Macedonian and Bulgarians

[Jana]

Posting map of Ohrid archbishopric is not mean that everything west of it was Catholic.
Even in Bosnia there were no Catholics until 1291 when franciscans came. Hungary made few Crusades against Bosnia to catholicize it.

Lol. In Bosnia spread Patareni sect. Otherwise Bosnia was Catholic Land, except Upper Podrinje.

[Jana]

According to you Nemanjići converted East Herzegovina on Orthodoxy (except Trebinje and Popovo polje). Trebinje and half of Popovo Polje became Orthodox in 16th and 17th centuty.
Take care, our project of orthodoxization of Balkan Catholics (now sponsored by Russia) is still live!

I am in contact with Bosnian Serb who is I-A5913, he believes ultimate origin of families with our clade is Popovo Polje. Which is pretty possible.
We didn't get into debate what was ethnic origin of Slavs settled there, only thing clear is that this marker is Slavic.

[Varda]

Ok, now that you see the evidence, no more claiming we are a communist created nation.

There is many records of Šumadians, Syrmians, Bosnians, Banatians, Herzegovinians etc. and it's clear to everyone that are not ethnicities but regional names.

[pulstar]

Ok, now that you see the evidence, no more claiming we are a communist created nation.

Thumb him up or he'll feel rejected

[Varda]

I am in contact with Bosnian Serb who is I-A5913, he believes ultimate origin of families with our clade is Popovo Polje. Which is pretty possible.
We didn't get into debate what was ethnic origin of Slavs settled there, only thing clear is that this marker is Slavic.

I thought further origin of your ćaća paternal line is in East Herzegovina or Montenegro.
His clade is different from Western Herzegovinian (aka Bunjevac) clade.

[Jana]

I thought further origin of your ćaća paternal line is in East Herzegovina or Montenegro.
His clade is different from Western Herzegovinian (aka Bunjevac) clade.

Surname has centre in Klobuk, but Popovo Polje could be place where Slavs with this HG initaly settled.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A5913/

All people in this branch are Slavic except that Finnish guy who descends from Russian POW (he wrote that on FTDNA I2 project)
There are more Bosniaks and southern Croats who are A5913 (according to Serb I speak with) but they didn't do big Y.

Istrian guy in the branch is Croat with deeper origin from western Bosnia.

[kundur]

Brainwashed semi-Uniate anti-Serbian Montenegrins who worship Catholics promote Venetian coat of arms in Kotor area as native, this one Attachment 101975

I see. Croat and overall Catholic plans have been working perfectly for 30 years. Those people operate quietly but efficiently.
As secessionist Croats and Slovenes had started the Yugoslav civil war in early 1990's and were having hard times against the Yugoslav People's Army, controlled by Serbs, they literally found some secessionist Islamists in Bosnia and pushed them to revolt against the Belgrade Central authority.

This plan worked perfectly for those Catholics. Since Serbs diverted focus, forces and attention to Bosnia, the Croats were relieved and crushed the weakened Serbian side. Later in 1999, the international system also threw the Albanians from Kosovo upon the Serbs, that created further problems for Serbs.

All the while, Catholics were quietly enforcing their agenda, with success, in Montenegro and elsewhere when Serbs had to take care of all those problems caused by Muslim secessionists. Now, the Orthodox Block has won the elections in Montenegro. But there is still long way to go for Serbs to have a permanent foothold on the coast of the Adriatic.

[Varda]

Surname has centre in Klobuk, but Popovo Polje could be place where Slavs with this HG initaly settled.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A5913/

All people in this branch are Slavic except that Finnish guy who descends from Russian POW (he wrote that on FTDNA I2 project)
There are more Bosniaks and southern Croats who are A5913 (according to Serb I speak with) but they didn't do big Y.

Istrian guy in the branch is Croat with deeper origin from western Bosnia.

Migration of East Herzegovinians towards the west was happening even before Ottomans.

For example, Serbian family Dragičević from Prebilovci near Čapljina is recorded there in 1481 in same year when Ottoman conquered Herzegovina. It's obvious that they lived in Prebilovci before Ottomans. Their deeper origin is probably from Popovo Polje, and they moved from Popovo Polje to Prebilovci few decades before Ottomans. In one document from 1416 which refers on assingment of half župa Konavle to Dubrovnik is mentioned knez Đurađ Dragičević as a withness with other noblemans of Tvrko Tvrtković. Knez Đurađ Dragičević was most likely from Popovo Polje.
About Dragičevići from Prebilovci (around the middle) https://prebilovci.net/index.php/lat...07-17-05-29-24
Dragičevići lived in Prebilovci until 1992, some of them returned in recent years.
Prebilovci are known by ustashian massacre on Serbs in WW2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prebilovci_massacre

[Varda]

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[Mingle]

Nations aren't blood groups. There is extremely small difference genetically and linguistically between Scandinavians and nobody in their right mind would deny them their states, languages and identity.
Only in primitive Balkans where people (not you necessarily) think they have right to command to others what their nation is.

This has nothing to do with being in the Balkans. It has to do with how old the nation is. The older nations get more legitimacy while those formed more recently don't.