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Mortimer
11-18-2013, 01:41 AM
some say they are southindian some say they are northindian.
YeshAtid
11-18-2013, 01:47 AM
I personally think the term "Roma" describes a group of ethnicities rather than a monolith. A few have very veddoid features, which could imply a Southern origin.
Mortimer
11-18-2013, 02:02 AM
I personally think the term "Roma" describes a group of ethnicities rather than a monolith. A few have very veddoid features, which could imply a Southern origin.
i think it describes a ethnicity not a group of ethnicities. there are sub-divisions but it is one ethnicity. they are divided by family clans, occupations, languages they adopted and religion but that doesnt make them another ethnicity as in ethnic origins. they all have the same origins. and how do you know some have very weddoid features? did you studied them? i didnt but i know a few from real life and i guess most look similar
Black Wolf
11-18-2013, 02:11 AM
Most Roma ancestors probably originated mainly in North/Northwestern India. There is a possibility though that they may have some South Indian ancestry as well I suppose. Genetic studies seem to support a North Indian origin for the majority of Roma.
''Genetic evidence[edit]
Genetic findings in 2012 suggest they originated in northwest India and migrated as a group.[78][79] According to a genetic study in 2012, the ancestors of present scheduled tribes and scheduled caste populations of northern India, traditionally referred to collectively as the Ḍoma, are the likely ancestral populations of modern European Roma.[80] In December 2012, additional findings appeared to confirm the "Roma came from a single group that left northwestern India about 1,500 years ago.[dubious – discuss]"[79] They reached the Balkans about 900 years ago, and then spread throughout Europe. The team found that, despite some isolation, the Roma were "genetically similar to other Europeans."[78][79] Contemporary populations suggested as sharing a close relationship to the Romani are the Dom people of Western Asia and North Africa, and the Banjara of India.[81]
Genetic evidence supports the mediaeval migration from India. The Romani have been described as "a conglomerate of genetically isolated founder populations",[82] while a number of common Mendelian disorders among Romanies from all over Europe indicates "a common origin and founder effect".[82][83] A study from 2001 by Gresham et al. suggests "a limited number of related founders, compatible with a small group of migrants splitting from a distinct caste or tribal group".[84] The same study found that "a single lineage ... found across Romani populations, accounts for almost one-third of Romani males."[84] A 2004 study by Morar et al. concluded that the Romani population "was founded approximately 32–40 generations ago, with secondary and tertiary founder events occurring approximately 16–25 generations ago".[85] The discovery in 2009 of the "Jat mutation" that causes a type of glaucoma in Romani populations suggests that the Romani people are the descendants of the Jat people found in the Indian subcontinent.[86][87] This relation to Jats had earlier been suggested by Michael Jan de Goeje in 1883.[88] The 2009 glaucoma study, however, contradicts an earlier study that compared the most common haplotypes found in Romani groups with those found in Jat Sikhs and Jats from Haryana and found no matches.[89]''
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
Smeagol
11-18-2013, 02:12 AM
Probably North Indian. Most of them are North Indid, Gracile-Indid, and Indo-Brachid. You can find some Veddid influenced ones too, but Veddid features are also present in the North Indians to a degree, especially in the lower castes.
StonyArabia
11-18-2013, 02:13 AM
Roma seem to descent from the warrior caste that fought and then exiled during the Turkic invasions of India.
Its pretty much settled that Roma have Northern Indian ancestry by all the latest DNA studies, not southern.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0058633
Fortis in Arduis
11-23-2013, 10:35 AM
Roma seem to descent from the warrior caste that fought and then exiled during the Turkic invasions of India.
Mahmud of Ghazni has been suggested as the catalyst for the Roma migrations. That was all about North India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_of_Ghazni
asingh
11-26-2013, 09:45 AM
Its pretty much settled that Roma have Northern Indian ancestry by all the latest DNA studies, not southern.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0058633
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