R1a-M458-L1029*

[Dibran]

It seems to have come with them into the Balkans but then developed in isolation from the other clades

Likely, but uncertain. Time will tell. If NGS really becomes 100 dollars, that will make some huge strides. I know I would start testing more family lol.

Assuming it came with Avaro-Slavs invading Byzantium, the likely tribes were the Baiounitai and or the Dragouvitai. The Baiounitai settled in Epirus around Janina up to Central Albania(they would be the likeliest) and the Dragouvitai in Macedonia, NE Greece. Interestingly the Koci clan was supposedly from Janina or around there, before moving to West Macedonia(where it probably spilled over into Diber, Albania).

[Rethel]

Well, A good part of Belarus, Poland, and Russia(near Urals) is considered a hotspot of Proto-Baltic settlement.

Yes, but it doesn;t mean, that she knew about haplogroups as you sugessted

[Kelmendasi]

Likely, but uncertain. Time will tell. If NGS really becomes 100 dollars, that will make some huge strides. I know I would start testing more family lol.

Assuming it came with Avaro-Slavs invading Byzantium, the likely tribes were the Baiounitai and or the Dragouvitai. The Baiounitai settled in Epirus around Janina up to Central Albania(they would be the likeliest) and the Dragouvitai in Macedonia, NE Greece. Interestingly the Koci clan was supposedly from Janina or around there, before moving to West Macedonia(where it probably spilled over into Diber, Albania).

What about the Pershpalaj, are you gonna test them? And do you still think that the Koçi in Dibra descend from them?

[CabOOM]

What about the Pershpalaj, are you gonna test them? And do you still think that the Koçi in Dibra descend from them?

My opinion is that Koci are too spread out to have come from somewhere. Not to say that it isn't true. Just that its more probable that they didn't come from somewhere, then having come from somewhere. At least not in the past 500 years. There is also the possibility that not all Koci are related, as Dibran explained once. This was apparently a title. Although this is definitely also a probability, I think it is unlikely as well.

[Kelmendasi]

My opinion is that Koci are too spread out to have come from somewhere. Not to say that it isn't true. Just that its more probable that they didn't come from somewhere, then having come from somewhere. At least not in the past 500 years. There is also the possibility that not all Koci are related, as Dibran explained once. This was apparently a title. Although this is definitely also a probability, I think it is unlikely as well.

Yh, Koci is just a military title used by the Ottomans iirc. I was referring to the oral story that Dibran's family have which states that they come from the Pershpalaj of Mirdita

[Dibran]

What about the Pershpalaj, are you gonna test them? And do you still think that the Koçi in Dibra descend from them?

Supposedly(per Trojet if I recall), someone claiming to belong to the fis Pershpalaj tested R1b. If this is in fact true, then it had to be a woman who married in. The other possibility(if we do come from them) is that it had to be a type of adopting. I remember reading it was common place in Mirdit for surviving members of allied houses that were wiped out(due to blood feuds) were adopted into an ally house. This is another scenario but I think less likely. We are most likely connected to the Koci of Epirus that moved to west Macedonia, and then into Diber. Because, todays Macedonian Koci are part of our Fis(though most of them are in Diber Vogel and Tirana).

[Dibran]

My opinion is that Koci are too spread out to have come from somewhere. Not to say that it isn't true. Just that its more probable that they didn't come from somewhere, then having come from somewhere. At least not in the past 500 years. There is also the possibility that not all Koci are related, as Dibran explained once. This was apparently a title. Although this is definitely also a probability, I think it is unlikely as well.

Well, Koci in West Macedonia(where the Koci Epirus settled), and Koci in Albania(Diber Vogel and Central Albania), including some of our line that went to Arbanas in Bulgaria, and Istanbul in Turkey(17-1800s) are all part of our Fis. Koci outside of the aforementioned locations may or may not have anything to do with us.

[CabOOM]

Well, Koci in West Macedonia(where the Koci Epirus settled), and Koci in Albania(Diber Vogel and Central Albania), including some of our line that went to Arbanas in Bulgaria, and Istanbul in Turkey(17-1800s) are all part of our Fis. Koci outside of the aforementioned locations may or may not have anything to do with us.

I agree with you about Koci in Diber Vogel and Macedonia. I'm not entirely confident of Epirus. Although I know it is a possibility. Another fis in our area, the Cami fis(just as big as Koci)also have some distant theories of having come from Epirus. Cameria to be exact. If it is true, I imagine their first line would have come as soldiers for Skenderbeu. This is all undocumented though. Just a wild theory. Now that I think about it, there is also a large fis, Duka. Duka exists in Laberia and not so much in Diber.
From our area they went to Arbanas and also Ukraine. They formed the Arberesh communities there, along with communities from Korca, Ohri, and Carmenika.

[Kelmendasi]

I agree with you about Koci in Diber Vogel and Macedonia. I'm not entirely confident of Epirus. Although I know it is a possibility. Another fis in our area, the Cami fis(just as big as Koci)also have some distant theories of having come from Epirus. Cameria to be exact. If it is true, I imagine their first line would have come as soldiers for Skenderbeu. This is all undocumented though. Just a wild theory. Now that I think about it, there is also a large fis, Duka. Duka exists in Laberia and not so much in Diber.
From our area they went to Arbanas and also Ukraine. They formed the Arberesh communities there, along with communities from Korca, Ohri, and Carmenika.

3 of my cousins are Cami from their mothers side

[Dibran]

I agree with you about Koci in Diber Vogel and Macedonia. I'm not entirely confident of Epirus. Although I know it is a possibility. Another fis in our area, the Cami fis(just as big as Koci)also have some distant theories of having come from Epirus. Cameria to be exact. If it is true, I imagine their first line would have come as soldiers for Skenderbeu. This is all undocumented though. Just a wild theory. Now that I think about it, there is also a large fis, Duka. Duka exists in Laberia and not so much in Diber.
From our area they went to Arbanas and also Ukraine. They formed the Arberesh communities there, along with communities from Korca, Ohri, and Carmenika.

There are no Koci left in Epirus. They went to Western Macedonia, per records. Also L1029 is more common in Epirus and northern Greek R1a where Baiounitai settled. Around Janina specifically(oddly enough this is where they were from too). As for the Duka, we are intermarried with some. There was also a Doukas that ruled in Moldova, after Vasil Kocis son lost power. Doukas married Vasil Lupu Koci's daughter. The same Doukas was supposedly from either Epirus or Macedonia. Maybe thats a connection for Duka?