The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

[RobocopReturns]

The Rings of Political Correctness power

[Blondie]

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Just my guess:

There are "dark elves" who did not see the light of Valinor, thats why they are "dark" and it has nothing to do with skin color, but i think the makers used this "dark elf" thing to "legalize" Arondir
I remember they used same logic when they created the black hobbits.

[Blondie]

The Rings of Political Correctness power

Okay, pls write normal criticism, if you wanna talking about the RoP. This mantra makes no sense.

[LaSentinelle]

Except black elves can't be canon in any way because the awakening of elves predates the existence of the sun and the moon, and even if you wanted to bring in modern genetic science, with their long life cycles evolution would have no way to adapt to sunlight that quickly, and presumably no reason either - given that elves are not susceptible to sickness, they're presumably not susceptible to cancer from the sun either. From a meta viewpoint it's insulting as elves are based primarily on celtic and norse myth (the Tuatha Dé Dannan and Sídhe of celtic myth, and the elves of germanic myth; the anglo-saxon concept upon which Tolkien's elves are based is founded primarily on the celtic one and differs from the elves of scandinavian myth) with their languages corresponding to this (Sindarin is primarily based on celtic languages, Quenya on Finnish and ancient germanic languages), and their cultural depictions visible eg in the social stratification and terms used for it is clearly european. Elves are a product of celtic and germanic myth, with predominantly celtic and germanic linguistic and cultural attachments. Depicting elves as anything but white is disingenuous and in poor taste.

Considering elves mixed with humans it's completely plausible for at least one elf to have mixed with a Southron, resulting in a black/dark half elf.

[Blondie]

Considering elves mixed with humans it's completely plausible for at least one elf to have mixed with a Southron, resulting in a black/dark half elf.

But Arondir doesnt look mixed but full black, and he came from Lindon. So this mixed ancestry theory cannot be true, because there are no humans in Lindon, especially not black humans.
The black elf is just quota elf, nothing else.

[Todesritter]

Just my guess:

There are "dark elves" who did not see the light of Valinor, thats why they are "dark" and it has nothing to do with skin color, but i think the makers used this "dark elf" thing to "legalize" Arondir
I remember they used same logic when they created the black hobbits.

Yes, the Moriquendi are called that because they didn't see the light of the trees - all the Sindar, Silvan and Avari are considered Moriquendi, and the term 'dark' in connection with elves tends to refer to either them not undertaking the full journey to Valinor, or a dark countenance, mood, general vibe. Dark skin colours as among the Haradrim are explicitly described as such - their skin is called brown or black rather than the more general adjective of 'dark'.

Some hobbit clades were mentioned to have darker skin, but this probably implies more med phenotypes rather than them being full on SSA.

[Blondie]

Another mystery is who are the evil white cloaked witches?



Their spirit form:



Their name: The Ascetic, The Nomad, The Dweller, and according to makers, they came from East. The witches are maiars for sure, who serve Sauron.

In my opinion, they are survivors of War of Wrath, who fled after destruction of Beleriand, just like the balrog. Maybe this idea is came from the MERP and inspired by The 3 evil sisters who lived in Utumno:

The 3 Evil Sisters (Me. Arigakhnithi) were three Maiar triplets that channeled their power together to become a potent force in Melkor's army. They were originally servants of the Valië Vairë, but were tempted by the Dark Powers and became enthralled with Melkor's power and presence. They were mutated into a conjoined ("Siamese") body at times, or could appear as a regular dark being. After Murgûleth slew her sisters and captured their spirits to channel their powers into herself--she became a potent threat that served Melkor throughout the Elder Days until they were eventually slain at the Siege of Utumno. The 3 Evil Sisters were among the most loyal to Melkor as Murgûleth and her siblings sought to gain his favor above all others.

https://notionclubarchives.fandom.com/wiki/Arigakhnithi

(this is not canon!)

[LaSentinelle]

But Arondir doesnt look mixed but full black, and he came from Lindon. So this mixed ancestry theory cannot be true, because there are no humans in Lindon, especially not black humans.
The black elf is just quota elf, nothing else.

He both looks and is in fact of mixed race. He's Puerto-Rican. So the theory still holds and black/mixed/dark elves can exist within Middle Earth. The same applies to Hobbits as Hobbits are a subgroup of Men. At least that's what Tolkien says in his Essay 'Of Dwarves and Men'

[Smeagol]

There were no black Elves or black Hobbits. This show is a mockery of Tolkien's work.

[Blondie]

He both looks and is in fact of mixed race. He's Puerto-Rican. So the theory still holds and black/mixed/dark elves can exist within Middle Earth. The same applies to Hobbits as Hobbits are a subgroup of Men. At least that's what Tolkien says in his Essay 'Of Dwarves and Men'

I understand your logic, the problem with it:

1. Arondir came from Lindon, and according to RoP, he is not half elf.
2. Elf & human mixing was ultra rare and happened only between númenórean and elvish nobles. Southlanders are not númenóreans but regular folks.
3. There are no any info in the canon, that elves migrated to South where these black humans lived.

Black elf is not compatible with canon.

About hobbits, indeed they are "humans" in racial sense, but Tokien described them clearly european for example their eye color. There are swarthy hobbits, but it doesnt mean they are black skinned. Maybe some hobbit group migrated to South, and they became "black" (maybe), but the RoP hobbits are all western and their descedants will establish the Shire, so they cannot be blacks.