North african "whiteness" false myth

[Optimus]

I think the examples of OP are not fair enough.They seem to be beated prisoners.But he has a point afterall,Berber whiteness is exaggerated.

[Libertas]

I suspect that the Moroccans in Italy are from the poorest class where Subsaharan former slave blood is strongest.

[Peyrol]

I suspect that the Moroccans in Italy are from the poorest class where Subsaharan former slave blood is strongest.

The fact is that many people think "moroccans = pure berbes"....false! 80% of moroccan population is something 33% berber, 33% arabid and 33% negro!

[Anthropologique]

The fact is that many people think "moroccans = pure berbes"....false! 80% of moroccan population is something 33% berber, 33% arabid and 33% negro!

Pure Berbers are rare and usually found mainly in the Riff, Atlas mountains and parts of Algeria. The original (Mesolithic / Neolithic) Berbers were much different than the mixed flotsam you normally find in North Africa today.

[gold_fenix]

Pure Berbers are rare and usually found mainly in the Riff, Atlas mountains and parts of Algeria. The original (Mesolithic / Neolithic) Berbers were much different than the mixed flotsam you normally find in North Africa today.

I don't doubt that Morccians have berbers blood, but has been totally alterated with strong influence of subsaharian and arabic blood and i am agree with Detfri that there are some moroccians with light skin but even in these cases don't look as south europeans, the same unmixed berbers don't look as the average moroccians but either as southeuropean, they certainly have the own look

[Il Principe]

North African "whiteness" is indeed a myth, and moreover, it never existed in the first place. European gene-flow has resulted in a few "white-looking" individuals here and there, although it's obviously a very subjective term. Most of North Africa saturated with black genes, resulting in ugly mulattoid racial types, though there are also undiluted Berbers of a classically handsome Berberid-Mediterranean type, such as Omar Sharif. The area is generally a mixed bag, with both "white" and "black" specimens.

It could be, but slaves should be more common among upper classes than among low classes.

MENA societies were never stratified along class in the same way as European ones. They simply don't have the hereditary European class system in the Islamic world. Obviously, one can speak of "low-class Moroccans" as a social group, but certainly not in the biological sense. There is no racial division between the Moroccan rich and poor, and the Negroid slave blood is about equally distributed in all classes. One should rather look at individuals and tribes for distinguishing racial features, not classes.

(Actually, the fact that Arabs lack the concept of "noble birth" is one of the reasons why they so readily interbred with African slaves and have this admixture. Islamic societies were always slave societies. Even the Sultans were often the sons of harem slaves, something which European rulers found deeply contemptible.)

[Paluga]

The average western european also doesn't look like this :



More like this :

[StonyArabia]

The fact is that many people think "moroccans = pure berbes"....false! 80% of moroccan population is something 33% berber, 33% arabid and 33% negro!

They don't have much Arabian blood. Moroccans are Berbers with some SSA and in some cases European admix usually French or Iberian. Arabian influence is almost rare and nill in most of North Africa.

[Peyrol]

They don't have much Arabian blood. Moroccans are Berbers with some SSA and in some cases European admix usually French or Iberian. Arabian influence is almost rare and nill in most of North Africa.

They have some arabic blood: Almohads imported a lot of colonists from Neghev and northern Yemen to implant cultivation of lemons and oranges (at least, this is what a moroccan guy in my university said me).

[Sikeliot]

As far as I know, North Africans do have something of an Arabian component to their genes.. but Dienekes' "North African" component, which is really a made up one composed of a mixture of SW Asian, Med, and Sub-Saharan masks it .