How Finns became less Asian due to Indo-Europeans

[Odelia]

Finns are as European as the most admixed Sicilians and Maltese. Actually Cyprians and even Lebanese people are more European admixed than Finns...Finns are mostly connected with northeast Asians, genetics wise. Of the Uralic speakers, Hungarians are actually mostly European. Finns are just not. Their blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't make them European. Same way light skinned West Asians are not European because of their features. And Finns have non-Caucasoid, Mongoloid admixture. But Hitler complexed Nordic jerkoffs will make them European... Jajajajaja....

[Finnish Swede]

Finns are as European as the most admixed Sicilians and Maltese. Actually Cyprians and even Lebanese people are more European admixed than Finns...Finns are mostly connected with northeast Asians, genetics wise. Of the Uralic speakers, Hungarians are actually mostly European. Finns are just not. Their blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't make them European. Same way light skinned West Asians are not European because of their features. And Finns have non-Caucasoid, Mongoloid admixture. But Hitler complexed Nordic jerkoffs will make them European... Jajajajaja....

Now why be Europeans then you can be Finns ?

Besides, and bit more seriously, most of Europeans (ethnics) simply sucks. Not all, but much too many. One way or another. Deal with that. So that is nothing like compliment.

Free tip for next time: If you really want to try to make Finns feel bad or not good enough ... using word Europeans will help very little. Nope, there would be much better word for that. But if you use that, lots of Europeans will be blocked outside as well.

[Östsvensk]

Now why be Europeans then you can be Finns ?

Besides, and bit more seriously, most of Europeans (ethnics) simply sucks. Not all, but much too many. One way or another. Deal with that. So that is nothing like compliment.

Free tip for next time: If you really want to try to make Finns feel bad or not good enough ... using word Europeans will help very little. Nope, there would be much better word for that. But if you use that, lots of Europeans will be blocked outside as well.

She is only being a Frenchie.

http://www.biokemia.fi/Haeckels_Faces.htm

Let us quote Gobineau, recommended by Haeckel the scientist, on Finns, then:

"creatures so incontrovertibly ugly and repulsive as the ordinary specimens of the Mongolian race… These are all people of low stature, with wide faces and prominent cheek-bones, yellowish or dirty brown in colour---The Finns have always been weak, unintelligent, and oppressed---in the south through miscegenation with the Negroes and in the north with the Lapps." (Gobineau, Inequality of Races (1853-55, 1967).

To cut the short of a less romantic drama, Joseph Arthur "Comte" de Gobineau (1816-1882) proclaimed that a Finn does not have a stronger desire than to have a man of noble blood to spend a night on his tent with his wife or daughter. Gobineau divided mankind in three races: the White, the Black, and the Yellow (the Good, the Bad - and the Ugly, in essence). The Yellow were extremely ugly, and the group included not only Finns, but also Mongols and Tartars. Finnish historian Aira Kemiläinen writes (1998 p. 85):

"Finns were a primitive aboriginal people in Europe and in Asia. They were short of stature and deformed. Their limbs were feeble and they had protruding cheekbones and slanting eyes. They were more yellow than the Chinese, who had the blood of the White race. How else could the Chinese have created a high culture? Even the Hungarians were 'white Huns'; they had White ancestors… In an Aryan society at the top were Aryans, in the second class were the Celtic and Slavic peoples and men and women of mixed blood. The deformed Finns were lowest."---"

[Creoda]

She is only being a Frenchie.

I didn't know French wrote jajajaja like spics.

[Lemminkäinen]

This was very correct. I hope that also Finnish geneticists and historians listen this video. It is not an absolut truth, but it is closest the truth I have listen since the recent generation of Finnish researcher appeared and started to build fairy tales about our history.

Today there is less reasonable research about the Finnish prehistory than we had 40 years ago, despite the fact we have more scientific methods to see the truth.

And what is the reason why our researchers started to make fairy tales? Because they are too inclined to pleasure all those opinions they hear from foreign colleagues. Now I am more positive than I have been for a while, because foreign researchers start to change mindsets and focus on the facts which Finnish researchers knew already 40 years ago.

This recents generation of Finnish researchers is a bunch of bastards who try to pleasure everyone who help them in their careers.

[Lemminkäinen]

Furthermore, we have a small bunch of agitators who waste their life in hatred against Indoeuropean history. They have a mindset comparable to Covid shot haters, taking into account the difference. Taking the shot or not is a personal decision, not against science until people don't start to impact on other people. It is not a problem if those Finnish IE haters keep their ideas in their heads, but this is not the question.

[Östsvensk]

I didn't know French wrote jajajaja like spics.

I noticed that she seemed to contradict herself quite a few times. In other threads, she attacked Spaniards for being 'darker' than other Europeans, but here she says that blond hair and blue eyes does not make one European. In this very post, she says that Lebanese and Cypriots have more European admixture than Finns, but then goes on to state at the end that West Asian is not the same as European (Christian Lebanese Eline Shamoun got 100% West Asian on 23andme f.e.). She also says at the end that Finns have non-Caucasoid admixture, too, after just saying that they were mostly Asian "genetics wise".

[Sandis]

We need to analyze more and rely less on emotions.
Borrowings from Indo-European languages to Finnic languages occurred in different time periods - this is a well known fact.
By genetic research Bolshoy Oleny Island inhabitants, presumed as Uralic speakers ~1500 BC had about 1/2 Siberian, 1/2 EHG component. Levänluhta ~500 BC had high Yamnaya component, however Yamnaya were mix of different populations, not only IE.
Finns have much lower y-dna haplogroup R1a frequency than Estonians (5 pct. vs 35 pct.), and for some it's proof that Indo-Europeans never were in Finland, although autosomal dna is more important. I we look at ydba, then it seems that they don't have Indo-European influence or even Yamnaya, and mostly because of high hg N.
Some genetic source here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...stry_in_Europe
I found interesting speculation that some Siberian ancestry was presented in Finland already before Uralic migrations.

People forget that spread of language doesn't always correspond to gene flow.

[Lemminkäinen]

We need to analyze more and rely less on emotions.
Borrowings from Indo-European languages to Finnic languages occurred in different time periods - this is a well known fact.
By genetic research Bolshoy Oleny Island inhabitants, presumed as Uralic speakers ~1500 BC had about 1/2 Siberian, 1/2 EHG component. Levänluhta ~500 BC had high Yamnaya component, however Yamnaya were mix of different populations, not only IE.
Finns have much lower y-dna haplogroup R1a frequency than Estonians (5 pct. vs 35 pct.), and for some it's proof that Indo-Europeans never were in Finland, although autosomal dna is more important. I we look at ydba, then it seems that they don't have Indo-European influence or even Yamnaya, and mostly because of high hg N.
Some genetic source here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...stry_in_Europe
I found interesting speculation that some Siberian ancestry was presented in Finland already before Uralic migrations.

People forget that spread of language doesn't always correspond to gene flow.

Ydna can't be compared to autosomal dna due to the bottle necks in ydna during to Bronze Age. Of course there have been bottle necks also in autosomal dna, but it does't prove against the ydna bottle neck. I have tried to open discussion about the meaning of the R1a in early Iron Age Estonia, but people usually get angry and ban me if it is possible, because they don't like to hear that Estonians were still in the Iron Age predominantly R1a, during the time the Finno-Ugric language is suggested to has come there. I don't even have to put forth this possibility. They can't even think the possibility that those N1c men came and subjugated those IE speaking R1a's, or even worse that the Baltic-Finnic language was in some extent bound to R1a.

The same hatred is obvious if you try to start discusdion about the origin of the Baltic N1c or Finnish I1, which btw is 2500 years old in Finland.

So here some emotions to you 😁

[Lemminkäinen]

want now to rise fever and hatred by writing a few words about the Finnish I1, just because I know it best. Linguists say, they are sure in this case, that those proto-germanic loan words, like kuningas, (please watch the OP video) were adapted in South Finland, because they found that those proto-germanic loan words exist in Finnish and also in Saami. Saami language was never spoken to the south from Finland. They also proved that those loan words are adapted on the level of Saami that was never spoken before the Saami speakers came to Finland. So Saami speakers met Proto-Germanic speakers in Finland. The timing of the proto-germanic:

Proto-Germanic eventually developed from pre-Proto-Germanic into three Germanic branches during the fifth century BC to fifth century AD

So we can say that Saami speakers lived near Proto-Germanic speakers between 500 BC and 500 AD.

Then about probabilities. Today the main ydna groups speaking Germanic languages are I1 and R1b. Of those two in Finland we have only a few percentages very recent R1b, mostly from the Swedish era, but we have 2500 years old I1 belonging to the Southern Scandinavian branch. So what, where is the research? The last study mentioning the Finnish I1 is around 15 years old (Lappalainen et al.)

Archaeology supports early and Roman Iron Age influence in South Finland.