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there was literally a survival of brythonnic in the marshes of northwestern east anglia until like 900 ad or something ridiculous like that
https://youtu.be/5FHRTpEhaAs
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also here's a good up to date study
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05247-2
and a map from said study
the map clearly shows that east anglia is till like 20-25% british celt if not more if we consider some of the iron age french to be from Halstatt/La-Tene elites
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did you not read the part where I said French IA could've been from La-Tene elites. I mean, it's been in Britain 1500 years longer than Anglo-Saxon DNA, I would say that is at least more native than Anglo-Saxon. Also preemptively saying not all French IA in Britain came from La-Tene celtic elites, but at least some of it certainly did, how much is up for debate and I haven't seen concrete numbers on how French IA iron age Britons were, probably because of how similar the two groups were genetically as well as actually variable rates of such ancestry in the Briton population, as seen from the fact the Welsh doesn't really have any (do to their mountain people isolation)
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Caucasian in the United States demography originally meant European only until 1909 when Lebanese Christian George Shishim won his case with Department of Justice to include Near-Eastern people as White/Caucasian. One argument appealed to the public desire for Jesus to be classified as White.
https://www.arabamericanhistory.org/...-race-in-1909/
In 1923 Punjabi Brahmin Bhagat Singh Thind lost his federal case to have Indians counted as Caucasian despite anthropological evidence because the common American did not consider them Whites/Caucasian.
https://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5076/
The inclusion of MENAs yet exclusion of South Asians in the term Caucasian in the US is more based on common European Americans identifying more with the former due to Christianity. Academic anthropology was not a major factor.
Caucasian can have varying meanings depending on the context. It can be of the Caucasus mountains, having West Eurasian like morphology, or just as an equivalent to whatever is deemed "White". If we are speaking about modern population genetics the proper term is West Eurasian. Both Europeans and MENAs are solidly West Eurasian. South Asians are not fully West Eurasian genetically due to AASI admixture. Central Asian and Volga-Ural natives have East Eurasian admixture which also shifts them away from the West Eurasian cluster.
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2013/...urasia-13.html
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The point was that the French IA ancestry arrived after the Iron Age and Roman period, so no, it's not more native, it came alongside and after the Anglo-Saxons (Duncan Sayer said it was related to Franks). The fact that the Welsh don't have it only points to it being post-Roman, when England and Wales divided.
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