Are Mediterraean Europeans culturally closer to Mediterranean non-Europeans or to Northern Europeans

[#Oda#]

No.

Nobody with two brain cells can take this ridiculous scheme seriously.

[Abaddon]

No.

Sounds like 4chan snownigger posting

[Vessna]

No.

The chart is obviously nonsense

[thatoneton]

Vjatych does actually harbour both devlish irony and humoristic skills. Potentially I could become a fan of him.

That's funny indeed.

I'm just wondering if Vjatych's stomach is not a sign of pregnancy? That would explain his emotional instability and constant change of mood.

[thatoneton]

(...)

Spoiler!

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Isn't EHG significantly WHG-influenced?

[thatoneton]

No.

As ridiculous as it can get.

[Ugo]

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[gixajo]

For real or as advocatus diaboli? Because we should agree on a particular time where the conditions have to be displayed. We aim at abt. 10 kybp and the Pinarbasi HG is from 15 kybp and not fully identical with Barcin N which was an actual migrating population. In this view I would stick to that as the yard stick for what time to display. If we make the same with Yamnaya, it's more problematic. We had no separate Barcin N and WHG anymore at that time, maybe except for some areas in Scandinavia. And an additional problem is that likely not just Yamnaya migrated but also from neatly north of it there came related folks with a somewhat different EHG/CHG ratio that gave rise to Corded Ware.

In this particular case, knowing how to read the results, the trend of WHG proportions in the populations that we have seen is maintained both in models that you suggest and in those that I have suggested, which is what it was about.

The exact % is exactly the same, so the rest is just talk.

It wasn't even really a real calculator to model anyone, I simply added some references that someone else had proposed and it was more the list of references that that person requested.

The model I posted some days ago pretended to work with what you are saying, using different Steppe cultures than usual Yamnaya from Samara to represent the "Western Steppe herders" ancestry and using LBK to represent the previously existent "European Farmers" that have already mixed with previouslt existent local HGs, and not removing HGs in order to represent an extra input in some individuals.

Simply experimenting to try to find a path different from the one usually proposed.

Spare me from describing the problems that using that model can present, I did it being aware of its limitations. (Or so I want to think)

[gixajo]

Isn't EHG significantly WHG-influenced?

Baltic HGs were probably mixed EHG+WHG people, EHG and WHG , if I remember well were not mixed one with another but had a common base.

So I think they are, but I am not any expert, maybe anyone here can correct me or add more information about it.

I would look at it for sure but right now I can't.

[Insuperable]

Nobody with two brain cells can take this ridiculous scheme seriously.

It was a joke to your reponse to the same scheme several days ago.