Who's hotter to women?

[Insuperable]

So? I agree second guy is much more attractive, but let's not pretend the admittedly fat first guy is some freak or rare or even obese. He has a very common body. Lots of people are fat these days. It's not healthy, but it's not rare either.

Who cares how common or rare is his look. He is objectively fat. Even if 99% of men are like that, that doesn't mean we can change the meaning of fat.

[MrCuriosity]

Who cares how common or rare is his look. He is objectively fat. Even if 99% of men are like that, that doesn't mean we can change the meaning of fat.

OK he is fat. But all I wanted to say is that he is not obese. Some people here called him obese.

[Blondie]

This is a real dad body und its sexy as well:

[jakob]

let's not pretend the admittedly fat first guy is some freak or rare or even obese.

He is moderately obese, no doubt about it.

[tropicalslavic]

Same goes for women, even more so since not many men can afford to have a good physique even if they have a potential. Women on the other hand have one job and that not to be fat. Seeing fat women hurts my eyes.

Anyone can have a healthy body. Not everyone has to be super ripped - a man can eat healthily and run in his neighborhood every day and he will be healthy, even if not super ripped, and it's manageable even for some elderly people I know. The bare minimum for both sexes is not being obese. And for most of human history, 99% of us achieved that quite easily.

I feel like the set of excuses for both sexes is slightly different, but they're both just excuses.

[tropicalslavic]

OK he is fat. But all I wanted to say is that he is not obese. Some people here called him obese.

His level of visceral fat is obviously quite high. That's all that matters. Obesity is more about visceral fat than what's stored in your thighs or whatever.

[tropicalslavic]

He is moderately obese, no doubt about it.

It's incredibly frustrating how the definition of fat and obese slides a bit further each couple of years to the point where as long as someone is not on 600 lb life, they must not be obese. WTF?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

The perception of obesity varies from country to country. In countries where the average BMI is higher, there is a greater likelihood of overweight men and women to perceive themselves as not being overweight, since you have to be even fatter to " break away" from the social norm.

[Insuperable]

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[Petalpusher]

Obese is defined at 30 BMI. The first guy should be around that.

Also you are not getting stronger by just being taller, the best UFC fighters are quite short, the prominent category is lightweight, which is really the mid category and the average height is 177cm. Even the highest category in pounds, the average is only 6'2, that's because above 190 you start to loose a lot of agility and speed without necessarily more strength, the human body was not "designed" at all to get that tall. Basically it's not increasing proportionally at some point, you just get a truck instead of a F1.