Berbers, do you consider them white?

[Deneb]

Most of them don't pass in Europe, not even in Southern Europe. North Africans have a very strong berberid/saharid vibe, and because of it they are impassable in Southern Europe (let alone Central/Northern Europe).

ALGERIA national football team. The following players were selected for the 2019 Africa Cup of Nations Tournament (Wikipedia).

Azzedine Doukha

Aissa Mandi

Mehdi Tahrat

Djamel Benlamri

Rafik Halliche

Mohamed Fares

Mehdi Zeffane

Youcef Atal

Ramy Bensebaini

Adlene Guedioura

Mehdi Abeid

Ismael Bennacer

Riyad Mahrez

Sofiane Feghouli

Yacine Brahimi

Youcef Belaili

Baghdad Bounedjah

Islam Slimani

4 players who are not fully Algerians: Raïs M'Bolhi (black) , Alexandre Oukidja (half French), Hicham Boudaoui (black) and Andy Delort (half French).

[Adamm]

Berbers are not whites and shouldn't be considered whites, they are North Africans and that's just it. Their DNA component consists of SSA, Levantine and indigenous N. African DNA and for some here and there a small percentage of South European admixture. Most Berbers have a color and some could be even white skinned, it's really diverse. A father could be brown as fuck and his son could be a vampire, I see that shit a lot. Also the phenotype of the N. African is very different from whites, sure you got some outliers who could pass as European, but that's probably because of a relatively high European admixture (which makes sense in that case). When it comes to Berbers you got 2 extremes:

The afrocentrists: They claim that Berbers were originally sub saharan people and thus black.
The nordiccentrists: They claim that Berbers were white Caucasian people, which is obviously not true as DNA has shown us.

Berbers go trough the Iberomaurusians, if you understand this you can never claim that Berbers are white.

Berbers are basically mutts between SAA and Eurasian admixture.

[The Blade]

When a North African looks like Zidane or Rami Malek I can only consider them Caucasoid.
This doesn't mean I find them specifically Euro looking but yes, those I mentioned are white men.
However, many North Africans have some SSA admixture and I don't consider Arabids white either.
I refrain from voting.

[dududud]

They are what they are: North African. Come on...

They are neither Basque, Neither Swedish, Neither Catalan, Neither Iberian, etc. They are what they are with their genetic constitution and their variation of pigmentation, that's all. Like the Kalash people, distant to Europeans (but with a common contribution) and with their genetic signature, etc. Berber have neolithic blood, like sardinians, so they have a native "european" contribution, like Kalash have a native european contribution, but this is not due to colonization. As the sub-Saharan contribution is old, and not recent, among the North Africans.

The variation of phenotype and pigmentation exists among them, as in Kalash, and some have preserved more "European" genes (I do not only speak about the color of the eyes and the hair), but that does not change their genetic constitution. overall.

The blue or hazel eyes or light brown in North Africa are native, they are not due to the colonization of Iberian or Germanic.

It's old. As the "west-med" contribution is an old contribution that was not brought by the Iberians, old neolithic thing.

[kevinmac]

Even Berbers are diverse. It really all depends who we are looking at.

[Phenix]

Re the fourth guy: I actually find that North Africans often look more South Asian than do many Middle Easterners (e.g. Turks and Levantines).

Most Arab migrations to Maghreb was from Hijaz, it can helps understand why they relate more to Arabians and thus look South Asian someway.

As a Kabyle girl I am white


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[Negah]

Do Kabyle consider themselves white?

[Cristiano viejo]

They are what they are: North African. Come on...

They are neither Basque, Neither Swedish, Neither Catalan, Neither Iberian, etc.

Not sure if you are aware that Catalans and Basques are Iberians

[Nassbean]

Do Kabyle consider themselves white?

white in the sense "white skinned" yes or in the sense lighter than the average --> maybe but white in the sense "europeans" no

[Lobster]

Indeed, they are white Caucasoids. Many Amazighs from Atlas mountains are naturaly blond or ginger with blue eyes. Those people have NOTHING to do with Sub-Saharan Africa!