Idea: A new Atlantic Order ?

[Ice]

Interesting idea. this dissolution will mean that the supremacy of the west will be officially ended. this withdrawal was to be expected. especially after the failed wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

NATO membership does not mean much to Turkey anymore. security issues of the country are ignored. if the Russians and Turks find each other they can fill the vacuum in the east.

[The Lawspeaker]

The thing is: we want to do what benefits us and running the odds of ending up in WWIII because of a bunch of ingrates on the flipside of the Oder-Neisse doesn't benefit us. So, let's do what benefits us and focus on our trade and on our internal relations and setting our own house in order. Eastern Europe is 1) a strategic cluster fuck. 2) a costly distraction.

1) Us having to arm to our teeth to defend people who hate us from other people who hate us is simply bad policy. Bad policy should be reversed.
2) Defending people who hate us from other people who us, is costly and thus takes time and money from things that we should be doing in our own countries: 1. political renewal (further democratisation), 2. getting rid of the migrants 3. creating the conditions where our own families can flourish. 4. improving our own economic conditions by re-industrialising along the Trump model and safe-guarding our own trade routes.

So - looking at it from that point of view: Eastern Europe is a bad idea.

[The Lawspeaker]

Interesting idea. this dissolution will mean that the supremacy of the west will be officially ended. this withdrawal was to be expected. especially after the failed wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

NATO membership does not mean much to Turkey anymore. security issues of the country are ignored. if the Russians and Turks find each other they can fill the vacuum in the east.

And it would also mean that the Turkish migrants should be repatriated. Western defence for Western lands, Western jobs for Western people, Western money for Western families.

[justTosee]

Neither. Our own leftie politicians. Who, funny enough, were trained by those trained by the Russians who supported every major communist and socialist party as late as 1989.

So why are you so pissed about us leaving you to the wolves if you hate us to much ? Answer it. Wouldn't it be more logical to be glad that someone thinks that you shouldn't be in a club that you hate so much ?

The SUBHUMANspeaker, aren't you fully CRUSHED yet ?

Don't you get enough of getting punched everyday, evidently seeing that the West is guilty of everything ?

What proof do you need more ?

"leaving me to the wolfes" ? Whose the wolf here ? Your "European" Western brethren, who supports terrorism and hides behind anti-semitism, or your illusory commie crap ?

And where do you see your commies actually ? do you think "communists" are training french islamic terrorists in Nato held basis in Turkey ?

Do you think the same commies made suicide attacks in Europe ?

You only speak bullshit, to hide and spare the West, unfortunately for you, the evidence is too great.

Just admit it at least

[The Lawspeaker]

The SUBHUMANspeaker, aren't you fully CRUSHED yet ?

Don't you get enough of getting punched everyday, evidently seeing that the West is guilty of everything ?

What proof do you need more ?

"leaving me to the wolfes" ? Whose the wolf here ? Your "European" Western brethren, who supports terrorism and hides behind anti-semitism, or your illusory commie crap ?

And where do you see your commies actually ? do you think "communists" are training french islamic terrorists in Nato held basis in Turkey ?

Do you think the same commies made suicide attacks in Europe ?

You only speak bullshit, to hide and spare the West, unfortunately for you, the evidence is too great.

Just admit it at least

Yawn. Another Russian troll, I guess. The only wolves around are the Reds who killed over 100 million people and those who defend them today. And since it's the modern day commies that defend those suicide attackers, the Reds are responsible for those murders.

There must be a ton of insecurity from your side that, frankly, people aren't particularly interested in the flipside of the Oder-Neisse. We are far more interested in what's going on here in the West and we follow American and British fashions, literature, films, music, arts (leaving you with no influence there either). That must sting you: that even small countries have more influence than you do !

[justTosee]

The thing is: we want to do what benefits us and running the odds of ending up in WWIII because of a bunch of ingrates on the flipside of the Oder-Neisse doesn't benefit us. So, let's do what benefits us and focus on our trade and on our internal relations and setting our own house in order. Eastern Europe is 1) a strategic cluster fuck. 2) a costly distraction.

1) Us having to arm to our teeth to defend people who hate us from other people who hate us is simply bad policy. Bad policy should be reversed.
2) Defending people who hate us from other people who us, is costly and thus takes time and money from things that we should be doing in our own countries: 1. political renewal (further democratisation), 2. getting rid of the migrants 3. creating the conditions where our own families can flourish. 4. improving our own economic conditions by re-industrialising along the Trump model and safe-guarding our own trade routes.

So - looking at it from that point of view: Eastern Europe is a bad idea.

you seem to forget, The ZEROspeaker, that The West also technically allowed eastern europe to be "engulfed" into the URSS

So technicallty, there was no clear will, neither any indication, that URSS wanted to "take" anything. Only aggrement with Nazis and later, with the West Allies made it happen.

And since the fall of Communism, no clear intentions either.

So yeah, take back your bases : we also don't need your money-sucking interest here (it will make you more poor and protect our remaining ressources at the same time )

[The Lawspeaker]

you seem to forget, The ZEROspeaker, that The West also technically allowed eastern europe to be "engulfed" into the URSS

So technicallty, there was no clear will, neither any indication, that URSS wanted to "take" anything. Only aggrement with Nazis and later, with the West Allies made it happen.

And since the fall of Communism, no clear intentions either.

So yeah, take back your bases : we also don't need your money-sucking interest here (it will make you more poor and protect our remaining ressources at the same time )

Yalta was indeed a big mistake. I guess that Patton was the only one who got it right in the end. How funny that he ended up dead so suddenly, aye ? Actually.. your resources are of no value as the Chinese would pay far less for them than we would. And we wouldn't need your resources because we can get those in Canada and America. That's right: Russia depends on Europe's good graces in that field too: if we're not buying your gas and oil. You're kaput. As for the agreements with the Nazi's ? I take it that you refer to Molotov-Ribbentrop.

[justTosee]

Yawn. Another Russian troll, I guess. The only wolves around are the Reds who killed over 100 million people and those who defend them today. And since it's the modern day commies that defend those suicide attackers, the Reds are responsible for those murders.

There must be a ton of insecurity from your side that, frankly, people aren't particularly interested in the flipside of the Oder-Neisse. We are far more interested in what's going on here in the West and we follow American and British fashions, literature, films, music, arts (leaving you with no influence there either). That must sting you: that even small countries have more influence than you do !

Seems like CRUSHED LOWspeaker is so fucking dead, that he sees "red" everywhere

Has he been hold in a psychiatric asylium for paranoia, schyzophrenia & Co lately ? because whatever "butthurt" wall he hits, it's the commies fault

[The Lawspeaker]

Seems like CRUSHED LOWspeaker is so fucking dead, that he sees "red" everywhere

Has he been hold in a psychiatric asylium for paranoia, schyzophrenia & Co lately ? because whatever "butthurt" wall he hits, it's the commies fault

Funny how you say crushed while each time I can give you examples of you shouting out empty propaganda. The fact is that Europe can buy its gas and oil from America and Canada. That we haven't done so YET has two reasons: our policymakers aren't particularly smart (and are on your payroll - Schroeder and Merkel come to mind) and the U.S hasn't given the green light for exports yet but Trump seems to be pushing for that one so this could get interesting. In fact: this dependency is already changing. What would that mean ? That Russia's economy will crash and burn before 2021. Why ? Because gas and oil prices are already low (while this may be some bad news for the Dutch and Norwegian economies - we don't rely on exports.. Russia on the other hand does almost entirely rely on exporting resources) and your economy is in the shitter.

[justTosee]

Yalta was indeed a big mistake. I guess that Patton was the only one who got it right in the end. How funny that he ended up dead so suddenly, aye ? Actually.. your resources are of no value as the Chinese would pay far less for them than we would. And we wouldn't need your resources because we can get those in Canada and America. That's right: Russia depends on Europe's good graces in that field too: if we're not buying your gas and oil. You're kaput. As for the agreements with the Nazi's ? I take it that you refer to Molotov-Ribbentrop.

Patton was subhuman who whould have been shot dead for his ideas luckely he was never taken seriously had it been, there would have been WWIII already. You're not even serious in your own arguments

Same with that retard McCarthy, what for an absolute Idiot

And you're so wrong on anything about Russia : Russia has its own oil, gas for decades, it even can buy it from other neighbouring asian countries but you're just the usual Western crappy low sub-nitellectual backwarded man who keeps repeating the same lies over and over.

That's why i said "crushed" : Even when the West clearly supports Islamic terrorists, you blame "Russian propaganda"

you kept saying about "wolfes", but the only wolfes here are the Western countries, clearly fucking things up with everything : Nato, Terrorism, the world

Why don't you just admit you got nothing to say ? And you're only arguments are returning everything to "commies" fault.