Average proto indo aryan phenotype

[Joeary]

one would not be surprised
if this norwegian gentleman's genetics
are similar to sintashta/nordic bronze age ancestors:

please illustrate the similarity to indo-aryan genetics.

does "closest" mean closer than any one else?

In essence, the main similarities is the fact that both groups comes closest to bronze age groups of corded ware, so they have a mutual strength in regards to genetic affinities towards a common ancestor, they both largely derive from the corded ware which would give them both corded ware phenotypes no? The only group today that has truly capitulated the corded ware phenotypes are the germanic, same can be said for proto indo iranian, going based off of genetic affinities alone is kind of a rudimentary method, bell beaker and modern and ancient germanics had a substantial genetic overlap yet looked different, so in order to decipher the difference you got to look at their ancestral components, bell beakers were more farmer shifted and since they had a open contact with them, whilst the germanics more yamnya/corded ware shifted who were more robust and dolichocephalic, you can see a pattern there, as in indo iranian case, the latter is the consensus amongst academics.

[aherne]

He looks Aryan, but quite soft faced (more like modern version of this phenotype). He probably could have passed, but average proto Indo-Iranians were more robust (very chiseled features) and they had some of their own "ethnic" features too:
- more sloping forehead
- big convex nose

[Jambudvīpa]

why are you so fixated on this White Indo-Aryan stuff? There is nothing special about a white phenotype. Highlighting the minority of Afghans/Pakistanis/North Indians who fit the look is fine every once in a while but every single thread of yours is like this. What's the point?

[lei.talk]

...you can see a pattern there,
as in indo iranian case, the latter is the consensus amongst academics.

[gixajo]

You have to be trolling, jokes aside, sintashta culture are closest to modern nordics genetically and have a very strong affinity with the Nordic bronze age groups

Fantastic.

So if Sintashta_MLBA and Swedish have a distance of 5.7 Portugueses and Northern French look even more the same because they show a shortest distance of 5.2. Is that? And Welsh look like Spanish from Araba province in Basque Country because they show a distance of 5.7...

And with a gap of several thousand years in the case of Sintashta and modern Scandinavian Swedish, in this case!!!

Glad to know this, thanks.

[ugochaves]

A similar phenotype is the farmers of the eef, it's not cwc

[Duke]

Yamnaya


Corded ware


Kumsay


Sintashta

[gixajo]

Now more seriously.

The Sintashta culture probably derived at least partially from the Corded Ware culture

Allentoft et al.(2015)

Sintashta culture (probably) is related genetically with "proto-Indo-Aryan", but they were not themselves "proto-Indo-Aryan" in the sense that the true "proto-Indo-Aryan" would be those who started the migration and that centuries/millennia after brought to Europe Indoeuropean languages, culture etc...after a large trip in which they accumulated different and varied genetic contributions.

Sintashta culture is dated about 2200–1900 BCE so there must be better representative of what you called "proto-Indo-Aryan", because a "proto-Indo-Aryan" would be peoples/cultures who preceded the "Indo-Aryan" and Sintashta are not even in stricto senso "Indo-Aryan" but one of the groups derived from them, that is, descendants of them.

But well, everything is debatable, but that right now we don't know how they were exactly those who started that journey, and that Sintashta MLBA would not be the norm to describe what those supposed "proto-Indo-Aryans" were like.

I would say that some modern West Asian/Central Asian mixed people should be more representative in modern times what those "proto-Indo-Aryan" look like, but actually nowadays any people is similar to them.

I don't have any problem that you think that the Scandinavians are the ones that would look the most like them, but I don't think so.

[gixajo]

After saying all this, I think they are better candidates for the award of "best modern peoples which could be the best descendants of proto-Indo-Aryan peoples " For example ...

Kalash people ??? or any other similar people from that Western Asia but not so far from Central Asia region.

Due to their uniqueness, the researchers believed that they were the earliest group to separate from the ancestral stock of the modern population of the Indian subcontinent estimated around 11,800 years ago.[65]

Maybe not similar but surely closest than Scandinavians.

[gixajo]

Due to their uniqueness, the researchers believed that they were the earliest group to separate from the ancestral stock of the modern population of the Indian subcontinent estimated around 11,800 years ago.

That quote is from:

The Kalash Genetic Isolate: Ancient Divergence, Drift, and Selection
Qasim Ayub,1,7,∗ Massimo Mezzavilla,1,2,7 Luca Pagani,1,3 Marc Haber,1 Aisha Mohyuddin,4 Shagufta Khaliq,5 Syed Qasim Mehdi,6 and Chris Tyler-Smith1
2015 May 7

Not from Wikipedia.

(This post is for the one commented me something in a rep message )