Out of africa theory debunked again.

[rob211080]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-out-of-africa-theory-out/

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

So ? Does that mean the first blacks were in asia?

Shovel teeth is a amerindian trait also.

Also mtdna shows other wise as well as y-dna

[Prisoner Of Ice]

So ? Does that mean the first blacks were in asia?

Shovel teeth is a amerindian trait also.

Also mtdna shows other wise as well as y-dna

Blacks are related to south asians. Basically E and D y-dna split off, E came eventually to africa and mixed in with negroid pygmies who were in congo to create modern negro racial types.

As far as article goes it could support out of india or even out of africa.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Oh, also, good to see myself validated. Neanderthal and denisova both have perikymata on teeth, africans don't. Europeans and east asians also have it. If anything, this property INCREASES in africa over time from migration INTO africa. I pointed that out years ago and so have many others. But it's good to see a comprehensive study that shows the same result.

Mutliregionalism is right, not a single event that replaces all previous humans. Especially now we know that neanderthals and denisovans could talk and had largers brains and had the same kind of complex behavior we do today.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

This should get moved to archaeology, btw.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Here's a bunch I started to compile since retards tend to go mental if you challenge OoA nonsense.

Archaeology says there's continuity in asia and europe for a million years or more.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?126184-Out-of-africa-theory-debunked-again


Evidence that dozens of hominids contributed to human DNA. All african populations show evidence of migration into africa. No population shows evidence of migration out of africa.
"We detect likely West Eurasian gene flow into the ancestors of Yoruba West Africans within the last ten thousand years, which indirectly contributed a small amount of Neandertal ancestry to Yoruba."

"These results mean that we have not identified any sub-Saharan African sample that we are confident has no evidence of back-to-Africa migration. Our best candidate at present is the Dinka but it is possible that with a phased genome or large sample sizes we would detect evidence of non-African ancestry in this population as well."

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/a-neandertal-from-altai-mountains.html


Oldest mtdna divide for humans in EUROPE.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/400-thousand-year-old-human-mtdna-from.html


OoA was supposed to happen 30k-50k years ago but we have genetically sequenced very modern east asians in beijing at 40k years ago.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/01/ancient-dna-from-tianyuan-cave.html


Upper Paleolithic fossils go TO african from arabia, not the other way around. The paper's author himself talks in detail about driving around and digging and finding more modern tools towards arabia. That culture probably is influenced/spawned from aurignacian, even further off in europe or iran.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/arabian-origin-of-upper-paleolithic-in.html

In same vein, nubian complex (often pointed to as africa) is obviously exotic to africa.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/nubian-complex-site-from-central-arabia.html

Here we date someone's remains at 42k+ years. This is related to above item, IE we are seeing intrusion into africa at the same time we are supposed to see big migrations out of africa.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-09-23T23:25:00%2B03:00&max-results=16&start=32&by-date=false

Dogs were domesticated in Europe. By the dates given, by neanderthals. Note that only europids really like dogs, too.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/11/european-origin-of-domesticated-dogs.html


This alone is enough to kill out of africa. Last video shows that pygmies in africa intermixed with an archaic hominid that has no genes outside of africa 100K years ago. This means that rhodiensiensis in south africa is nothing at all to do with human evolution, and it also means that modern humans did not arrive in africa until 100k years ago or so. It also shows that neanderthal are at the root for many cladal gene structures, just not the ones for y-dna and mtdna. This is impossible for any OoA scenario.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-origin-of-us.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvoiPUHfOXI


North Africans...came from Iberia.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/origin-of-iberomaurusian.html
And some genetic evidence to back it up.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/recent-origin-of-north-african.html

Interestingly, data supports san coming TO africa as easily as FROM africa.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/06/60-50-thousand-coastal-migration-to.html

And combined with this which shows lots of intermixing with eurasia, it's confirmed they had eurasian admixture before they got to africa (this is from populations with no exposure outside their little tribes until very recently, who remain pure).
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/west-eurasian-admixture-in-khoe-san-via.html

Forested Nkongho-Mbo pygmie region source of y-dna A00, so called oldest human y-dna. Which is also a hotspot for r1b admixture from europe. 9/13 A00 were actually found in france in seeming non-africans, but it's been labeled as african anyhow.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/new-a00-project.html

Modern humans have been in china have been dated to around 100k years ago, making any recent out of africa hypothesis implausible.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/81-100-thousand-year-old-modern-humans.html

Here is typical OoA enthusiast. Accuses someone of racism and falsifying data, and then is caught falsifying data himself. Is not a real scientist at all, just an idiot with a political agenda.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/06/interesting-commentary-on-mortongould.html

As well as having much bigger brains than people today, neanderthals could talk.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/neandertals-could-talk.html

Here's another one that, all on its own, debunks out of africa. As early as 12k years ago, fossils in sub saharan africa show no signs of modernity, and are much less modern than much older fossils in east africa and outside of africa. The "failed out of africa" skulls from middle east 90k years ago also show striking similarity to upper paleolithic european skulls (and metrically are a hybrid between neanderthal and modern europeans). So the further from africa you get the more like modern humans the skulls look!
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/09/12-6ka-humans-with-archaic-features.html

30-40k BC neanderthal-modern hybrid found, genetically sequenced. Since we have actually found one, obviously it happened all the time and wasn't a one time thing. This also happened in italy, destroying the silly theories that it was some one time event in levant during a mythical out of africa mass migration.
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/first-love-child-human-neanderthal-believed-found-1C9127823?franchiseSlug=sciencemain

the study of modern populations has revealed evidence for both archaic African, and -more recently and surprisingly- even a little archaic Eurasian ancestry in virtually all Sub-Saharan Africans. Populations from one of the presumed cradles of H. sapiens (Eastern Africa) are now conclusively known to be recent mixtures of West Eurasians, and even the Bushmen of southern Africa, the subject of so many TV documentaries as an exemplum of the ur-Humans did not escape this admixture.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/01/happy-new-year-2014.html


Missing link found...in Germany.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html




links to my posts:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?104709-Why-all-the-candidates-for-human-chimp-ancestors-aren-t-hominids-but-homidaints&p=2160679#post2160679

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?103388-Neanderthals-had-longer-childhoods-than-some-quot-modern-quot-human-populations

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?108389-San-are-not-oldest-people-in-world-Nor-do-they-originate-in-africa

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?118559-Europeans-are-genetically-the-most-diverse

[KidMulat]

Blacks are related to south asians. Basically E and D y-dna split off, E came eventually to africa and mixed in with negroid pygmies who were in congo to create modern negro racial types.

As far as article goes it could support out of india or even out of africa.

Pygmies are NOT a genetically isolated people; the share deep roots for some 40 thousand years with what we would call Bantu; its been proven they are basically siblings with one having adaptions and iodine deficiencies.

Secondly the Congo was NOT inhabited by Pygmies; they lived in the periphery in the drier north until Bantu Agriculture and truly only penetrated the deepest parts within the past 300 or so years with the arrival of New World crops cultivated by Bantu farmers from the west or Banana cultivators within the last 5-3k to 1k years from the east.

[LightHouse89]

Proof we are not descended from apes.

[Chrissi]

There's also the Multiregional Theory that's the one I find most interesting if you consider the huge transformation there was into the different races we know today during a relatively short time period. Also for those homo sapiens out of africa to travel equally to every place on earth as primitive as they were. Even if OOA is true wouln't there at least be a racial hierarchy from first developed to most modern ones. Latter one would be worse for Africans

[Knoxwolf865]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-out-of-africa-theory-out/

I thought this was already common knowledge considering what we all know about the current power system and the tools they use to justify it. This is kind of going on a tangent but, I've always wondered why we don't use the same tools they propagate to dismantle their worldview? Their own discourse is an obvious fatal self-inflected wound. It has always seemed an obvious point of attack to me, since my days in University, as I studied both history and anthropology. They talk about justifications. Out of Africa Theory is a justification for their own power system, and stands with no conclusive evidence. Really, how do these people get away with such a grand scheme? --Babbling heads babbling the same babble that other babbling heads told them to babble.

[Ultra]

Here's a bunch I started to compile since retards tend to go mental if you challenge OoA nonsense.

Archaeology says there's continuity in asia and europe for a million years or more.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?126184-Out-of-africa-theory-debunked-again


Evidence that dozens of hominids contributed to human DNA. All african populations show evidence of migration into africa. No population shows evidence of migration out of africa.
"We detect likely West Eurasian gene flow into the ancestors of Yoruba West Africans within the last ten thousand years, which indirectly contributed a small amount of Neandertal ancestry to Yoruba."

"These results mean that we have not identified any sub-Saharan African sample that we are confident has no evidence of back-to-Africa migration. Our best candidate at present is the Dinka but it is possible that with a phased genome or large sample sizes we would detect evidence of non-African ancestry in this population as well."

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/a-neandertal-from-altai-mountains.html


Oldest mtdna divide for humans in EUROPE.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/400-thousand-year-old-human-mtdna-from.html


OoA was supposed to happen 30k-50k years ago but we have genetically sequenced very modern east asians in beijing at 40k years ago.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/01/ancient-dna-from-tianyuan-cave.html


Upper Paleolithic fossils go TO african from arabia, not the other way around. The paper's author himself talks in detail about driving around and digging and finding more modern tools towards arabia. That culture probably is influenced/spawned from aurignacian, even further off in europe or iran.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/arabian-origin-of-upper-paleolithic-in.html

In same vein, nubian complex (often pointed to as africa) is obviously exotic to africa.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/nubian-complex-site-from-central-arabia.html

Here we date someone's remains at 42k+ years. This is related to above item, IE we are seeing intrusion into africa at the same time we are supposed to see big migrations out of africa.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2013-09-23T23:25:00%2B03:00&max-results=16&start=32&by-date=false

Dogs were domesticated in Europe. By the dates given, by neanderthals. Note that only europids really like dogs, too.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/11/european-origin-of-domesticated-dogs.html


This alone is enough to kill out of africa. Last video shows that pygmies in africa intermixed with an archaic hominid that has no genes outside of africa 100K years ago. This means that rhodiensiensis in south africa is nothing at all to do with human evolution, and it also means that modern humans did not arrive in africa until 100k years ago or so. It also shows that neanderthal are at the root for many cladal gene structures, just not the ones for y-dna and mtdna. This is impossible for any OoA scenario.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-origin-of-us.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvoiPUHfOXI


North Africans...came from Iberia.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/origin-of-iberomaurusian.html
And some genetic evidence to back it up.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/recent-origin-of-north-african.html

Interestingly, data supports san coming TO africa as easily as FROM africa.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/06/60-50-thousand-coastal-migration-to.html

And combined with this which shows lots of intermixing with eurasia, it's confirmed they had eurasian admixture before they got to africa (this is from populations with no exposure outside their little tribes until very recently, who remain pure).
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/west-eurasian-admixture-in-khoe-san-via.html

Forested Nkongho-Mbo pygmie region source of y-dna A00, so called oldest human y-dna. Which is also a hotspot for r1b admixture from europe. 9/13 A00 were actually found in france in seeming non-africans, but it's been labeled as african anyhow.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/new-a00-project.html

Modern humans have been in china have been dated to around 100k years ago, making any recent out of africa hypothesis implausible.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/07/81-100-thousand-year-old-modern-humans.html

Here is typical OoA enthusiast. Accuses someone of racism and falsifying data, and then is caught falsifying data himself. Is not a real scientist at all, just an idiot with a political agenda.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/06/interesting-commentary-on-mortongould.html

As well as having much bigger brains than people today, neanderthals could talk.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2013/12/neandertals-could-talk.html

Here's another one that, all on its own, debunks out of africa. As early as 12k years ago, fossils in sub saharan africa show no signs of modernity, and are much less modern than much older fossils in east africa and outside of africa. The "failed out of africa" skulls from middle east 90k years ago also show striking similarity to upper paleolithic european skulls (and metrically are a hybrid between neanderthal and modern europeans). So the further from africa you get the more like modern humans the skulls look!
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/09/12-6ka-humans-with-archaic-features.html

30-40k BC neanderthal-modern hybrid found, genetically sequenced. Since we have actually found one, obviously it happened all the time and wasn't a one time thing. This also happened in italy, destroying the silly theories that it was some one time event in levant during a mythical out of africa mass migration.
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/first-love-child-human-neanderthal-believed-found-1C9127823?franchiseSlug=sciencemain

the study of modern populations has revealed evidence for both archaic African, and -more recently and surprisingly- even a little archaic Eurasian ancestry in virtually all Sub-Saharan Africans. Populations from one of the presumed cradles of H. sapiens (Eastern Africa) are now conclusively known to be recent mixtures of West Eurasians, and even the Bushmen of southern Africa, the subject of so many TV documentaries as an exemplum of the ur-Humans did not escape this admixture.
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2014/01/happy-new-year-2014.html


Missing link found...in Germany.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html




links to my posts:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?104709-Why-all-the-candidates-for-human-chimp-ancestors-aren-t-hominids-but-homidaints&p=2160679#post2160679

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?103388-Neanderthals-had-longer-childhoods-than-some-quot-modern-quot-human-populations

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?108389-San-are-not-oldest-people-in-world-Nor-do-they-originate-in-africa

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?118559-Europeans-are-genetically-the-most-diverse
Excellent compilation bro. Out-of-Africafags will be so mad now!

[LightHouse89]

race is a social construct and we all come from africa :rolleyes: 'oh really cultural marxists'.

[I've Her Son]

Out of Africa theory is a religion; not science.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Something something social construct.

[Icel]

Something something social construct.

Mate, didn't you get the memo? Everything including culture, skull size and even the cerebral cortex is a social construct these days.

[LightHouse89]

Mate, didn't you get the memo? Everything including culture, skull size and even the cerebral cortex is a social construct these days.

existence itself is a social construct.

[Prisoner Of Ice]

Oh, also, good to see myself validated. Neanderthal and denisova both have perikymata on teeth, africans don't. Europeans and east asians also have it. If anything, this property INCREASES in africa over time from migration INTO africa. I pointed that out years ago and so have many others. But it's good to see a comprehensive study that shows the same result.

Mutliregionalism is right, not a single event that replaces all previous humans. Especially now we know that neanderthals and denisovans could talk and had largers brains and had the same kind of complex behavior we do today.

Important info bump.