Isa Boletini was probably I2-Z17855

[Varda]

Saying every shale is i2a in deqan and pej is actually retarded. on Albanian dna project there are shale there with R1b. I2a shaljan are minority, if more shale would test we would see most of them would be r1b. Theres only one i2a sample from that village it doesn’t mean every shale from there is i2a this is the case with other tribes and areas like Kelmend which are ev13 but there are a few minority haplos like R1b. isa is very likely to be r1b and even if he was i2a he identified as albanian and spoke albanian.

I never said all Shalas are I2a. I know original Shalas are R1b. There is a strong indication Isa Boletini was I2a, and that his paternal ancestor was Serbian convert to Islam who joined to fis Shala. Isa Boletini was Albanian because he had Albanian identity. Even if he was I2a, autosomally was for sure closer to Albanians than to Serbs.

[Pepa]

I never said all Shalas are I2a. I know original Shalas are R1b. There is a strong indication Isa Boletini was I2a, and that his paternal ancestor was Serbian convert to Islam who joined to fis Shala. Isa Boletini was Albanian because he had Albanian identity. Even if he was I2a, autosomally was for sure closer to Albanians than to Serbs.

“It's possible, all that Shalas around Dečani and Peć are I2-Y3120 branches, one of them is I2-PH908” no there isnt strong indication you say that because his ancestor had Slavic names (which means nothing) and that one i2a result in the village his ancestors migrated from which doesnt account for all shala there.

[hazmatnik]

“It's possible, all that Shalas around Dečani and Peć are I2-Y3120 branches, one of them is I2-PH908” no there isnt strong indication you say that because his ancestor had Slavic names (which means nothing) and that one i2a result in the village his ancestors migrated from which doesnt account for all shala there.

Varda has ground. If we examine my autosomal matches heatmap we can see elevated number of matches in Peć - Đakovica area, which means some mixing and conversions did happened there (i believe it was bidirectional conversion). On top of that, Lauka thinks 10 - 15% present day Kosovars are of Serbian / Slavic origin.
I have couple of present-day Albanians from Istinic as matches.

[Red0]

There are another Shala that is R1b and form their own clade in Kosova, Drenica with no links to the Shala of northern Albania and seems native there:






There is a possibility that the Berisha e Kuqe in Drenica that are E-V13 are old there too.

[Red0]

10%-15 of Kosova Albanians are certainly not of Serb origin who supposedly descendant from medieval Serbs that lived there, there is no evidence for such things. This is just some Serbian nationalist fairytale that claim Serbs as the most ancient inhabitants when Albanian lands were occupied by Bulgarians before even Serbs showed up including the region of Dardania/Kosova. Some Serbs moved in during Ottoman period and brought some lineages. All Slavic lineages do not come from Serbs nor from late medieval period. And no evidence the I2a Shala are from medieval people of Isniq whos origin are unknown anyway. Serbs seem to love making the mistake of believing that they trace all their origin to medieval people that lived in these territories, when most people do not, weather they are Albanian or Serb.
When an Albanian knows their tribe but don't match the tribe they come from it's funny how they still assume the Albanian cannot be an old local but when it's a Slavic lineage it's supposedly from medieval people that lived there.... lol ... When in fact they seem to of had a tradition having come from somewhere else from the Malsi...


The reason why they claim this is because good chunk of Kosova was Islamised early on and had clearly a significant Christian Albanian population as we can see by 16th century registers and most Muslims seem to of been Albanian too so I gues they wanna pull a theory out of their ass how Kosova Albanians are now Islamised Serbs that magically became Serbs. Only Opoja had some Muslim Slavs that became Albanians later and some parts of Northern Albania. For most there is in fact no evidence. Not to mention 30%-45% of Kosova Serbs are of Albanian origin. As are Turks.

[Pepa]

Is was dinaric race which doesn’t exist among i2a Serbs which proves he wasn’t i2a

[hazmatnik]

10%-15 of Kosova Albanians are certainly not of Serb origin who supposedly descendant from medieval Serbs that lived there, there is no evidence for such things.

You should file a complaint with Rrenjet, thats their estimate

I can only add my observation among my matches on 23andme, that some muhadzirs have I-S17250, which means they were locals asimilated by Albanians who settled in SE Serbia. We even had a name for such people "Arnautash".

[hazmatnik]

Is was dinaric race which doesn’t exist among i2a Serbs which proves he wasn’t i2a

As far as i know about I2a and thats not that much, Herzegovians are among tallest people in Europe, dinaric phenotype is very common and I2a is No1 haplogroup there (in some areas over 50%), so im not sure what you are talking about. Is that some new theory of Elena Kocaqi?

[Pepa]

As far as i know about I2a and thats not that much, Herzegovians are among tallest people in Europe, dinaric phenotype is very common and I2a is No1 haplogroup there (in some areas over 50%), so im not sure what you are talking about. Is that some new theory of Elena Kocaqi?

Nah G height doesn’t mean dinaric Phenotype it’s an albanian thing.

[hazmatnik]

Nah G height doesn’t mean dinaric Phenotype it’s an albanian thing.

Its not just height as i said, many have dinaric phenotype too. And claiming that if you have X haplogroup you cant have Y phenotype doesnt have sense man.