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    Ancestors of Croatian singer Mišo Kovač are documented in Šibenik in 1654. as Orthodox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mišo_Kovač

    In 1654. some Jovan Vuković from Šibenik tried overthrow the local Orthodox priest Kiril Gabrijel and put some young monk on his place. In defense of the priest Kiril stood up heads of many Orthodox families from Šibenik, their names and surnames are recorded in one document: Cvito Šarić, Prodan Šega, Pero Knez, Luka Radić, Ilija Vulinović, Lazo Ostrović, Stefan Šare, Šuro Šarić, Pavle Nikolić, Jovan Nikolić, Đuro Pahović, Radosav Radičić, Stanko Kovač, Nenad Stančić, Rade Nikić, Jovan Laus, Stefan Bunčić, Ilija Grubišić, Miloš Ivčić, Toma Pakivić, Slade Tomašević, Pero Bogdanović, Jovan Mitrović, Petar Vučić, Vudrag Barčić, Nikola Bunčić, Prodan Budović, Tomas Grubišić, Jovan Ljubičević, Filip Pahović, Roksana Skorčević, Živan Blažević, Vuleta Miličić, Milija Malešević, Vučko Tomašević and Vučko Milišić. Stanko Kovač was ancestor or cousin of Mišo Kovač, which clearly shows Serbian Orthodox origin of the family. Most of these and others Serbian Orthodox families which are recorded in Šibenik in 17th century converted to Roman Catholicism. Some died out and some have moved out of the city. In Šibenik in Orthodoxy it survived until 1991. only several Serbian Orthodox families recorded in 17th century. Ancestors of most Šibenik Orthodox Serbs who lived in the city in 1991. settled from hinterland in 18th, 19th and 20th century. For example Serbian family Dedić settled in Šibenik in the late 18th century from Dalmatian hinterland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsen_Dedić).

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    In Bosnia the muslim overlords call the serb peasants vlachs but i never heard it before about krajina
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortimer View Post
    In Bosnia the muslim overlords call the serb peasants vlachs but i never heard it before about krajina
    It as a fantasy of Macedonian troll who started this thread.

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    People from Dalmatian hinterland both Orthodox and Catholics (Serbs & Croatians) were often marked that they are of Vlach specifically Morlach origin. Serbian DNA project performs an action of testing families from Vrlika area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrlika). Until now they tested 61 Serbs (60 surnames, one have 2 two different haplos), and their goal is to testing at least 100. On current sample which is not small for that area is visible domination of Slavic related haplogroups. Project is open also for Catholics of Vrlika area, but no one of them did not participate until now. Testing is free for the certain number of Vrlika families, and for others price is significantly reduced.

    Vrlika area - only Orthodox/Serbs (61 samples)
    I2a-Din (25) = 41%
    R1a (13) = 21.3%
    E-V13 (8) = 13.1%
    R1b (5) = 8.2%
    J2b (3) = 4.9%
    N-P189.2 (3) = 4.9%
    I1 (2) = 3.3%
    J1 (2) = 3.3%

    I2a-Din (Kričković - Maovice, Marjan - Cetina, Maljković - Maovice, Mišina - Kosore, Marčetić - Koljane, Stričević - Koljane, Tutuš - Koljane, Rnić - Otišić, Dragić - Civljane, Racić - Podosoje, Četnik - Cetina, Barišić - Cetina, Vuković - Cetina, Kostur - Civljane, Preočanin - Cetina, Ivančić - Kosore, Batica - Cetina, Bogdanović - Štikovo, Jošić - Baljci, Graovac - Štikovo, Bura - Štikovo, Poplašen - Mirlović Polje, Dević - Štikovo, Kalinić - Koljane, Vukman - Otišić)
    .....
    R1a (Arnaut - Kosore, Đurić - Maovice, Knez - Kosore, Novaković - Maovice, Primetica - Maovice, Vranješ - Cetina, Ustić - Otišić, Đukić - Cetina, Medić - Cetina, Vulić - Bitelić, Bilić - Civljane, Borković - Koljane, Eraković - Štikovo)
    .....
    E-V13 (Meljanac - Otišić, Milaš - Cetina, Pavlović - Civljane, Subotić - Otišić, Gajić - Otišić, Stojsavljević - Otišić, Crnomarković - Civljane, Đapić - Štikovo)
    .....
    R1b (Cvitkovac - Maovice, Petković - Maovice, Gargenta - Cetina, Bodrožić - Koljane, Iglendža - Koljane)
    .....
    J2b (Despinić - Otišić, Šarac - Civljane, Guševac - Kanjane)
    .....
    N-P189.2 (Garić - Koljane, Bokun - Koljane, Vetmić - Miočić)
    .....
    I1 (Bulović - Bitelić, Borković - Laktac)
    .....
    J1 (Grujić - Štikovo, Miodrag - Kanjane)
    .....

    All results were published on forum of SDP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    People from Dalmatian hinterland both Orthodox and Catholics (Serbs & Croatians) were often marked that they are of Vlach specifically Morlach origin. Serbian DNA project performs an action of testing families from Vrlika area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrlika). Until now they tested 61 Serbs (60 surnames, one have 2 two different haplos), and their goal is to testing at least 100. On current sample which is not small for that area is visible domination of Slavic related haplogroups. Project is open also for Catholics of Vrlika area, but no one of them did not participate until now. Testing is free for the certain number of Vrlika families, and for others price is significantly reduced.

    Vrlika area - only Orthodox/Serbs (61 samples)
    I2a-Din (25) = 41%
    R1a (13) = 21.3%
    E-V13 (8) = 13.1%
    R1b (5) = 8.2%
    J2b (3) = 4.9%
    N-P189.2 (3) = 4.9%
    I1 (2) = 3.3%
    J1 (2) = 3.3%

    I2a-Din (Kričković - Maovice, Marjan - Cetina, Maljković - Maovice, Mišina - Kosore, Marčetić - Koljane, Stričević - Koljane, Tutuš - Koljane, Rnić - Otišić, Dragić - Civljane, Racić - Podosoje, Četnik - Cetina, Barišić - Cetina, Vuković - Cetina, Kostur - Civljane, Preočanin - Cetina, Ivančić - Kosore, Batica - Cetina, Bogdanović - Štikovo, Jošić - Baljci, Graovac - Štikovo, Bura - Štikovo, Poplašen - Mirlović Polje, Dević - Štikovo, Kalinić - Koljane, Vukman - Otišić)
    .....
    R1a (Arnaut - Kosore, Đurić - Maovice, Knez - Kosore, Novaković - Maovice, Primetica - Maovice, Vranješ - Cetina, Ustić - Otišić, Đukić - Cetina, Medić - Cetina, Vulić - Bitelić, Bilić - Civljane, Borković - Koljane, Eraković - Štikovo)
    .....
    E-V13 (Meljanac - Otišić, Milaš - Cetina, Pavlović - Civljane, Subotić - Otišić, Gajić - Otišić, Stojsavljević - Otišić, Crnomarković - Civljane, Đapić - Štikovo)
    .....
    R1b (Cvitkovac - Maovice, Petković - Maovice, Gargenta - Cetina, Bodrožić - Koljane, Iglendža - Koljane)
    .....
    J2b (Despinić - Otišić, Šarac - Civljane, Guševac - Kanjane)
    .....
    N-P189.2 (Garić - Koljane, Bokun - Koljane, Vetmić - Miočić)
    .....
    I1 (Bulović - Bitelić, Borković - Laktac)
    .....
    J1 (Grujić - Štikovo, Miodrag - Kanjane)
    .....

    All results were published on forum of SDP.
    Serbs of Vrlika area have quite higher R1a and quite lower I1 than Dalmatian Serb average.

    They have high R1a in % but also their R1a is quite diverse.
    There is 6 different types of R1a: Arnaut (R1a-FTB20451), Knez (R1a-FTB20451), Novaković (R1a-BY149000), Đurić (R1a-BY149000), Primetica (R1a-YP4278), Eraković (R1a-YP4278), Vulić (R1a-YP270), Medić (R1a-YP951), Ustić (R1a-YP951), Borković (R1a-L1029), Vranješ (R1a-L1029), Đukić (R1a-L1029), Bilić (R1a-L1029).

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    Another famous Croatian from Dalmatia with Serbian Orthodox origin, but recent unlike Mišo Kovač https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stojko_Vranković

    His uncle (father's brother) Stojan was buried in the Orthodox cemetery in Drniš, and his father Aćim in Catholic in the same town.
    Last edited by Varda; 07-27-2022 at 04:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varda View Post
    In the late middle age and early Ottoman period term vlach in western Balkans had social meaning.

    Ancestors of some Krajina Serbs were present in 14th and 15th century in Krajina areas (west of Vrbas rives), not all came in 16th century. For example paternal ancestors of Serbian families from northern Dalmatia who originated from Mirilovići clan are there since 15th century, because Mirilovići settled in northern Dalmatia from Herzegovina in 15th century. Another example is Serbian family Čeprnja (https://actacroatica.com/surname/Čeprnja/) who lived in several villages of northern Dalmatia until 1995. Katun Čeprnja is recorded in northern Dalmatia in 1401. and they came from Herzegovina earlier https://i.ibb.co/zVCDkgR/IMG-20220222-213436.jpg
    Both Mirilovići and Čeprnje were in vlach social status and originally from Herzegovina as i said. Other old northern Dalmatian Serbian families are Marinčić, Korlat, Mutikaša and some others who lived there at least since 14th century, but probably they were not part of vlach caste as Mirilovići snd Čeprnje.
    Something about presence of Mirilovići in Dalmatia https://hrcak.srce.hr/clanak/186958
    There presence in Dalmatia haven been proven since 1525, but there is strong indication that they settled to Dalmatia about 100 years earlier.

    Members of "vlach" katun Mirilović recorded chronologically (1365-1468) in Herzegovina. Part of them stayed in Herzegovina until present day and part in 15-16th century migrated to other regions (mostly to Dalmatia). Btw late medieval Herzegovinian katuns/clans were organized more like Scottish clans than like Mongenegrin and Gheg tribes.

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    ^^
    Btw Mirilovići are I2-CTS10228>Z17855>PH3414 https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-PH3414/

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    What an obsessed dumb low IQ monkey. You should go have that treated.

    Stankovic's father is Serb who married Croatian woman and feels Croatian. That's what he is, a half Serb and half Croat.
    As for Kovač. Kovač is a surname derived from profession like Smith is. He doesn't have to be related the 17th century Serb with the same surname even if from the same area. Oh boy are you dumb. The Servian grandiosity syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    What an obsessed dumb low IQ monkey. You should go have that treated.

    Stankovic's father is Serb who married Croatian woman and feels Croatian. That's what he is, a half Serb and half Croat.
    As for Kovač. Kovač is a surname derived from profession like Smith is. He doesn't have to be related the 17th century Serb with the same surname even if from the same area. Oh boy are you dumb. The Servian grandiosity syndrome.
    Monkey, you should be worried for the disappearance of your people from so called Herceg-Bosna and BiH in general. So called Herceg-Bosna will be bosniakized sooner or later. Macedonian troll who opened this thread should be worried for the albanization of his homeland.
    I noticed that you become more and more neurotic. Must be connected with bosniakization of your region and decay of your pripizdina.

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