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Stop your pathetic whining and bitching. You keep telling people to get an education and yet I have consistently busted you on passing misinformation (actually, I used your own source against you, which a normal person would have been so embarrassed they would have shut their mouth). You then ramble on like a lunatic about irrelevant dribble: what do I care about your internet argument with a Finnish woman or Skadi?
'But... but... the Church... controlled the savages up north... derpy derpy derp... but not muh people!!!"
Normally I would accuse someone who is blatantly wrong as being dishonest but you're clearly ignorant. The church did have control of Italian universities and the papal bulls issued prove this reality.
The University of Bologna (the oldest Italian university):
Also, Italians weren't the only ones to initially form a university outside of the church, as I prove with sources below:As time went by, students lost their autonomy, not only in their management bodies but also in city councils, suffering greater influence from local and papal authorities.
https://www.unibo.it/en/university/w...ies-of-history
The University of Paris
Let's look at some Italian universities:The University de Paris was founded at the very beginning of the 13th century with the appearance of the guild of Parisian teachers and students (universitas magistrorum and scholarium Parisiensis), which competed with the teaching given in the schools of the cloister of Notre-Dame de Paris, on the Île de la Cité. This first "university" had its own regulations and statutes, was arranged in four faculties (liberal arts, law, medicine and theology) and, although it did not really have its own buildings, took root on the left bank of the Seine.
https://www.sorbonne-universite.fr/e...ritage/history
University of Perugia
Oh, here is an actual university not controlled by the Church but instead by a king: University of Naples Federico II for the purpose of secular administration. Pay attention to what is said about Bologna and Padua:The Studium dates back to 1308, when Clement V’s Papal Bull “Super Specula” officially awarded it the status of Studium Generale, although various local Schools and Universitates Scholarium already existed before the formal papal recognition and were held in especially high regard for the excellence of their Medical Sciences and Law seminars.
https://www.unipg.it/en/internationa...our-university
I don't have patience to go further.The king’s objective was to create an institution of higher learning that would put an end to the predominance of the universities of northern Italy, most notably those of Bologna and Padua, which were considered either too independent or under the strong influence of the Pope.
https://www.international.unina.it/history/
First time anyone has called me a Nordicist.
btw, can you explain to me the Italian inspiration for the internet and also the car? Everything basically finds its way back to Italy.
You pathetic dumb fuck. Like most stupid people you know bits and pieces that you like but never the whole story.
Oh btw again, I rather live in Finland than Italy. I prefer a functional society.
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Robert de Sorbon (French: 9 October 1201 – 15 August 1274) was a French theologian, the chaplain of Louis IX of France, and founder of the Sorbonne college in Paris.
In other words, the founder of the SORBON was again a Catholic priest.
However it is not my duty to educate donkeys like you.
It is right that in society there are donkeys who serve as a basis of comparison to understand how one shouldn't argue in a discussion.
Until the XVIII-XIX century, the most religious and bigoted society has always been the Lutheran and Anglican one.
btw, can you explain to me the Italian inspiration for the internet and also the car? Everything basically finds its way back to Italy.
Everything basically finds its way back to Italy....................... YES.
In Europe YES....
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The University of Paris had already been in existence. Notice how you didn't address any of the info I posted in your response.
Pay attention:
You're so ignorant that you don't know the University of Paris was a conglomeration of colleges and that while the University of Paris is often referred to as Sorbonne today it's not what the University of Paris is called and, as stated, the University of Paris existed before the founding of Sorbonne.At the time that he founded his college, the University of Paris had already been in existence for half a century, and already had thousands of students.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Sorbonne
How is it that I know these important details and you fail at producing them? We both have access to the same information. It's because you're a mentally ill retard who can't even do elementary-level research.
You have consistently proven your ignorance to the point where even what you post as a source to support your claims contradicts you.However it is not my duty to educate donkeys like you.
In other words, you should not be allowed to have any children because we have enough low IQ people in the world.It is right that in society there are donkeys who serve as a basis of comparison to understand how one shouldn't argue in a discussion.
That is false. Since you're too lazy to even attempt to support claims (probably because you realized when you do make an attempt you not only fail but post information that will contradict your claim), I'm not going to bother to provide a detailed argument. I'm tired of giving more than I get back. It's a waste of my time.Until the XVIII-XIX century, the most religious and bigoted society has always been the Lutheran and Anglican one.
No, it doesn't. You're a mentally ill ethnocentrist who has consistently proven that not only do you speak gibberish, but you provide evidence that contradicts your statements because, in addition to being mentally ill, you're also stupid.Everything basically finds its way back to Italy....................... YES.
In Europe YES....
Tell me again how half the great Ancient Greek minds were actually Italian... lolz....
You're too stupid to be embarrassed.
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Listen american turkey.. try to understand what it is the meaninge of THEOLOGY...
The university of Paris was created (or more accurately) in the middle of the XIIth century as a subgroup of the school of theology ( catholic priest, monks ). In itself it is recognized legally in 1200 by a decree by king Philippe II (considered to be the first use of the word university in it’s modern meaning) and then by the pope Innocent III (who studied there) in 1215.
School of theology ≠ University.
Xenophanes
Tell me again how half the great Ancient Greek minds were actually Italian... lolz....
You're too stupid to be embarrassed.
Empedocles
Parmenides
Aristoxène
Zeno of Elea
Gorgia
Filolao
Archita
Liside
Echecrate
Timeogli
Almost all the members of Pythagorean schools ( Crotone Calabria )
Timoteo
Alcmeone
Democède
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You are in a forum of European culture... study the history of the church in the Middle Ages and how they/Popes could bend to their will kings and emperors terrified of a possible excommunication..
Show that you are not the usual American turkey who grew up reading Marvel comics or some fictional books ( from the 19th century onwards because there was nothing before ) about vikings written by people of low intellectual value..
Till XVII Italy was the TOP in everythng in Europe..Now we are not anymore on the TOP but we have always remained close to the first places.It bothers you that they're more relevant in the modern world and so you have to pretend they were savages that 'muh people' thousands of years ago (who you may not even cluster with genetically) taught everything.
And the difference that exists today among the various countries of the old European Union, before the entry of the Eastern countries, is not even comparable to the difference that existed between Florence and Venice in the XVII-XVIII century with Scandinavia or other northern countries Europe
The difference IN EVERY ASPECT OF CIVILIZATION that existed between Italy of 17th century and the rest of Europe was EQUAL TO THE difference that exists today between Switzerland ( that is not a nordic country ) and Botswana.
London city in XVI century..( yes.. the center of London.. ) or any other town north the alps
Venice and Florence city in XVI century
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