Does European Identity or Unity Exist?

[catgeorge]

Must be crazy to think we pay any attention to what Croats think.

[Ayetooey]

Not really, and there's some Europeans I feel no commonality with. Historically Europe was more like 2-3 regions. There's a vague sense of Europeanness based around religion/Indo-European language (excluding a few nationalities), but that's partly thanks to islamic/turkic/arabic invasions of Anatolia/Mena/North Africa. Had these regions stayed Christian then the concept of European could have evolved to mean something different.

[Veslan]

Common European Identity used to exist, and it was mostly based on christianity to be honest (also on a common Greco-Roman cultural influence to a lesser extent, especially Roman law and Greek art and myths). As Europe started to become more secular, and a few European nations such as Bosniaks and Albanians mass converted to Islam during the Ottoman rule, this sort of identity started to become less meaning. Nowadays "europeaness" is pretty much a slogan pushed by pro-EU liberals who try to force the idea that "european values" are basically liberal democracy, tolerating gays, multi-culti, globohomo etc. however it is historically so wrong and cringeworthy that I don't even think it's worth debunking. Another argument for European unity could be a racial one, although it is very arbitral because many Southern Europeans could pass as Arabs and vice versa. We should remember that, without any irony, "White" is indeed a social construct, while Caucasoid race extents to MENA and even Somalia, so it is not exclusively European.

[Daco Celtic]

No.

In fact, there are 2-3 civilizations in Europe:

- Western - all Catholic and Protestant countries
- Orthodox (the Balkans and former USSR without the Baltic countries)
- some Muslim pockets (Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo, Western Macedonia...)

The idea that Protestant religions, especially evangelical Christianity, have more in common with Catholicism than Orthodox Christianity is a complete farce.

Just like Catholicism?

[Arūnas]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feliks_Koneczny

For example, Koneczny claimed that in the Latin civilization, ethics is the source of law. If some laws are not ethical, then they are changed. Government is judged on the basis of its adherence to ethics. The law is of dual nature, divided into public and private spheres. Religion is autonomous, independent and separated from the state. Individuality, self-rule and decentralization are highly valued. Knowledge is empirical.

In the Byzantine civilization, organized religion is dependent on the state. In this type of civilization all means are justified to achieve political goals. Politicians follow ethics in private life, but in public they are judged by their skills, not by ethics. The legal government has absolute authority and its orders are not doubted. Germany under Bismarck was an example of that type of civilization.

In the Turanian civilization, the government is the source of law and ethics and stands above the law and ethics. The ruler cannot be doubted. Koneczny considered Russia under the Tsars as an example of this type of civilization.

The Jewish civilization considers the law most important. The law is the source of ethics. The law cannot be changed. However, the same law can be differently interpreted, which leads to ethical relativism. Similarly to the Brahmin or Hindu civilization, it is sacral, with religion playing a central role. According to Koneczny, one of the elements of Jewish civilization is a belief in the superior role of one nation or race. Communist states, despite their atheism, are also products of Jewish civilization.

[Jana]

Typical Balkan, always losing their head and infighting with people more similar to them than any other people even within europe. This kind of infighting will kill us all. I wonder what kind of myths your parents told you about the serbs in the 90s.

What is your IQ, 70?

*has no arguments to reply thus goes around with ad hominem

What you are quoting wasn't written by this new Croat member above, it was written by former Hungarian user Stears. And it seems you have 0 arguments to refute it.

In the end, you are not a European, but typical dumb Yank with lack of education.

[Jana]

Must be crazy to think we pay any attention to what Croats think.

You seem triggered.

[Jana]

The idea that Protestant religions, especially evangelical Christianity, have more in common with Catholicism than Orthodox Christianity is a complete farce.

Theologically no, culturally yes.

[JamesBond007]

No, English unity does not exist let a lone European unity. English identity exists but not unity as only wars unite the English but the English have gotten good at war over time. So, I would venture to say no.

[Varda]

LOL

Highest abortion rates in Europe

Lowest life expectancy in Europe

They (orthodox countries, especially Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus) also have the highest divorce and homicide rates in Europe.




The slight differences???

MEMENTO:

Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:

1. POLITICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL development: Medieval appearance of parliaments (The parliament is a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the very beginnings of human history), the estates of the realm, the clergy, the nobility, and the commoners,

2. Local SELF GOVERNMENT status of big royal/imperial cities, which are the direct ancestors (the continuity) of modern local self governmental systems. Do not confuse the local self governments with the so-called city states. Sovereign city states were the earliest form of states in Human history ( For example: Sumerian city states), and that legal concept has nothing common with the self-governments/local governments of cities within a country or within an Empire.

3. ECONOMY: The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.)

4. HIGHER EDUCATION: The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of SECULAR intellectuals,

5. CULTURE: Knights, the knight-culture, chivalric code, (and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,)

Music and literature: courtly love, troubadours, Gregorian chant, Ars nova, Organum, Motet, Madrigal, Canon and Ballata, Liturgical drama, Novellas,

medieval western THEATER: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays, which developed into the renaissance theater, the direct ancestor of modern theaters.

Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,

6. The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,

7. TECHNOLOGY: The guild system is an association of artisans or merchants, which organized the training education, and directed master's exam system for artisians. Due to the compulsory foreign studies of the artisian master's candidates, the guilds played key role in the fast spread of technologies and industrial knowledge in the medieval Western World.

8. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone/brick castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls . The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly - with a single decesive open-field battle - due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the Greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.)

9. FINEARTS and ARCHITECTURE: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style.

The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by oriental non-European arabic, persian and Syrian influenced Byzantine ornamentics.

10.The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.

11. Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century. Their infrastructural and economic development was also very very slow, and many determinant factors of modern civilization - as we called them as civilized way of life - (railways, the electrification of cities, drain & sewer systems, water pipe systems, spread of tap water and bathrooms, telecommuncations etc... spread many-many decades (60-80 years) later.



LOL



Catholics + Protestant = the Western world a.k.a European civilization with their offshots in the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Copy paste bullshits of Stears.