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[gixajo]

At first it is also very surprising to learn that only 35% of general population in UK works, .

It´s about "full-time work/full-time employment".

[Straightman]

It´s about "full-time work/full-time employment".

How large could the part time employees segment of the population be? One has to take into consideration also uni students, underage children, retirees and people who used to be employed. But it's still much less than 35 % for the general population and they have a younger population, so less retirees and more underage children I suppose.

[Tooting Carmen]

Exactly, many Hispanics are similar. Besides money, they fled their countries to get away from their OWN people.

Legal Hispanics know that the current, overwhelmingly male mass migrants are very low-quality individuals,

the bottom of the barrel from the countries they came from, gang members, drug dealers, etc.

Muslims seem to want more Muslim migration, because they have a certain solidarity through Islam, and a conquest mindset.

Like we discussed with Scarface F in another thread, my mother and quite a few other middle-class Latin American women of her generation in particular, even if they may believe in pan-Latin American solidarity and be generally liberal/left-leaning (and I don't think they are insincere in the slightest), they nevertheless find too many of their own men - at least of their generation, since the younger ones are changing - to be sleazy, unfaithful and often violent. (And I mean men in the middle and upper-classes here, not even the poor and working-classes). No, this does not mean that Anglo men are angels, but the levels of domestic violence and infidelity barely even begin to compare.

[Tooting Carmen]

Not an exaggeration, only 20% of Muslims work, compared to 35% of the general population

Figures come from the Census: https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ce-study-finds


And this never happens with non-Muslim migrants, right?

Either way, Muslim migrants live on welfare, are net drain on public finances and overwhelmingly vote for the left once naturalised.

So the claim that AKSHUALLY the centre-right supports mass migration, not the centre-left, for economic reasons, is laughable.

A big percentage is due to Muslim women being housewives, like I just explained. And people not working aren't just the unemployed and welfare cheats, but also retired people, students, the sick and disabled, asylum-seekers - it is a vast category, otherwise those headline-grabbing figures would not make sense.

[Tooting Carmen]

And this never happens with non-Muslim migrants, right?

Far far less.

So the claim that AKSHUALLY the centre-right supports mass migration, not the centre-left, for economic reasons, is laughable.

When it comes to certain professions and businesses, yes.

[CosmoLady]

Far far less.

Really?
You think that all the very traditional third-world non-Muslim women work (Africans, Indians, etc),
but all the Muslim women do not work? I doubt that.

When it comes to certain professions and businesses, yes.

Did you miss what I said?
Muslims generally do not work, cost the state more than they contribute, and vote for the left once naturalised.
The minimum wage tends to increase.

This suggests that the centre-right is fake/controlled opposition, does not believe in its own principles and hates its own voters,
and is voluntarily sabotaging itself and serving the interests of the left. There is no meaningful right.

Real wages are held down especially in service-related and office-related jobs,
and this also has to do with women entering the workforce, part-time labour, and sweatshop-minded Indians, Asians.
The left strongly supports this as well.

[Tooting Carmen]

Really?
You think that all the very traditional third-world non-Muslim women work (Africans, Indians, etc),
but all the Muslim women do not work? I doubt that.

Most non-Muslim groups nowadays have a majority of women of working age (16-74) in the workplace. In fact, IIRC more Black Caribbean women than men work, and the employment rates for Indian, Chinese and Black African women are also pretty high. (And in the US, more Black women than men work overall).

Real wages are held down especially in service-related and office-related jobs, and this also has to do with women entering the workforce, as well as sweatshop-minded Indians, Asians. The left strongly supports this as well.

It is the Right who are more dishonest about this: they may shout "stop the boats" all they like, but as I've explained already many key liberalisations of immigration law happened under BoJo the clown, precisely because immigration keeps down wages and investment. The Left likes immigration for 'moral' reasons, while the Right likes it for economic ones.

[CosmoLady]

Most non-Muslim groups nowadays have a majority of women of working age (16-74) in the workplace. In fact, IIRC more Black Caribbean women than men work, and the employment rates for Indian, Chinese and Black African women are also pretty high. (And in the US, more Black women than men work overall).



It is the Right who are more dishonest about this: they may shout "stop the boats" all they like, but as I've explained already many key liberalisations of immigration law happened under BoJo the clown, precisely because immigration keeps down wages and investment. The Left likes immigration for 'moral' reasons, while the Right likes it for economic ones.

There is no meaningful Left and Right, they are the same, you are stuck in outmoded categories, making strawman arguments.
The stated reasons are utterly irrelevant, look at the real reason and the outcome.

In Sweden and the US, the centre-left has behaved the same as the centre-right with mass migration.
They all go to the same globalist conferences, they all receive the same instructions, they are all tools of the global elite.

I said earlier that allowing mass migration is the deliberate attack of the elites against the masses, especially post-Brexit.
This malevolent motivation is similar among the elites in the US with the rise of Trump,
the elites in France with the rise of Le Pen, and the elites in Germany with the rise of the AfD

Once the flood gates are opened (again, a deliberate post-Brexit political choice, not an "accident"),
of course there will be far more Pakistanis than Poles.

This is all openly-stated, deliberate, social-demographic engineering, political engineering, electioneering,
like in the US, Germany, France. Democrat politicians have said so, and French and German leftists have said something similar.
This is Biden in 2015, with the man who would later open the border:



More migration is necessary for electioneering purposes, according to Democrat representative Yvette Clark:
Whether they work or not (mostly not) is irrelevant, not part of the calculation.

[gixajo]

How large could the part time employees segment of the population be? One has to take into consideration also uni students, underage children, retirees and people who used to be employed. But it's still much less than 35 % for the general population and they have a younger population, so less retirees and more underage children I suppose.

I don´t know in UK, but in Spain is around 14%., plus a special group called "fijos discontínuos" that is around 6%.

In Germany there were "mini jobs", and if I remember correctly a few years ago there were about 4.5 million people surviving with that type of work.

In addition, it should be taken into account that that type of people are the most likely to resort to the "underground economy" , (to work without contracts). I also don't know to what extent this is common in the UK, and it is a phenomenon that is difficult to quantify.

Maybe Tooting or any other British person on the forum know better about all these issues.

[gixajo]

The Left likes immigration for 'moral' reasons, while the Right likes it for economic ones.

Both political sides are to blame, but not because immigration per se is something bad, but because they have done it so badly, so massively, without requirements...

I am not one of those who think that it was with the intention of replacing anyone, I believe that it is the result of their clumsiness and that seeking certain goals or impeded by wrong humanitarian ideals, they have ended up creating what they have created.

We here are lucky that the majority of immigrants are Ibero-American, who adapt and integrate perfectly into the country due to cultural closeness and common ties, and who are also people who work hard and who have ended up being very well received and accepted even by those who criticized them when they started to arrive.

"others", you know, are not accepted even though there are many decent ones among them.