Are the French basically Germans?

[JQP4545]

The Franks were Germanic tribes so does this mean that most French are German genetically?

[Anglojew]

Gaul was Celtic. Modern France is a hybrid between Med, Celt and Germanic similar to Britain but in different proportions.

[Tooting Carmen]

Except for people from Alsace-Lorraine, who are mainly ethnically German anyway, absolutely not. The French are noticeably darker and more Medish as a whole than the Germans, excluding the Northern and Eastern regions of the country at least.

[Virtuous]

Gauls were Celtic, Franks Germanic, then came the swarthy Romans and mixed with em, then came the Jutes (Danish Vikings/Northern Germanics) that conquered and mixed with the Northeners, absorbed the local culture and became Normans. French are a mix of all those, plus Algerians and other Africans.

[Longbowman]

23andme think so. I suspect they're closely related on a genetic level. Certainly in the case of the Northern French.

[JQP4545]

Gauls were Celtic, Franks Germanic, then came the swarthy Romans and mixed with em, then came the Juts (Danish Vikings) that conquered and mixed with the Northeners, absorbed the local culture and became Normans. French are a mix of all those, plus Algerians and other Africans.

I'm talking about genes not culture. Just because the Gauls were Celtic doesn't mean they looked like Irish people, it just means they had a Celtic culture.

[Virtuous]

I'm talking about genes not culture. Just because the Gauls were Celtic doesn't mean they looked like Irish people, it just means they had a Celtic culture.

Can't tell you about that because I don't know, but there are many depictions of how Gauls in France actually were.

[Tooting Carmen]

23andme think so. I suspect they're closely related on a genetic level. Certainly in the case of the Northern French.

Maybe for the Northern French, but the French as a whole cluster in between Britain and Germany on the one hand, and Spain and Northern Italy on the other, on genetic plot maps, which correlates with them being a Norther-Southern European hybrid nation.

[Longbowman]

Maybe for the Northern French, but the French as a whole cluster in between Britain and Germany on the one hand, and Spain and Northern Italy on the other, on genetic plot maps, which correlates with them being a Norther-Southern European hybrid nation.

Why a hybrid? Just an intermediate nation.

[Smeagol]

No.

[Longbowman]

No.

Concise. You should write blurbs for DVD jackets.

[Smeagol]

Concise. You should write blurbs for DVD jackets.

I should, and I will.

[Baluarte]

Jean Reno is impressed to be German
http://medias.myfrenchfilmfestival.com/medias/153/243/62361/format_page/jean-reno.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Why a hybrid? Just an intermediate nation.

Well alright then.

[Tooting Carmen]

Some threads of mine of the French, in order to help out: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98736-Ethnic-French-rugby-players&highlight=ethnic+french+rugby+players http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?98937-Members-of-Paris-City-Council&highlight=paris+city+council

[Baluarte]

Google images "French men":
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=629&q=french+men&oq=french+men&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1841.5757.0.5881.21.16.2.0.0.1.35 9.1420.2j4j0j2.8.0....0...1ac.1.32.img..13.8.734.r 3LR_v6UYzk#hl=en&q=french+men&tbm=isch&imgdii=_

Quite accurate imo.

[StonyArabia]

Northern French= Celto-Germanic, Southern French=Iberians

[Tooting Carmen]

Google images "French men":
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=629&q=french+men&oq=french+men&gs_l=img.3..0l10.1841.5757.0.5881.21.16.2.0.0.1.35 9.1420.2j4j0j2.8.0....0...1ac.1.32.img..13.8.734.r 3LR_v6UYzk#hl=en&q=french+men&tbm=isch&imgdii=_

Quite accurate imo.

Those photos confirm the first of my postings in this thread.

[Tooting Carmen]

Northern French= Celto-Germanic, Southern French=Iberians

A gross over-simplification, but there is some truth in that.

[DeaththeKid]

The Franks were a Germanic tribe that conquered Gaul just like the Visigoths conquered Iberia. In both cases they became the ruling class but they didn't bring enough of their own people to replace the native population and were eventually absorbed.

[Smaug]

Of course not, please! The French are Gallo-Romans with Frankish input.

[Rouxinol]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/62439000/jpg/_62439211_015410155-1.jpg

[Gaita]

No.

[Vesuvian Sky]

Only at c. 5th century AD, the 'French', aka the Franks, were Germanic. This should clear things up nicely:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/GeneralSpielsdorf/Gallo_Roman_and_Burgundian__late_5t.jpg

However, its aspects of the pre-Frankish Gallo-Roman culture that come to define present day French people mostly. Genetics would probably confirm the same since the Franks showed up as a ruling elite.

[Fincher]

They seem more Celtic/Med than Germanic proper.

[Peyrol]

The Franks were Germanic tribes so does this mean that most French are German genetically?

Nope.
Majority of population is of gallo-romance stock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallo-Romance_languages

Except Alsace-Lorraine they aren't germans or germanic despite some american claims in this board.

[Geist]

Anyone can spot their differencies.

[Peyrol]

Northern French= Celto-Germanic, Southern French=Iberians

100 years of occitan culture is now ''iberian''. :lol:
Count Arnau would be pleased of this comparison, but...hell not, abslutely anti-historical statement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occitania

[Fincher]

Except for people from Alsace-Lorraine, who are mainly ethnically German anyway, absolutely not. The French are noticeably darker and more Medish as a whole than the Germans, excluding the Northern and Eastern regions of the country at least.

How do those regions compare?

[Sikeliot]

Northern French are Latinized Germanic/Celtic, southern French are Gallo-Romance.

[Trebal]

Maybe for the Northern French, but the French as a whole cluster in between Britain and Germany on the one hand, and Spain and Northern Italy on the other, on genetic plot maps, which correlates with them being a Norther-Southern European hybrid nation.

France and Germany are definitely by far closer related than Britain and Germany. Germans and the British have absolutely NOTHING in common.

[Peyrol]

Northern French are Latinized Germanic/Celtic, southern French are Gallo-Romance.

Even Oil Languages, standard french included, are considered galloromance.

[Sikeliot]

Even Oil Languages, standard french included, are considered galloromance.

I mean by blood. Northern French are genetically closer to Belgians, Dutch, and English I'd assume, while southern French are near Iberians and northern Italians.

[Fincher]

Would these French be atypical in the North?

http://www.udenap.org/photos/b/brialy_jean_claude.jpg
http://alisashortfilm.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/truffautportrait.jpg
http://cinememory.free.fr/photos/jean%20claude%20drouotlcolor.JPG
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2xo1yR7ZV1rnk8yfo1_1280.jpg
http://www.linternaute.com/humour/betisier/selection/anecdotes-droles/image/ok-horizontal/jeanyanne2.jpg

[jmls]

No, they are GalloRomance people.

[Balmung]

No.

According to French law everyone in France is French so that means the Africans and Arabs are ethnic French too.

[Manifest Destiny]

Northern French= Celto-Germanic, Southern French=Iberians

So the French national soccer team is comprised mainly of Southern Frenchmen?

[Dreger22310]

41876

What about Bretons? 90% R-L21, more than 500 kms far from Paris, more than 1000 kms far from Germany. In your opinion, are we germans as well?
Let be clear, Normans and Bretons are closer to people from the British Isles than to hypothetical "Germans". Just draw a line between Le Havre and La Rochelle, those who live north of that line are close to Britons. Other French are foreigners to Bretons. There is more genetic proximity between people from Brittany, Normandy and Britain than between Breton people and "other French". Normans bellyache Bretons and are more bastardised than us but the genetic proximity between us remains.

[Tooting Carmen]

France and Germany are definitely by far closer related than Britain and Germany. Germans and the British have absolutely NOTHING in common.

Are you saying that the French are lighter-pigmented and more Germanic than the British, despite all the genetic and physiological evidence to the contrary? (Not that there is anything about being more Med/Latin-influenced, of course). Incidentally, I have a thread comparing (native White) women MPs from London, Paris and Berlin. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?105304-Female-MPs-from-London-Paris-and-Berlin-compare-and-contrast&highlight=female+london%2C+paris+berlin

[Übermensch]

French closest relatives in terms of genetics are Belgians,Dutch and Germans indeed.
In terms of look i think Dutch,British and Germans are very close, mostly nordic racially (of Anglo-saxon and Troender types) while French people are mostly alpines , they are medium pigmentated,of short/averege height and brachicephalic, altough most of Germans-Dutch are brachicephalic they have smaller heads than them, narrower and shorter.
Typical German,Dutch,British look (which is uncommon in France):

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PU3YeJXS9vg/TZtwxzhKywI/AAAAAAAAAH0/W4ee7YRr-H4/s1600/paul_bettany.jpg Troender-anglosaxon


http://www.hdwallcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/97.jpg faelid-bruenn


http://static.goal.com/24200/24205.jpg Borreby

French are much closer to south Germans and Belgians than to Italians or Spanish in terms of look though.

[Wuotan]

Northern French are Latinized Germanic/Celtic, southern French are Gallo-Romance.

Probably the most accurate simple-summary in this thread.

[Rouxinol]

The Rhine, the Pyrinees, the Alps and the English channel are racial barriers that make the French have their own French looks.

[Peyrol]

The Rhine, the Pyrinees, the Alps and the English channel are racial barriers that make the French have their own French looks.

Yes and not.
Because great part of west Piemont speak vivaroalpine langue d'oc and Vallèe D'Aoste the arpitan variant of Langue D'Oil...

[Fincher]

The first image that comes to mind when I picture a Frenchman is an Atlantid or North-Atlantid with varying degrees of alpine and dinarid admixture.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes and not.
Because great part of west Piemont speak vivaroalpine langue d'oc and Vallèe D'Aoste the arpitan variant of Langue D'Oil...

Well, North Italians are not too distant genetically from the French, but South Italians are not even close whatsoever.

[Peyrol]

Well, North Italians are not too distant genetically from the French, but South Italians are not even close whatsoever.

Obviously, except some isolated people.

[Tooting Carmen]

Obviously, except some isolated people.

Yes, I forgot about the Normans in Palermo, but those are exceptions to the rule.

[SKYNET]

basically Germans? Nope.

[morski]

The Germans are basically East French.:laugh:

[Figaro]

I seem to speak a lot with folks on here on the issue of genetics/language in certain nations, and I hear a lot of "Well, when tribe X settled and tribe Y..."...you cannot expect that the modern inhabitants are a direct and complete transplant of those who lent their namesake to the place.

[WOOHP]

Where is Rudel? :laugh:

[Figaro]

Even some Alsatians have a meddish and not-so-Germanic look. The Dinarid race is also very well represented there.

[Axel]

Most French people and Italians too are indistinguishable from Germans yes unless they have foreign ancestry like some French near the Spain border mixed with the dark Mediterranean Spaniards and some Italians mixed with the dark Mediterranean Greeks

[Neon Knight]

The Eurogenes maps show a little overlap between central French and Germans and British, so the northern French will obviously have considerable overlap with both Gerries and Brits. The tendency of blondism in Germans creates the illusion that the genetic differences are greater than they actually are.

[Sockorer]

No, I have no idea why 23andme puts the French and Germans together, especially since they have British and Scandinavian categories.

Germans are on the whole way closer to Brits and Scandos, especially to Brits.

Although the French are definitely closer to Germans and Brits than to anyone else they are still quite a distinct population.

[Tooting Carmen]

Although the French are definitely closer to Germans and Brits than to anyone else, they are still quite a distinct population.

In many parts of France yes, but even the ones from Aquitaine, Languedoc-Rousillon, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur etc?

[Sockorer]

In many parts of France yes, but even the ones from Aquitaine, Languedoc-Rousillon, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur etc?

I should have said France as a whole is closer to Germans and Brits than to anyone else.

That being said, I don't know enough about these regions to say if they're closer to Iberians/North Italians or Brits/Germans.

It's Plausible they're closer to Iberians/North Italians than to Brits/Germans.

[Petalpusher]

No, I have no idea why 23andme puts the French and Germans together, especially since they have British and Scandinavian categories.

They need a core West-Euro cluster. Defining everything by how strictly German something is, only exists in forum mindsets, geneticians don't care about that. Having this cluster enable them to include a lot of pan French&German populations such as Belgian, Swiss, Austrian and even Dutch. On the other hand they had to have a distinct Brit&Irish cluster, it would confuse anyone in America to find out they are 80% "Germanic" + something when their whole family is colonial English, even if they are mainly Germanic infine.

The Brit&Irish cluster is interesting, it's very roughly composed ancestrally of 1/3 Northern half France + 1/3 Germany + 1/3 Scandinavia. People scoring very high on it (and very natives) usually have low to none Scandinavian, because it's already in there, no Brit would plot with North Dutch, German or even close to Danes if it wasn't there. People assume wrongly that the French&German is the more Northern Euro cluster, it has some North Europe obviously but it has a wider spectrum to make a lot of population score some of it. The second most Northern after Scandanivia is definetly the Brit on 23&me, with much less variation, it's a tighter one of 3 North Europe gradients.
That's another reason some 23 results i ve seen lately don't make any sense (another subject...)


There is also this whole area of overlap where everybody is very close, going from Northern France, Benelux to West and South Germany, it covers a huge amount of land, it could be a big country on its own. Brits overlap with a more Northern layer just on top of it similar to North Dutch, North German, etc..basically all sub-scando pop.

[Neon Knight]

It would be interesting to have a large group of natural blonds from all over Europe and see how well people could pick out the Germans and Scandies. Not very well I imagine.

Another thought: put the genes for blond hair and blue eyes into every native French person. How much would that alter their position on a genetic plot map of Europeans? By virtually nothing, I'd guess.

[Alially]

Just francizied germans have germanic agency. The rest is totally romans
You can consider alsace is germanic

[Tooting Carmen]

It would be interesting to have a large group of natural blonds from all over Europe and see how well people could pick out the Germans and Scandies. Not very well I imagine.

Spot the two Spaniards among these Swedes:
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250049713.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/181343.pnghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250037611.jpghttp://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/13444555/800/normal/e624a827a6139/Oscar-Wendt.jpghttp://www.realmadridfans.org/guti/28359yv0.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250006102.jpghttp://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article6289370.ece/alternates/w620/SS-14-4-Larsson.jpghttp://u.goal.com/106600/106663hp2.jpg

[Hevo]

Franks are not even Germans but Germanic to begin with.

[Neon Knight]

These two?

http://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/181343.png

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250006102.jpg

[Neon Knight]

It would be interesting to have a large group of natural blonds from all over Europe and see how well people could pick out the Germans and Scandies. Not very well I imagine.

EDIT: Natural blue-eyed blonds to make it a tighter experiment.

[Figaro]

Also to put into perspective...even German/Germanic speaking parts of what is now Southern Germany, while indeed Linguistically Germanic, probably do not have inherited more than a moderate amount of DNA from invaders from Jutland and east. So, while Southern Germans are Germanic in a cultural sense, that appears then to be the qualifer to call them Germanic.

The Franks were a Germanic elite in France, but in my eyes most French are at the core Gallo-Romans. To say they are Germanic through and through is due to some faulty logic. By such logic, most Americans are Englishmen.

[Balmung]

Nay but apparently the English are basically French/Germans. Rudel would be proud.


Spot the two Spaniards among these Swedes:
http://www.realmadridfans.org/guti/28359yv0.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250006102.jpg

These two, you should have made it harder.



Spot the two Spaniards among these Swedes:
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250049713.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250037611.jpghttp://u.goal.com/106600/106663hp2.jpg

Sweet mother of incel.

[Neon Knight]

Also to put into perspective...even German/Germanic speaking parts of what is now Southern Germany, while indeed Linguistically Germanic, probably do not have inherited more than a moderate amount of DNA from invaders from Jutland and east. So, while Southern Germans are Germanic in a cultural sense, that appears then to be the qualifer to call them Germanic.

The Franks were a Germanic elite in France, but in my eyes most French are at the core Gallo-Romans. To say they are Germanic through and through is due to some faulty logic. By such logic, most Americans are Englishmen.

Western European genetic pie charts: http://i657.photobucket.com/albums/uu295/Alchemyst/cb3c74f3-be07-436e-b914-1288030774ad_zpsbu3kb2rk.png

It mostly supports what you say but the southern Germans are not all that different to the northerners.

The English actually have a more direct connection to Danes than Germans do.

[Valmont]

EDIT: Natural blue-eyed blonds to make it a tighter experiment.

That would be a very interesting thread. It would be also nice if we all posted pictures of blondes from our countries to see if they'd be considered blonde everywhere.

[Antimage]

Except for people from Alsace-Lorraine, who are mainly ethnically German anyway, absolutely not. The French are noticeably darker and more Medish as a whole than the Germans, excluding the Northern and Eastern regions of the country at least.

the avarage french is barely darker than the avarage german. most of the time the french(proper french, notz immigrants) look british to me.

[Valmont]

Also to put into perspective...even German/Germanic speaking parts of what is now Southern Germany, while indeed Linguistically Germanic, probably do not have inherited more than a moderate amount of DNA from invaders from Jutland and east. So, while Southern Germans are Germanic in a cultural sense, that appears then to be the qualifer to call them Germanic.

The Franks were a Germanic elite in France, but in my eyes most French are at the core Gallo-Romans. To say they are Germanic through and through is due to some faulty logic. By such logic, most Americans are Englishmen.



the avarage french is barely darker than the avarage german. most of the time the french(proper french, notz immigrants) look british to me.

Here's the thread I created yesterday about ethnic French people from my area. That could give you guys something to base yourselves off.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?175592-Lyonnais-Phenotypes-(Rh%F4ne-Alpes-France)

Curious to know what y'all think about it, do you think many show remnants of Frankish genes? Do they resemble more their northern or southern neighbors?

[Alially]

With lots of wave of germanic immigration at early phase, northen franks mix with germanics (mostly with flemish)

[Peter Nirsch]

absolutely no.

[Willem]

Belgians are close to the French, but not Germans, especially East Germans.

[Szegedist]

The Franks were Germanic tribes so does this mean that most French are German genetically?

Bro do you even logic?

[Deneb]

The Franks were Germanic tribes so does this mean that most French are German genetically?

Invaders seldom have a big impact over native populations.

[Grace O'Malley]

They need a core West-Euro cluster. Defining everything by how strictly German something is, only exists in forum mindsets, geneticians don't care about that. Having this cluster enable them to include a lot of pan French&German populations such as Belgian, Swiss, Austrian and even Dutch. On the other hand they had to have a distinct Brit&Irish cluster, it would confuse anyone in America to find out they are 80% "Germanic" + something when their whole family is colonial English, even if they are mainly Germanic infine.

The Brit&Irish cluster is interesting, it's very roughly composed ancestrally of 1/3 Northern half France + 1/3 Germany + 1/3 Scandinavia. People scoring very high on it (and very natives) usually have low to none Scandinavian, because it's already in there, no Brit would plot with North Dutch, German or even close to Danes if it wasn't there. People assume wrongly that the French&German is the more Northern Euro cluster, it has some North Europe obviously but it has a wider spectrum to make a lot of population score some of it. The second most Northern after Scandanivia is definetly the Brit on 23&me, with much less variation, it's a tighter one of 3 North Europe gradients.
That's another reason some 23 results i ve seen lately don't make any sense (another subject...)


There is also this whole area of overlap where everybody is very close, going from Northern France, Benelux to West and South Germany, it covers a huge amount of land, it could be a big country on its own. Brits overlap with a more Northern layer just on top of it similar to North Dutch, North German, etc..basically all sub-scando pop.

A very impressive post. I agree with everything you've said Petalpusher. This is in line with what I've noticed as well. The Irish score very high levels of British&Irish with not much else whereas Scandinavians have a much more varied AC and usually score Scandinavian, British&Irish, French&German and even small amounts of Iberian. I really think the British&Irish cluster swallows up a lot of other categories and they don't break down Irish ancestry at all on 23andMe and FTDNA otherwise the Irish are the "purest" Europeans. :)

[Grace O'Malley]

Spot the two Spaniards among these Swedes:
http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250049713.jpghttp://futhead.cursecdn.com/static/img/14/players/181343.pnghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250037611.jpghttp://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/13444555/800/normal/e624a827a6139/Oscar-Wendt.jpghttp://www.realmadridfans.org/guti/28359yv0.jpghttp://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/1/2015/324x324/250006102.jpghttp://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article6289370.ece/alternates/w620/SS-14-4-Larsson.jpghttp://u.goal.com/106600/106663hp2.jpg

5 & 6 are Spanish.

[Alessio]

I mean by blood. Northern French are genetically closer to Belgians, Dutch, and English I'd assume, while southern French are near Iberians and northern Italians.

I have some AC's and kitnumbers from far southern French and none of them are even close to most northern Italians, but somewhat closer to south Tyroleans.

They're halfway northern French and northern Italians genetically and closer to Iberians.

[King Claus]

23andme think so. I suspect they're closely related on a genetic level. Certainly in the case of the Northern French.

North wesernt germans are vastly different from the rest, though.

[Alessio]

Southern French sample from the region of ''Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur'' (Marseille,lambesc, rognes, alleins, mallemort, Banon)

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 39.35
2 West_Med 24.45
3 Baltic 18.06
4 East_Med 9.10
5 West_Asian 5.34
6 Red_Sea 3.38

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French @ 6.219453
2 Spanish_Galicia @ 8.021850
3 Spanish_Cataluna @ 8.194168
4 Portuguese @ 8.958900
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 9.127034
6 Southwest_French @ 9.274776
7 Spanish_Cantabria @ 9.434331
8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.356513
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 10.743769
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 10.889361
11 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.124299
12 South_Dutch @ 11.375083
13 West_German @ 11.730924
14 Spanish_Andalucia @ 12.287714
15 Spanish_Aragon @ 13.080251
16 North_Italian @ 14.537676
17 Austrian @ 15.802230
18 Southeast_English @ 17.048258
19 Southwest_English @ 17.635374
20 East_German @ 17.803457

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +50% Serbian @ 2.978740


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.103547


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belorussian + French_Basque + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.046718
2 Austrian + French_Basque + Serbian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.077701
3 French_Basque + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Russian_Smolensk @ 2.103547
4 Austrian + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.105749
5 Austrian + French_Basque + Serbian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.126122
6 French_Basque + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Lithuanian @ 2.181746
7 French + French_Basque + Moldavian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.191750
8 Austrian + French_Basque + Romanian + Southwest_French @ 2.221100
9 Austrian + French_Basque + Serbian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.223927
10 Estonian_Polish + French_Basque + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.232227
11 French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.270553
12 East_German + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.275491
13 Croatian + French + French_Basque + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.283438
14 Austrian + French_Basque + Serbian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.288745
15 French + French_Basque + Moldavian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.291223
16 French + French_Basque + Moldavian + Portuguese @ 2.298870
17 East_German + French_Basque + Serbian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.304612
18 East_German + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.327462
19 East_German + French_Basque + Romanian + Spanish_Aragon @ 2.362427
20 Austrian + French_Basque + Serbian + Spanish_Galicia @ 2.388443

Eurogenes V2 K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 32.39
2 North_Sea 20.04
3 West_Med 19.16
4 Baltic 8.09
5 Eastern_Euro 7.11
6 West_Asian 4.97
7 East_Med 4.57
8 Red_Sea 3.67


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_French @ 6.673033
2 Spanish_Cantabria @ 7.098687
3 Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.636234
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 8.045454
5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8.277026
6 Spanish_Valencia @ 8.929327
7 Spanish_Aragon @ 9.119167
8 Spanish_Extremadura @ 9.513855
9 Spanish_Murcia @ 9.821149
10 Portuguese @ 10.081958
11 Spanish_Andalucia @ 10.473685
12 Spanish_Galicia @ 10.775744
13 French @ 11.281175
14 South_Dutch @ 14.249675
15 North_Italian @ 15.344846
16 French_Basque @ 16.514297
17 Southwest_English @ 18.137377
18 Austrian @ 18.660511
19 Southeast_English @ 19.428259
20 East_German @ 19.572796

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +50% Serbian @ 4.797364


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +25% Romanian +25% South_Dutch @ 3.355704


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + French_Basque + French_Basque + Moldavian @ 3.120826
2 French + French_Basque + French_Basque + Serbian @ 3.169934
3 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + South_Dutch @ 3.355704
4 French_Basque + French_Basque + Serbian + South_Dutch @ 3.377400
5 East_German + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.384702
6 East_German + French_Basque + Southwest_French + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.433907
7 Austrian + French + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.449148
8 East_German + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.459633
9 East_German + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.489181
10 Austrian + French + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.490239
11 East_German + French_Basque + Spanish_Cantabria + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.490770
12 French + French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian @ 3.499830
13 Austrian + French + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon @ 3.540957
14 East_German + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.553392
15 East_German + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.561911
16 East_German + French_Basque + Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.642608
17 East_German + French_Basque + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.646800
18 East_German + French_Basque + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Spanish_Galicia @ 3.653650
19 Austrian + French + French_Basque + Southwest_French @ 3.654384
20 French_Basque + French_Basque + Romanian + West_German @ 3.665445

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.6% Southwest_French + 28.4% South_Dutch @ 3.51
2 78.9% Southwest_French + 21.1% North_German @ 3.58
3 70.3% Spanish_Aragon + 29.7% East_German @ 3.58
4 56.2% French_Basque + 43.8% Serbian @ 3.73
5 73.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 26.9% East_German @ 3.81
6 66.6% Southwest_French + 33.4% French @ 3.86
7 81.4% Southwest_French + 18.6% Danish @ 3.89
8 76.2% Spanish_Cantabria + 23.8% Austrian @ 3.89
9 80% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 20% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.9
10 81.8% Southwest_French + 18.2% North_Dutch @ 3.96
11 80.7% Southwest_French + 19.3% Irish @ 4.01
12 81.4% Southwest_French + 18.6% West_Scottish @ 4.01
13 78.1% Spanish_Aragon + 21.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.03
14 79.3% Southwest_French + 20.7% Southeast_English @ 4.03
15 91.4% Southwest_French + 8.6% Tabassaran @ 4.04
16 79.5% Southwest_French + 20.5% East_German @ 4.05
17 78.1% Southwest_French + 21.9% Southwest_English @ 4.08
18 74.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 25.4% North_German @ 4.11
19 85.3% Southwest_French + 14.7% North_Swedish @ 4.12
20 82.8% Southwest_French + 17.2% Orcadian @ 4.12

Dodecad V3:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European 44.54
2 Mediterranean 33.93
3 West_Asian 8.29
4 East_European 8.17
5 Southwest_Asian 2.98
6 Northwest_African 1.58

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French @ 8.517191
2 French @ 8.883349
3 CEU @ 13.133540
4 Portuguese @ 15.012905
5 N._European @ 15.074476
6 Orcadian @ 15.449684
7 Orkney @ 15.891315
8 Argyll @ 15.895316
9 N_Italian @ 16.367878
10 Spaniards @ 16.398666
11 German @ 17.037725
12 IBS @ 17.223370
13 Spanish @ 17.346581
14 French_Basque @ 17.723555
15 Slovenian @ 18.336885
16 Tuscan @ 18.579899
17 TSI @ 18.869696
18 Tuscan @ 19.203091
19 Mixed_Germanic @ 19.860786
20 Dutch @ 20.375961

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% N_Italian +50% N._European @ 2.613238


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% CEU +25% Spanish +25% Tuscan @ 1.351356


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 CEU + German + Spanish + Tuscan @ 0.959764
2 CEU + German + Spanish + TSI @ 1.031366
3 British + N_Italian + Portuguese + Slovenian @ 1.054704
4 Cornwall + N_Italian + Portuguese + Slovenian @ 1.066684
5 CEU + German + IBS + Tuscan @ 1.076070
6 British_Isles + N_Italian + Portuguese + Slovenian @ 1.122175
7 German + IBS + Orcadian + Tuscan @ 1.148723
8 CEU + German + IBS + TSI @ 1.162184
9 Dutch + Kent + Romanians_14 + Sardinian @ 1.174235
10 Kent + N_Italian + Portuguese + Slovenian @ 1.174402
11 CEU + German + Spanish + Tuscan @ 1.194816
12 British_Isles + Dutch + Romanians_14 + Sardinian @ 1.195602
13 German + O_Italian + Orkney + Spanish @ 1.199016
14 German + Orcadian + Spanish + Tuscan @ 1.199845
15 Cornwall + French + Portuguese + Romanians_14 @ 1.204852
16 CEU + German + Spaniards + Tuscan @ 1.235183
17 German + O_Italian + Orkney + Spaniards @ 1.239911
18 German + IBS + Orkney + Tuscan @ 1.245855
19 French + Kent + Portuguese + Romanians_14 @ 1.256412
20 British + Dutch + Romanians_14 + Sardinian @ 1.259149


Very similar to a sample from Lyon K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.40
2 West_Med 21.01
3 Baltic 16.93
4 East_Med 14.69
5 West_Asian 6.01


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 French @ 6.065339
2 Spanish_Cataluna @ 7.901808
3 Portuguese @ 9.090484
4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 9.870843
5 Spanish_Galicia @ 10.179032
6 Spanish_Valencia @ 10.271694
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 10.517826
8 West_German @ 10.839804
9 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.995636
10 South_Dutch @ 11.444244
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 11.862373
12 Spanish_Cantabria @ 12.049229
13 Spanish_Andalucia @ 12.463466
14 North_Italian @ 12.534917
15 Southwest_French @ 12.830593
16 Spanish_Aragon @ 14.117886
17 Austrian @ 16.305098
18 Southeast_English @ 16.968493
19 Serbian @ 18.208899
20 Southwest_English @ 18.522272

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Italian +50% Southeast_English @ 3.307970


Comparison 100 % Bergamo sample K13:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 34.28
2 West_Med 22.61
3 East_Med 22.06
4 Baltic 13.25
5 West_Asian 5.86
6 Red_Sea 1.41


Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 5.280625
2 Tuscan @ 9.284982
3 Portuguese @ 10.797623
4 Spanish_Extremadura @ 11.603929
5 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.732790
6 Spanish_Valencia @ 11.897851
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.289503
8 Spanish_Andalucia @ 12.676375
9 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.839857
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.997104
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 14.275043
12 French @ 15.447154
13 Spanish_Cantabria @ 16.254448
14 West_Sicilian @ 17.000612
15 Spanish_Aragon @ 17.036892
16 Italian_Abruzzo @ 17.258257
17 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.282234
18 Romanian @ 17.390236
19 Southwest_French @ 17.995607
20 Bulgarian @ 18.354870

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish_Cataluna +50% Tuscan @ 4.764647


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +25% French_Basque +25% Southeast_English @ 3.794227

[Ctwentysevenj]

Marion Le Pen the French look

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[Septentrion]

France is Western Europe's largest country, thus will show more varieties than any Western European country, see. Celtic, Germanic, Greek, Roman genes are found throughout France in different proportion. Germanic people (mainly the Franks settled mainly in the northeastern part of France mingling with the larger Gallo-Roman population at the time and spoke a form of "vulgar" Latin. This is northeastern France is usually lighter-haired, lighter-eyed than most of France. However the Franks did not have a genetical impact on France as did the Anglo-Saxons in England and southeastern Scotland. So to say that the French are literally Germans is strecthing it, but they are similar. The northeastern French would be the closest to Germanic people.

[Septentrion]

I also agree that number five and six are Iberians. They seem to be less robust in facial features, perhaps "less fair-complected" I'd say. However they are light-haired than what would be average in Iberia or the Italian Peninsula

[The Blade]

Gaul was Celtic. Modern France is a hybrid between Med, Celt and Germanic similar to Britain but in different proportions.
This.

[Ilma]

It depends where, mainly germanic but these last 20-40 years so many immigrants came and now you have a lot of mixed people (franco-algerians, franco-tunisian, franco-italians, franco-africains, and so on...). People who did not leave their rural region and still meet and have babies with the locals keep the germanic looking in the eastern france, western (except brittany : really keltic), and north. South France is mostly mixed with spanish people since a lot of spanish left their country during the war. At eastern south a lot of mix with italians and algerians...

BTW France is a kind of crossroads at western europe... That's also an argument to keep the Schengen accord...

[Septentrion]

Recent genetic studies show that beyond being Germanic/Latin/Celtic/whatever else that the French and Germans are for the most part similar, in this they are in the majority a Western & Central European people. The difference lays in the admixtures of people from other regions, France has more admixtures from Southern Europe (The Mediterranean world as a whole), while Germany has more admixtures from Eastern Europe and Northern Europe (Scandinavia, Great Britain, Finland, etc...).

French =
59% (Western & Central Europe)
21% (Southern Europe)
7% (Great Britain & Ireland)
5% (Eastern Europe)
3% (Jewish Diaspora)
2% (Northern Africa)
2% (Scandinavia)

Germans =
42% (Western & Central Europe)
16% (Eastern Europe)
14% (Scandinavia)
11% (Great Britain & Ireland)
6% (Southern Europe)
6% (Finland & Northern Siberia)
5% (Jewish diaspora)