_1000Genomes @ 23.449646
14 Irish_Dodecad @ 23.504055
15 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 23.785099
16 Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 23.995304
17 Mixed_Slav_Dodecad @ 24.455431
18 British_Dodecad @ 24.772257
19 Russian_Dodecad @ 24.994476
20 Russian_HGDP @ 25.001371

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +50% Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 11.973733


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanians_Behar +25% Makrani_HGDP +25% Orcadian_HGDP @ 6.801188


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Brahui_HGDP + British_Isles_Dodecad + Lithuanians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar @ 6.646989
2 Brahui_HGDP + Lithuanians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Orkney_1000Genomes @ 6.666158
3 Brahui_HGDP + Lithuanians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Orcadian_HGDP @ 6.670878

Gedmatch is pretty misleading. We can't possibly use modern day mixed people to model ancients. Gedrosia it's picking up here is actually more like CHG.

Here's an nmonte run that compares Sintashta and Swedish. The only big difference I see here is Sintashta picks up more Yamnaya and Swedish gets more Globular Amphora/EEF, which makes sense because Sintashta was geographically more Eastern & closer to Pontic Caspian Steppe.

Target: RUS_Sintashta_MLBA
Distance: 2.4052% / 0.02405160
60.0 Yamnaya_UKR
31.0 UKR_Globular_Amphora
9.0 RUS_Samara_HG

Target: Swedish
Distance: 3.7685% / 0.03768541
47.0 UKR_Globular_Amphora
44.0 Yamnaya_UKR
5.6 RUS_Samara_HG
3.4 WHG

[Finnish Swede]

UFO men? Elves?

Seriously; who cares who Aryans were?

[PaleoEuropean]

UFO men? Elves?

Seriously; who cares who Aryans were?

Yea we are all mutts anyway. Our ancestors couldn't even keep themselves from banging Neanderthals and Denisovans.

[PaleoEuropean]

"arya" is from Black Sea PIE "eryo", and best preserved in Indo-Iranian, but also found in Greek "aristos" (best), a noble aristocrat, Irish "Eireann" (of Ireland, originally "of Aryans" = land of Aryans), cognate with Iran, originally Aryanam.

the name of Ireland has nothing to do with the word Aryan. Eire comes allegedly from a pre-Celtic I.E word for abundant and comes more specifically from a Goddess. Ireland means the land of abundance. The name Ireland is also a recent invention, the Ancient Gaels didn't call it Ireland and they didn't call themselves Aryan nor probably even know what an Aryan was. Aryan wasn't even in the European vocabulary until the 19th century. The people who settled Ireland were already mixed and thousands of years removed from the steppe, these people weren't like running claiming to be anyone but Europeans. The settlement of Ireland by Beakers was in very small waves and took thousands of years, most the beakers probably had no connection to each other outside culture and distant genetic ties.

[Arhat]

The earliest Aryans or Indo-Iranians were genetically much more closer to you and other Germanic peoples of Europe and the Insular Celts of the British Isles than to any modern day Indo-Iranians. I mean, Hitler was basically half right on that.

This is a weird argument. Based on the same logic someone can argue that Swedes are more Slavic than Bulgarians because they would be overall closer to them despite having almost no direct ancestry from them. Proto-Aryans would cluster north of modern day Europeans and only have 1/3 light people. So despite being genetically siper-european they would not look nordic and i don't really see the point of North Europeans claiming them. It is like Swedes claiming to be more celtic than Iberians because Swedes would rather cluster with Proto-Celts in terms of Steppe/EEF/HG ancestry.

[Arhat]

Here is the highest quality Srubnaya sample and even it is modeled as 25% SC Asian. None of the inhabitants of Ariana was 100% Srubnaya or Sintashta of course. If the highest steppe Aryans were 40% Sintashta so they would be 0.4 x 0.75 = 30% European. Other Aryans would be much less of course.

Dodecad K12b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

The GEDmatch version of Oracle may give slightly different results from Dienekes version. The GEDmatch version uses FST weighting in its calculations.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 52.76
2 Atlantic_Med 22.02
3 Gedrosia 19.06
4 Caucasus 3.41
5 Siberian 1.40
6 Sub_Saharan 1.34


Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Swedish_Dodecad @ 16.480244
2 German_Dodecad @ 18.082424
3 Norwegian_Dodecad @ 18.164101
4 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 20.625237
5 Dutch_Dodecad @ 20.803783
6 Hungarians_Behar @ 21.035147
7 Argyll_1000Genomes @ 21.740650
8 Orkney_1000Genomes @ 22.353182
9 CEU30_1000Genomes @ 22.709599
10 English_Dodecad @ 22.899597
11 Orcadian_HGDP @ 23.058844
12 Polish_Dodecad @ 23.244364
13 Kent_1000Genomes @ 23.449646
14 Irish_Dodecad @ 23.504055
15 British_Isles_Dodecad @ 23.785099
16 Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 23.995304
17 Mixed_Slav_Dodecad @ 24.455431
18 British_Dodecad @ 24.772257
19 Russian_Dodecad @ 24.994476
20 Russian_HGDP @ 25.001371

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll_1000Genomes +50% Mordovians_Yunusbayev @ 11.973733


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanians_Behar +25% Makrani_HGDP +25% Orcadian_HGDP @ 6.801188


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Brahui_HGDP + British_Isles_Dodecad + Lithuanians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar @ 6.646989
2 Brahui_HGDP + Lithuanians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Orkney_1000Genomes @ 6.666158
3 Brahui_HGDP + Lithuanians_Behar + Lithuanians_Behar + Orcadian_HGDP @ 6.670878

Can people not just stop using outdated gedmacht calcs for ancient people. Jist look at the huge distance and no Proto-Aryans were not such kind of mix. They had no Gedrosian ancestry and would cluster closesr with some Central Russians.

[Finnish Swede]

Yea we are all mutts anyway. Our ancestors couldn't even keep themselves from banging Neanderthals and Denisovans.

Just meant: Our ancestors will not make us greater or something (behalf of us).