Eurogenes ANE K7 - post your results

[Sikeliot]

West Sicily 2 is the start of the ones I just added.

[MINARDOWICZ]

I wanna see the updated PCA, as I just added mine to the sheet.

[Sikeliot]

I just realized Chloe is closer to the Sicilians and Greek islanders than the Peloponnesians ("Peloponnesian" and Raine's father) are.

[Ylla]

Add mine to the spreadsheet too, if possible :)

Population
ANE 10.27%
ASE 0.27%
WHG-UHG 43.44%
East_Eurasian 0.76%
West_African 0.38%
East_African-
ENF 44.87%

[Era]

Update (resolution 4096x2304 ) : http://postimg.org/image/l3xv7fbxr/full/

Minus Andronovo , Afanasievp and Stutgart samples. The first two are very eastern skewing the plot, while the latter (Stugart) is skewing the plot in south-western direction.

I would love to see the Stutgart sample in this map. Can you you do that and then remove it?

[Petalpusher]

It would be close to Sardinians. I guess at some point we will need to have them, as well as Basques, as some sort of South+West references like Motala for the North, etc..

[Era]

It would be close to Sardinians. I guess at some point we will need to have them, as well as Basques, as some sort of South+West references like Motala for the North, etc..

You mean the Stutgart man? And how come so southwest?

[Petalpusher]

You mean the Stutgart man? And how come so southwest?

He's Neolithic from Stuttgart, basically a mix of WHG and ENF. That's close to what Sardinians today would be, they are the closest thing to a 50/50 with no ANE. Same goes for Basques, with North Europe WHG level and less ENF (a bit of ANE though)


Stuttgart
ANE 0%
ASE 0%
WHG-UHG 43.28%
East_Eurasian 0.21%
West_African 0%
East_African 0%
ENF 56.51%

Sardinian
ANE 0%
ASE 0%
WHG-UHG 49.49%
East_Eurasian 1.8%
West_African 0.01%
East_African 0.01%
ENF 48.69%


edit: added LastOn

[Graham]

Interesting redo. I notice there's a cluster of people south of me and if I'm reading this right, Graham's to the northwest.

Generally on most Autosomals, I sit north or North West of most people on this forum, on this it's just North. If you want to find out East and West in parts of Western/Central/Northern Europe. We are better doing a modern Calculator like K15 Eurogenes. The priority of this K7 or K8 is for older populations and how they move.

[Rugevit]

Update. LastOn, StutgartNeolithic and Sardinian are added. http://postimg.org/image/xx4s9jxn9/full/

[Petalpusher]

Generally on most Autosomals, I sit north or North West of most people on this forum, on this it's just North. If you want to find out East and West in parts of Western/Central/Northern Europe. We are better doing a modern Calculator like K15 Eurogenes. The priority of this K7 or K8 is for older populations and how they move.

Do you have an idea why the Belgians are lower than France on this one (at least on WHG alone). I checked the average of France, there s a lot of people with 64, even 65 WHG, it seems very high since a Norman gets 63, some look like Basque, some like Brits, with 64 WHG, 14-15 ANE,..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1684wMM_ZJFoxcxJXK0jkVgeGGEVl5Nw3-Moc_IFrlOs/edit?pli=1#gid=1051326962

[Era]

Me and Sardinian are the same southern shifted. Stutgart Neolithic is more than us :eek:

[Graham]

Do you have an idea why the Belgians are lower than France on this one (at least on WHG alone). I checked the average of France, there s a lot of people with 64, even 65 WHG, it seems very high since a Norman gets 63, some look like Basque, some like Brits, with 64 WHG, 14-15 ANE,..


In K8, WHG and ENF is better split.

On K7 Neolithics have both high WHG and ENF. Thus the WHG is harder to calculate for what is North or not & blurred.

It was something noticed yesterday looking at it.

So K8 is NE/ENF dominates the Neolithic Stuttgart. It's more accurate.

France probably scores more WHG than it should do.

K8 Eurogenes.


<tbody>

ANE
NE
WHG
SEA
East_Eurasian
Oce
Pygmy
Sub-Saharan


France
11.48
45.65
41.66
0.36
0.31
0.21
0.19
0.13


Stuttgart Neolithic
0.01
72.19
27.80
0.01
0.01
0.01
0.01
0.01


South Netherlands
13.25
43.05
42.60
0.38
0.54
0.00
0.18
0.00


North Netherlands
14.96
37.80
46.80
0.44
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00

</tbody>


Also think that North France and South France should be split on how they are labeled, there is difference. If you plot them on a pca you can see the stretch.

[Tchek]

Population
ANE 12.85%
ASE 1.12%
WHG-UHG 58.55%
East_Eurasian 0.72%
West_African 0.58%
East_African -
ENF 26.14%

[Rugevit]

Update : http://postimg.org/image/xdpb8qqm7/full/

[Petalpusher]

In K8, WHG and ENF is better split.

On K7 Neolithics have both high WHG and ENF. Thus the WHG is harder to calculate for what is North or not & blurred.


It's something i noticed too. About the results, i was thinking it also could be due to the Basques, since we usually only have a general France sample + a southwest. The paradox is as we go SW in France, the WHG increase as people begin to get related to Basques, so the South looks different but as average as France when everything adds up, it probably look more like a northern half average (with Breton around there) than a real average.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Update : http://postimg.org/image/xdpb8qqm7/full/

Where am I!?!?!?

[Rugevit]

Where am I!?!?!?

There you go http://postimg.org/image/6qoot7ewj/full/

[Petalpusher]

Where am I!?!?!?

You didn't input your West African i think, i guess it's 0 anyway if it makes 100%. Though the African is not really taken into account in 2D like this, it would also throw away people too much, like out of our screens with a couple %.

[Graham]

It's something i noticed too. About the results, i was thinking it also could be due to the Basques, since we usually only have a general France sample + a southwest. The paradox is as we go SW in France, the WHG increase as people begin to get related to Basques, so the South looks different but as average as France when everything adds up, it probably look more like a northern half average (with Breton around there) than a real average.

If you check out K36 and the ancient genomes. There is something that you'll notice. Neolithic and West Hunter Gatherers only share one single component of all the different European components. And that is Basque.

[Gooding]

Did I already ask how you read this?

[Thrax]

My results have also been posted on the spreadsheet.

[Tchek]

There you go http://postimg.org/image/6qoot7ewj/full/

What about me? :Lightbeer:

[Maleficent]

Dad
Population
ANE 6.38%
ASE 1.06%
WHG-UHG 10.43%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 3.57%
ENF 78.56%

Me
Population
ANE 10.85%
ASE 1.61%
WHG-UHG 34.17%
East_Eurasian 0.09%
West_African -
East_African 2.99%
ENF 50.26%


Mom
Population
ANE 15.46%
ASE 2.02%
WHG-UHG 60.78%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.25%
East_African 0.85%
ENF 20.64%

Can we still be added to the PCA?!

[Rugevit]

Update

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit?pli=1#gid=0

http://postimg.org/image/kjswyp58p/full/


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Someone accidentally edited a couple of records. Please copy the data into a separate sheet doing sorting and editing. Otherwise, it 's difficult to see what has been updated in the spreadsheet.

[Lawalye]

ANE K7:
ANE 14.85%
ASE 2.32%
WHG-UHG 57.25%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.42%
East_African -
ENF 25.16%

[Sikeliot]

I put new Sicilians and Greeks on there who did not get added but maybe I put them in a confusing place.

[de Burgh II]

So I'm going to assume the Northwestern quadrant is mostly Celto-Gemanic reference populations.

Northeastern quadrant is mostly indigenous-Norse/Balto-Slavic reference populations.

Southwestern quadrant is mostly Iberian/Italic/Balkan(?) reference populations.

Southeastern quadrant is Mediterranean shifted populations towards West Asia (?).

[Rugevit]

So I'm going to assume the Northwestern quadrant is mostly Celto-Gemanic reference populations.

Northeastern quadrant is mostly indigenous-Norse/Balto-Slavic reference populations.

Southwestern quadrant is mostly Iberian/Italic/Balkan(?) reference populations.

Southeastern quadrant is Mediterranean shifted populations towards West Asia (?).

Balkanic populations such as Bulgarians, Romanians, Montenegrins, Kosovars, Albanians are in south-eastern quadrant. Some Greeks and Sicilians are extreme versions of south-eastern quadrant.

[Sikeliot]

Balkanic populations such as Bulgarians, Romanians, Montenegrins, Kosovars, Albanians are in south-eastern quadrant. Some Greeks and Sicilians are extreme versions of south-eastern quadrant.

What do you make of the Peloponnesian and Raine's father (also Peloponnese)? They are not near the islanders and Sicilians, but they are also not quite with the other Balkan people. Which direction do they shift in?

[Rugevit]

What do you make of the Peloponnesian and Raine's father (also Peloponnese)? They are not near the islanders and Sicilians, but they are also not quite with the other Balkan people. Which direction do they shift in?

They shift in south-eastern direction on the genetic map of Europe as far as I can see.

[Sikeliot]

They shift in south-eastern direction on the genetic map of Europe as far as I can see.

But I mean, relative to the Sicilians, do they shift northeast? Northwest? Southeast? etc.

[Ylla]

Balkanic populations such as Bulgarians, Romanians, Montenegrins, Kosovars, Albanians are in south-eastern quadrant. Some Greeks and Sicilians are extreme versions of south-eastern quadrant.
Albanians and kosovars seem a bit more south western (sardinian like) compared to other balkanites who either seem to shift towards west asia or ne europe.or maybe im reading it wrong?

[Rugevit]

But I mean, relative to the Sicilians, do they shift northeast? Northwest? Southeast? etc.

Just more northern than the Sicilians as per the plot. Minor deviation in western direction is likely not significant .

[Rugevit]

Albanians and kosovars seem a bit more south western (sardinian like) compared to other balkanites who either seem to shift towards west asia or ne europe.or maybe im reading it wrong?

Chloe is an Albanian? She's near Greeks. Sardinians will be a fair distance away in western direction. If someone have samples or averages for Kosovars and Albanian samples I will plot them together with the Sardinians.

[Ylla]

Chloe is an Albanian? She's near Greeks. Sardinians will be a fair distance away in western direction. If someone have samples or averages for Kosovars and Albanian samples I will plot them together with the Sardinians.
Ah yes I see :)
I am from Kosovo (previous username laston which has been added to the map). I will invite other albanians on the forum to post their results.

[Petalpusher]

But I mean, relative to the Sicilians, do they shift northeast? Northwest? Southeast? etc.

They are straight up more Northern, +10 WHG -10 ENF, and a bit more ANE, which correct their drift NW to just North, compared to Sicilians.

[ChocolateFace]

ANE 12.45%
ASE 1.94%
WHG-UHG 47.94%
West_African 0.72%
ENF 36.95%

[Thrax]

Update

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit?pli=1#gid=0

http://postimg.org/image/kjswyp58p/full/


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Someone accidentally edited a couple of records. Please copy the data into a separate sheet doing sorting and editing. Otherwise, it 's difficult to see what has been updated in the spreadsheet.

I'm not in the spreadsheet yet.

[Rugevit]

I'm not in the spreadsheet yet.

Update http://postimg.org/image/iibrtjiwt/full/

[Rugevit]

Albanians and kosovars seem a bit more south western (sardinian like) compared to other balkanites who either seem to shift towards west asia or ne europe.or maybe im reading it wrong?

Averages from Eurogenes K7. Kosovars, Greek Thessaly, central Greeks, Sardinians and other south Europeans are featuring on the plot : http://postimg.org/image/optylo7bl/full/

[Faklon]

You mean the Stutgart man? And how come so southwest?

Check Starcevo in the latest ciation of Polako (http://eurogenes.blogspot.gr/2015/08/pre-and-post-kurgan-europe.html).

May be telling for Balkan farmers, also from the comments.




Maju,

I can tell you that Starcevo_EN isn't much different from West and Central Anatolian Neolithic farmers.

So that should give you an idea of the scale of the genetic shift in much of Anatolia.

[Era]

Chloe is an Albanian? She's near Greeks. Sardinians will be a fair distance away in western direction. If someone have samples or averages for Kosovars and Albanian samples I will plot them together with the Sardinians.

I am western to all greeks in the map, samples and individuals. All greeks are eastern shifted compare to all Albanians in the map. I am also southern than mainland greeks but not islands.

[Sikeliot]

Averages from Eurogenes K7. Kosovars, Greek Thessaly, central Greeks, Sardinians and other south Europeans are featuring on the plot : http://postimg.org/image/optylo7bl/full/

Even the Abruzzese are significantly south/east compared to the Thessalian Greeks. Interesting. "South Italian" on there represents people from Calabria.

[Argentano]

Update http://postimg.org/image/iibrtjiwt/full/

do you know why me and my dad are below the italian samples ?

[Rugevit]

do you know why me and my dad are below the italian samples ?

That I don't know.

[Skerdilaid]

That I don't know.

Can you add Chocolateface"s and mine too? I am from Kosova while Choco is from North Albania/Montenegro:

ANE 11.20%
ASE 2.58%
WHG-UHG 44.20%
East_Eurasian 0.21%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 41.81%

[Rugevit]

Kosovars ChocolateFace and Skerdilaid are added to the plot : http://postimg.org/image/i8fsk4rxn/full/

[Sikeliot]

Greek Islands 3 is pulled way north due to high ANE.

But now you see some more trends. Greek islanders, southern Italians, Sicilians, and Longbowman form a cluster... the Ionian islanders (Greek islands 2 and 4) shift toward the Balkans away from the Sicilians and Aegeans.

[safinator]

I am posting here the results of all the Albanians on Apricity excluding the ones who already posted their results.


GENI - ALBANIAN
Population
ANE 10.70%
ASE 1.51%
WHG-UHG 42.44%
East_Eurasian 0.44%
West_African 0.15%
East_African -
ENF 44.77%



SAFINATOR - ALBANIAN
Population
ANE 11.02%
ASE 1.40%
WHG-UHG 40.25%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.07%
East_African 0.52%
ENF 46.73%




KURT - ALBANIAN
Population
ANE 10.79%
ASE 0.59%
WHG-UHG 44.80%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.27%
East_African 0.09%
ENF 43.45%



GASHI 91 - ALBANIAN FROM KOSOVO
Population
ANE 11.92%
ASE 0.07%
WHG-UHG 46.84%
East_Eurasian 0.85%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 40.32%


INIRD - ALBANIAN FROM MACEDONIA
Population
ANE 11.24%
ASE 1.93%
WHG-UHG 43.23%
East_Eurasian 1.50%
West_African -
East_African 0.10%
ENF 42.00%



ARCHON PROGON - ALBANIAN
Population
ANE 11.77%
ASE 1.39%
WHG-UHG 44.59%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 42.26%



KUQEZI - ALBANIAN FROM KOSOVO
Population
ANE 9.80%
ASE 1.78%
WHG-UHG 44.85%
East_Eurasian 1.71%
West_African 0.31%
East_African 0.27%
ENF 41.28%

[Rugevit]

I am posting here the results of all the Albanians on Apricity excluding the ones who already posted their results.



If anyone wants to enter these data into the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit?pli=1#gid=0

[safinator]

If anyone wants to enter these data into the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit?pli=1#gid=0

I think it's better if you do it yourself, better not risk people gettin into the spreadsheet and changing others data.

[Rugevit]

I think it's better if you do it yourself, better not risk people gettin into the spreadsheet and changing others data.

I keep a back up copy on HDD and I won't be doing it myself. I've already entered enough.

[safinator]

I keep a back up copy on HDD and I won't be doing it myself. I've already entered enough.

And about the PCA plot?

[Rugevit]

And about the PCA plot?

I'd do the PCA plot.

[Rugevit]

Update . Albanian members are added : http://postimg.org/image/g6yk48w8d/full/

[YupYup]

Population
ANE 13.29%
ASE 1.95%
WHG-UHG 53.13%
East_Eurasian 1.12%
West_African 0.72%
East_African -
ENF 29.79%

[Petalpusher]

Im adding my mother fresh results, don't know if Simargl will still update. I guess she would fall somewhere between Breton and Norman

http://s22.postimg.org/twsb2parl/EK7mom.jpg

Population
ANE 13.91%
ASE 0.40%
WHG-UHG 61.70%
East_Eurasian 0.83%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 23.15%

[Dylan]

Population
ANE 11.76%
ASE 1.35%
WHG-UHG 54.29%
East_Eurasian 1.34%
West_African 0.61%
East_African 0.47%
ENF 30.18%

[Dylan]

Population
ANE 11.76%
ASE 1.35%
WHG-UHG 54.29%
East_Eurasian 1.34%
West_African 0.61%
East_African 0.47%
ENF 30.18%

[Berahthraban]

Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions

ANE 16.34%
ASE 1.65%
WHG-UHG 69.03%
East_Eurasian 1.35%
West_African 0.36%
East_African 0.60%
ENF 10.67%

Got my raw data today, what do you think about this result? Something out of the ordinary?

[Petalpusher]

You are close to the Swede average with a bit of "South/west shift i think (towards Norway genetically)

Added your data and some others.

All members datas : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit#gid=0

(last ones are at the end)

[Graham]

Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions

ANE 16.34%
ASE 1.65%
WHG-UHG 69.03%
East_Eurasian 1.35%
West_African 0.36%
East_African 0.60%
ENF 10.67%

Got my raw data today, what do you think about this result? Something out of the ordinary?

What do you score on K15 Eurogenes Oracle? That is one the better calculators for modern populations.

[Rugevit]

You are close to the Swede average with a bit of "South/west shift i think (towards Norway genetically)

Added your data and some others.

All members datas : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit#gid=0

(last ones are at the end)




Updated : http://postimg.org/image/pkclsm6hp/full/

[Berahthraban]

What do you score on K15 Eurogenes Oracle? That is one the better calculators for modern populations.

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.23
2 Atlantic 26.71
3 Baltic 16.25
4 Eastern_Euro 11.72
5 West_Med 7.37
6 Siberian 1.05
7 West_Asian 0.89
8 South_Asian 0.56
9 Sub-Saharan 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 5.46
2 North_Dutch 5.49
3 Swedish 5.76
4 Norwegian 5.77
5 North_German 5.79
6 North_Swedish 6.93
7 Irish 7.03
8 West_Scottish 7.24
9 Southeast_English 7.66
10 West_Norwegian 7.69
11 Southwest_English 8.21
12 Orcadian 8.9
13 South_Dutch 9.59
14 East_German 10.22
15 Southwest_Finnish 10.39
16 West_German 10.42
17 Finnish 13.85
18 French 14.54
19 Hungarian 15.04
20 Austrian 15.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.5% West_Scottish + 30.5% Estonian @ 1.97
2 73.5% Orcadian + 26.5% Estonian @ 2.06
3 61.8% Irish + 38.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.18
4 57.3% Southwest_English + 42.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.23
5 59.9% West_Scottish + 40.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.23
6 71.3% Irish + 28.7% Estonian @ 2.27
7 64.6% Orcadian + 35.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.3
8 77.1% Orcadian + 22.9% Lithuanian @ 2.4
9 73.4% West_Scottish + 26.6% Lithuanian @ 2.4
10 67.4% Southwest_English + 32.6% Estonian @ 2.44
11 63.1% North_Swedish + 36.9% Southwest_English @ 2.47
12 65.9% Southwest_English + 34.1% Finnish @ 2.54
13 70% Irish + 30% Finnish @ 2.57
14 72.5% Orcadian + 27.5% Finnish @ 2.58
15 68.3% West_Scottish + 31.7% Finnish @ 2.58
16 73.4% Irish + 26.6% East_Finnish @ 2.63
17 71.8% West_Scottish + 28.2% East_Finnish @ 2.68
18 55.8% North_Swedish + 44.2% Orcadian @ 2.71
19 69.9% North_Dutch + 30.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.76
20 75.8% Orcadian + 24.2% East_Finnish @ 2.77

[Rugevit]

sar93

Done : http://postimg.org/image/x7u4nahr5/full/

[Graham]

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results


There you go. East Norway/Swedish on my Pca.

http://s14.postimg.org/5cgshcfhd/berah.jpg

[Petalpusher]

The K7 PCA shows more affinity by vertical gradients, if that makes sense, he is slightly closer to Norway in datas.

[Thunder_shock]

Im guessing the ENF component gets divided into EHG and BE. The 22% ENF that people keep scoring here must really just be Basal Eurasian alone.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Me
ANE 16.64%
ASE 1.86%
WHG-UHG 63.80%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.49%
East_African 0.28%
ENF 16.93%

Dad
ANE 17.38%
ASE 1.61%
WHG-UHG 62.12%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.27%
ENF 18.61%

Mum
ANE 16.76%
ASE 2.67%
WHG-UHG 63.15%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 1.02%
East_African -
ENF 16.40%

Your dad's results are similar to mine. What is your dad's ethnicity?

[Catkin]

Your dad's results are similar to mine. What is your dad's ethnicity?

English, Irish, a smidge of German a bit back. But I have lots of gaps in his family tree, I'm not even sure of his grandad's ethnicity, though he had an English surname.

My dad scores closest to Irish on K13, Orcadian on K15.

[Hevo]

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.23
2 Atlantic 26.71
3 Baltic 16.25
4 Eastern_Euro 11.72
5 West_Med 7.37
6 Siberian 1.05
7 West_Asian 0.89
8 South_Asian 0.56
9 Sub-Saharan 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Danish 5.46
2 North_Dutch 5.49
3 Swedish 5.76
4 Norwegian 5.77
5 North_German 5.79
6 North_Swedish 6.93
7 Irish 7.03
8 West_Scottish 7.24
9 Southeast_English 7.66
10 West_Norwegian 7.69
11 Southwest_English 8.21
12 Orcadian 8.9
13 South_Dutch 9.59
14 East_German 10.22
15 Southwest_Finnish 10.39
16 West_German 10.42
17 Finnish 13.85
18 French 14.54
19 Hungarian 15.04
20 Austrian 15.2

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.5% West_Scottish + 30.5% Estonian @ 1.97
2 73.5% Orcadian + 26.5% Estonian @ 2.06
3 61.8% Irish + 38.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.18
4 57.3% Southwest_English + 42.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.23
5 59.9% West_Scottish + 40.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.23
6 71.3% Irish + 28.7% Estonian @ 2.27
7 64.6% Orcadian + 35.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.3
8 77.1% Orcadian + 22.9% Lithuanian @ 2.4
9 73.4% West_Scottish + 26.6% Lithuanian @ 2.4
10 67.4% Southwest_English + 32.6% Estonian @ 2.44
11 63.1% North_Swedish + 36.9% Southwest_English @ 2.47
12 65.9% Southwest_English + 34.1% Finnish @ 2.54
13 70% Irish + 30% Finnish @ 2.57
14 72.5% Orcadian + 27.5% Finnish @ 2.58
15 68.3% West_Scottish + 31.7% Finnish @ 2.58
16 73.4% Irish + 26.6% East_Finnish @ 2.63
17 71.8% West_Scottish + 28.2% East_Finnish @ 2.68
18 55.8% North_Swedish + 44.2% Orcadian @ 2.71
19 69.9% North_Dutch + 30.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.76
20 75.8% Orcadian + 24.2% East_Finnish @ 2.77


What are your haplogroups bro?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

The GEDmatch version of this test is not accurate. The results do not match up with the DIY version.

DIY version? Care to elaborate? I do not know what that is.

[Petalpusher]

DIY is the standalone version to use with R. It was the pre release/beta, the ANE K7 on Gedmatch is the right one. Until Eurogenes releases its new BR K7.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

DIY is the standalone version to use with R. It was the pre release/beta, the ANE K7 on Gedmatch is the right one. Until Eurogenes releases its new BR K7.

Yeah they were saying ANE K7 was giving screwey results and to try the DIY version but I think it's been fixed.

I score above the Norwegian standard but I think below Slavs & Finns. Considering I am quite mixed European I still get more than I really should. If I was pure Norwegian it would be more believable - even then I get more than their average.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

DIY is the standalone version to use with R. It was the pre release/beta, the ANE K7 on Gedmatch is the right one. Until Eurogenes releases its new BR K7.

I don't know the Finnish or Polish or etc. averages though. I am just assuming they score more than Norwegians.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

The ANE of Eurogenes K7 is only accurate to some extent. The other components should be taken with a grain of salt.

Does there exist a better test for determining ANE?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Eurogenes K8 show conservative ANE estimates, so whatever you get, you definitely have.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.nl/2014/12/ane-is-primary-cause-of-west-to-east.html

However, i recommend to wait for BR K7. The newest calculator Basal-rich K7 looks promising. It has a AG3-MA1 cluster.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.nl/2016/07/sneak-peek-basal-eurasian-k7.html

I think I have to pay for K8, right? :(

[Norka]

WHG-UHG 60.17
ANE 18.92
ENF 9.95
East_Eurasian 7.62
ASE 2.51
East_African 0.75
West_African 0.08

[Longbowman]

Yes, but you should wait for the Basal K7. It's basically an updated version.:)

Will he send it for free to those who have already contributed? and when is it coming out?

[XenophobicPrussian]

Does there exist a better test for determining ANE?
There is only one legitimate way right now to find out how much ANE(that is, specific, ANE peaking genetics, as ANE also had WHG and Amerindian admixture) anyone has right now, and that is the Eastern_Euro component on Eurogenes K15.

All these low K calcs, and the typical non-sense that "Karitiana Indians, Kalash or North Caucasus people are the most ANE" you get from those low K calcs are not accurate at all. PCAs prove this as well.

K7 is overall a useless calculator, the new Basal-rich K7 will also be useless as it will be based on the direct AG3-MA1(especially ridiculous with MA1 since it's more than 24k years old, which won't account for later drift among populations and you're comparing it with modern newer 6-10k year old genomes without the archaic shift towards Andamanese unlike MA1) genome rather than artificially split up components based on peak, it still won't split up the WHG and Amerindian from it(if you think it had no WHG, how the heck could it have haplogroup U? WHGs also had ANE, both is from shared ancestry from earlier on, like in the paleolithic).

The most ANE populations, in order, are:

Afontova Gora 2(50%)
Karelia HG
Samara HG
Khvalynsk
Mari(38%)
Chuvash
Mal'ta
Yamnaya
Erzya
Selkup
Finnish Sami
SHGs
Kargopol Russians
East Finns
Ket
Shors
South-West Russians
Tatars
Belorusians
Lithuanians(21%)

Others:
Irish: 8%
Tabassaran: 14%
Burusho: 15%
West Greenland: 10%
Karitiana: 0%
South Indians/Tamils: 4%

K7 gives 24% to Mari, 27% to Tabassarans and other North Caucasus people, 30% to South Indians, 35% to certain Pakistani groups like the Burusho, and 44% to Karitiana, and differences between NE Europeans and NW Europeans in ANE are negligible.

Pretty obvious which is more accurate based on where ANE geographically actually was.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

There is only one legitimate way right now to find out how much ANE(that is, specific, ANE peaking genetics, as ANE also had WHG and Amerindian admixture) anyone has right now, and that is the Eastern_Euro component on Eurogenes K15.

All these low K calcs, and the typical non-sense that "Karitiana Indians, Kalash or North Caucasus people are the most ANE" you get from those low K calcs are not accurate at all. PCAs prove this as well.

K7 is overall a useless calculator, the new Basal-rich K7 will also be useless as it will be based on the direct AG3-MA1(especially ridiculous with MA1 since it's more than 24k years old, which won't account for later drift among populations and you're comparing it with modern newer 6-10k year old genomes without the archaic shift towards Andamanese unlike MA1) genome rather than artificially split up components based on peak, it still won't split up the WHG and Amerindian from it(if you think it had no WHG, how the heck could it have haplogroup U? WHGs also had ANE, both is from shared ancestry from earlier on, like in the paleolithic).

The most ANE populations, in order, are:

Afontova Gora 2(50%)
Karelia HG
Samara HG
Khvalynsk
Mari(38%)
Chuvash
Mal'ta
Yamnaya
Erzya
Selkup
Finnish Sami
SHGs
Kargopol Russians
East Finns
Ket
Shors
South-West Russians
Tatars
Belorusians
Lithuanians(21%)

Others:
Irish: 8%
Tabassaran: 14%
Burusho: 15%
West Greenland: 10%
Karitiana: 0%
South Indians/Tamils: 4%

K7 gives 24% to Mari, 27% to Tabassarans and other North Caucasus people, 30% to South Indians, 35% to certain Pakistani groups like the Burusho, and 44% to Karitiana, and differences between NE Europeans and NW Europeans in ANE are negligible.

Pretty obvious which is more accurate based on where ANE geographically actually was.

In this case, I am 9.3% ANE.

There is only one legitimate way right now to find out how much ANE(that is, specific, ANE peaking genetics, as ANE also had WHG and Amerindian admixture) anyone has right now, and that is the Eastern_Euro component on Eurogenes K15.

The most ANE populations, in order, are:

Afontova Gora 2(50%)
Karelia HG
Samara HG
Khvalynsk
Mari(38%)
Chuvash
Mal'ta
Yamnaya


i agree with you. however eastern euro component of k15 was not purely ane at all. more like ehg and many other stuff. and ehg is 75 % ane and 25 % whg -- lazaridis approximation. just like overall whgs are 6,7 % ehg according to him. though swiss whg didnt have any extra amount of ehg and so ane. the only relationship it has with ane is having a very old common ancestor as every other have. so nothing special. also ane dont have whg -- you mistake it for its child (ehg) which has whg (~25 % as i said).

so modern chuvash definitely doesnt have more ane than mal'ta boy ancient genome has which it self along with ag2/3 is the reference for ane. :D its more than impossible -- technically. its not good idea to calculate ancients for ones thats made for moderns. it should be opposite. ancients can only be used to proxy to calculate modern ones. so better not to post proportions of ancient genomes using modern blogger calculators.

as to some incredibly high ane in some north indians, i also believe its mistake of calculator of low k that cant distinguish. for instance eurogenes upcoming k7 has a ag3-ma1 component but it has basically two very different stuff that have to be differentiated. (when saying two, im not saying ag3 and ma1 different, its same cluster, what im saying those calculator component has some thing not really ane but similar included).

similarly basal component and villabruna of that calculator.. villabruna component there is mix of more than 3 very very different thing, it has already have whg basal ane and many others in very mixed proportions for different populations and basal have whats actually not basal. so ane is not the only problematic thing with that calculator. for every component, he has to group some together so that he can have clear picture for some europeans which is the aim. if he doesnt do so and attempt to distinguish every thing as possible he can then the result would lead a huge diversity and distance among some europeans.

and one other thing.. in that calculator, ane in some pops may not be not correct for some but for other pops the levels are rather okay. and this is interesting. there is actually nothing wrong with mari and tabassaran s high level of ane as you said, they actually have even more than 24 and 27 if we pick all. but its true on other hand that,indians actually have much lower than north east europeans who have their ane lumped with other stuff on that calculator. i read very soon some 5000 year old ancient genomes coming from n india too though. and some info is already leaked and its nothing ane.

[XenophobicPrussian]

i agree with you. however eastern euro component of k15 was not purely ane at all. more like ehg and many other stuff. and ehg is 75 % ane and 25 % whg -- lazaridis approximation. just like overall whgs are 6,7 % ehg according to him. though swiss whg didnt have any extra amount of ehg and so ane. the only relationship it has with ane is having a very old common ancestor as every other have. so nothing special. also ane dont have whg -- you mistake it for its child (ehg) which has whg (~25 % as i said).

so modern chuvash definitely doesnt have more ane than mal'ta boy ancient genome has which it self along with ag2/3 is the reference for ane
In short, ANE had no WHG, because it had EHG instead, but EHG had 25% WHG. Makes sense.

You're wrong.

Modern Chuvash absolutely has a better case for having more ANE than ANE itself, just like WHGs like La Brana, Loshbour, Villabruna, KO1 are more WHG than paleolithic WHGs such as El Miron, Vestonice, etc(and these are not different populations, Vestonice/etc wasn't replaced, these are populations after genetic drift)

Mal'ta should not be the reference for ANE, it is 24k years old, there has been too much drift genetic between then and now, which is why we also use mesolithic WHGs over paleolithic Europeans. It may as well be we don't have any admixture from Mal'ta at all(we do, but post-drift), if we had direct admixture from Mal'ta without drift going by how much ANE calcs give us we'd all have 5% Andamanese given Mal'ta had 25%, yet we don't. Afontova Gora is better(from 17k BC) but it's still not perfect. Until there is a sample from that region similar to Afontova Gora from 6-12k BC basing ANE on anything other than modern components is ridiculous(btw, you can see on PCAs, Afontova Gora plots near the populations I mentioned while Mal'ta is waaay south going towards Andamanese).

Mal'ta is a step between OoA archaic humans and evolving/drifting into a homogenous race, it's basically a mutt. The homogenous(the most far out on PCA plots) races are(although again, not totally homogenous, but atleast 80-90%) WHG, Natufian, Han Chinese, Amerindian, CHG, Melanesian, Ethiopian Ari/Hadza, Yoruba, Pygmy, San(and Anatolian/Balkan farmers as well as ANE to a far lesser extent).


its not good idea to calculate ancients for ones thats made for moderns. it should be opposite. ancients can only be used to proxy to calculate modern ones. so better not to post proportions of ancient genomes using modern blogger calculators.
No, if you want to know which modern population is closest to an ancient one, you model the ancient one on modern components. I've already explained the problems with basing it on an entire genome of an ancient sample, especially if you don't have the right ones(for example, before other discoveries, calcs based on ancients, not modern samples, showed Sardinians, Bedouins and Georgians all with the same amount of EEF, even though PCA plots told a completely different story, yet people bought into this bullshit which basically said Sardinians were MENA). Calcs based on modern components definitely match up better with PCAs than calcs based on ancient components, which really, have results that are all over the place and don't make sense. Eurogenes K15 is still the most accurate calc out there, too many other calcs tell British people they're Croatian based on ancients.

[Figaro]

Dad:


Population
ANE 15.71
ASE 1.70
WHG-UHG 62.49
East_Eurasian 1.04
West_African -
East_African 1.44
ENF 17.63

Mother:


Population
ANE 16.25
ASE 1.99
WHG-UHG 62.82
East_Eurasian 1.31
West_African 0.47
East_African 0.72
ENF 16.43

In short, ANE had no WHG, because it had EHG instead, but EHG had 25% WHG. Makes sense.

ane had no whg, yes.
whg (loschbour so on) had some ane, yes.
ane had ehg, no. -- the opposite, ehg had ane. ehg is the child of ane, being 75 % like ane and the rest 25 % being whg.


Modern Chuvash absolutely has a better case for having more ANE than ANE itself, just like WHGs like La Brana, Loshbour, Villabruna, KO1 are more WHG than paleolithic WHGs such as El Miron, Vestonice, etc(and these are not different populations, Vestonice/etc wasn't replaced, these are populations after genetic drift)

you are still saying modern chuvash is more whats called ane (ancient north eurasian) than mal'ta boy ancient genome (ma1) had? while calculator reference for ane is ma1? if there was another reference than ma1 and ag3 for calculators to use, then there would be slight possibility. but given calculators we have today, its technically impossible that chuvash is more ane than mal'ta boy. its like saying lithuanians are more whg than bichon hg, and then saying lithuanians should be reference for whg despite all the mix they have. thats like changing the whole meaning of the given word whg.


Mal'ta should not be the reference for ANE, it is 24k years old, there has been too much drift genetic between then and now, which is why we also use mesolithic WHGs over paleolithic Europeans.

maybe it shouldnt. but it is the reference. its not me who use mal'ta and ag3 as reference for ane, its those academicians and calculator bloggers what ever. that doesnt have to be direct admixture without drift, we have ane through some hgs. when a reference is used, the calculators treat it as 100 % being same stuff. whats lumped in it, its lost in a sense. (small andamese isnt the point here, calculators interested in the huge other part of mal'ta which cannot be explained by other ancient.) so for instance when there is a ehg component, all the ane and extra whg will be in it. and when there is a whg component as well, it will show you amont of extra whg you have (in addition to you have in ehg which is hidden to viewer of a spread sheet).


If you want to know which modern population is closest to an ancient one, you model the ancient one on modern components.

but unless you base your ane component on modern chuvash which is not the case, its not possible they will be more ane than mal'ta.
and no actually you shouldnt attempt to model ancient using moderns, instead one of the way to do is checking the shared genetic drift using various analysis and then rank the modern pops in ascending of percentage shared with that ancient in question. and ta da.


I've already explained the problems with basing it on an entire genome of an ancient sample, especially if you don't have the right ones(for example, before other discoveries, calcs based on ancients, not modern samples, showed Sardinians, Bedouins and Georgians all with the same amount of EEF, even though PCA plots told a completely different story, yet people bought into this bullshit which basically said Sardinians were MENA).

when there is a eef component that doesnt distinguish highly diverged ancestries from each other (which is funny i agree), its possible some irrelevant to each other folks have similar amount -- like 70 and even 80% (that suggests 70 % of their ancestry is common? no!). in reality that these three doesnt have equal amount of that farmer like ancestry, one of them (bed) has more basal and then natufian-like one. the other (sard) has more whg in addition to basal and natufian-like. the other (geo) has considerable ehg (and very small whg) in addition to basal, but not natufian-like. all these stuff are too different than each other to be lumped, i agree. a sardinian at best share only 25 % of its ancestry as common with bedouin. im saying this as hidden ancestry but when you have west med component as sardinian reference then no there will be nothing common.


Calcs based on modern components definitely match up better with PCAs than calcs based on ancient components, which really, have results that are all over the place and don't make sense. Eurogenes K15 is still the most accurate calc out there, too many other calcs tell British people they're Croatian based on ancients.

modern vs ancient based calculator, well not really, they are equally imperfect if any thing. when its done using modern geographical ancestrals, it has disadvantage too. beause there would be some scapegoats when it comes to project the result (using pca). why? some modern pops which are relatively less mixed than other (for instance sardianians) will be used as reference (sardinian reference for a west med component) beause they are better proxy, in this case overall sardinians will be 70-80 % west med allthough this west med is actually mix of very very different stuff in it. and some thing with 80 % same thing will end up very different place in pca when others have it like 30 % at most. so sardinians will be the scapegoat in order to better calculate other ethnichities and they will be placed in very far point of a crazy 2d pca. if there was a very similar modern pop to sardinians, then the same problem for that too.

when its done using ancient ones, it has its advantages too. and actually geographic and ancient based ones overlap more than we think because calculators always having the same problem to group irrelevant stuff together -- either way. because almost every thing sucks, eurogenes k15 is of course one of relatively better ones to calculate but not the pca (actually davidski didnt release a pca of it, some one else did a 2d world scale pca of it which doesnt even correlate with fsts that davidski shared. mds for components tell a very different story. actually you know what? you shouldnt even run a pca using percentages on spread sheet because it ignores the relationship between components, common snps shared with others. you should run using snps from raw data -- that way even when its 2d there will be not that much huge problem of funny clusterings. but not every one can do it and when its done it doesnt really correlate with world political map. you know what i mean? thats the real one. that k15 pca was obviously done using only percentages released (even not exactly correlate with them) and thats why im telling this again, on that pca a half amerindian half tunisian can plot the exact place with an half indian half french despite these two people will be autosomally and in all aspect very different than each other as one can be. while this the case one cannot use that pca for any purpose. i repeat, these two gipotetical people plot in same place -- suggesting to eyes of untraineds that,they are similar. this is where the bullsh*t starts. :shrug: havent you ever though about that? thats why its the worst and only that worst pca thats going around that common (people who share bunch of common snps end up in wrong places where there is not actual share but ancestry from a similar). as to british being too similar to croatian which is some thing different, thats the problem of samples used, its the problem with the oracles mainly. it cas do with very low k too and there is other thing which i will not really expose here)) making a calculator is really tough job, we have several ancient genomes that share some ancestry with each other but we cant randomly choose one as ancestor to two very different populations. we should check for some speficic patterns. like some ancient ancestry (x) show up as donor exclusively only and only with some thing else (z) where as the other ancient (y) which share some similarity with the first but still different show up without what the other have (z). that way we can say one have ancetsry from x and other from y. thats why we shouldnt have a single component with having x and y together because of some thing common. whats not common is what matters more.

[Peterski]

My results:

Population
ANE 18.69
ASE 1.51
WHG-UHG 64.30
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.60
ENF 14.89

By comparison, a Czech guy:

Population
ANE 16.99
ASE 1.99
WHG-UHG 63.61
East_Eurasian 0.23
West_African -
East_African 0.99
ENF 16.19

[Lucas]

ANE 18.02
ASE 1.79
WHG-UHG 66.34
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.55
East_African 1.28
ENF 12.02

[Kriptc06]

ANE 12.94
ASE 1.21
WHG-UHG 40.63
East_Eurasian 7.37
West_African 2.36
East_African 9.65
ENF 25.85

[de Burgh II]

ANE 15.39
ASE 1.85
WHG-UHG 62.47
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.77
ENF 19.52

[Deniz]

Population
ANE 14.85
ASE 1.61
WHG-UHG 40.87
East_Eurasian 3.18
West_African -
East_African 1.21
ENF 38.28

[Hadouken]

ENF 66.34
ANE 16.68
WHG-UHG 10.20
ASE 3.53
East_Eurasian 1.58
East_African 1.46
West_African 0.22

starting a farm now ...

[gültekin]

ANE 15.45
ASE 3.21
WHG-UHG 21.32
East_Eurasian 9.18
West_African 0.93
East_African -
ENF 49.91

[Lek]

Population
ANE 11.86
ASE 1.93
WHG-UHG 46.49
East_Eurasian 0.25
West_African 0.07
East_African -
ENF 39.40

[Pahli]

ENF 66.34
ANE 16.68
WHG-UHG 10.20
ASE 3.53
East_Eurasian 1.58
East_African 1.46
West_African 0.22

starting a farm now ...

Population
ANE 17.91
ASE 4.96
WHG-UHG 8.17
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.21
ENF 67.75

Not so fast! You're working under me :laugh:

[Newman]

WHG-UHG 57.25
ENF 25.16
ANE 14.85
ASE 2,32
West_African 0.42
East_Eurasian -
East_Eurasian -
East_African -

[Not a Cop]

WHG-UHG 57.25
ENF 25.16
ANE 14.85
ASE 2,32
West_African 0.42
East_Eurasian -
East_Eurasian -
East_African -

From which part of Germany are you?

[Newman]

From which part of Germany are you?

North Rhine-Westphalia

[Dick]

ANE 13.88
ASE 1.70
WHG-UHG 55.76
East_Eurasian 0.58
West_African 0.44
East_African -
ENF 27.64

[Not a Cop]

North Rhine-Westphalia

You turn out to be pretty "Southern" kind of like Flemish or North French.

[Seya]

Population
ANE 13.55
ASE 1.63
WHG-UHG 49.87
East_Eurasian 3.01
West_African 0.24
East_African -
ENF 31.70

[Norka]

ANE 18.92
ASE 2.51
WHG-UHG 60.17
East_Eurasian 7.62
West_African 0.08
East_African 0.75
ENF 9.95

[Nilotik]

Population
ANE 11.95
ASE 1.14
WHG-UHG 45.84
East_Eurasian 1.34
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 39.74

[Petalpusher]

All the peaks:

ANE
Karitiana 44.9
Burusho 37.1
Pathan 35.1


ASE
Malay 59.1
Cambodian 52
Dai 40


WHG
Lithuanian 76
Estonian 75.2
Swedish 73.1


East Eurasian
Hezhen 89.4
Oroquen 87.5
Japanese 85.5


West African
Maasai 14.1
Ethiopian 11.9
Palestinian 2.9


East African
Ethiopian 85.9
Maasai 72
Somali 57.2

ENF
Bedouin 93.8
Saudi 92.6
Yemenite Jewish 92.2



Few things to note as it's an old calulcator but still an interesting one :

-"ASE" is not exactly the recent one we know of peaking at 100% in Negritos or Australoid, but probably still a mix of Oceanians+ something East Eurasian like. I tried to run Litvin's Australoid to see what he would score (+90% of the real ASE at K6):

Kit : Z905945

ANE 13.92
ASE 32.66
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian 28.22
West_African 2.86
East_African 10.40
ENF 11.95

-"West Africa" doesn't have real W.Africa populations in the spreadsheet such as Nigeria, Cameroon etc, still likely peak there, so only see very low peaks in horners, which for them goes instead for the most part in the "East Africa".

-"ENF" is the outdated reference pre NAF-CHG genomes. In Europe it peaks in S.Italians, Greeks and Sicilians (55-60%), it's something more similar to a Basal Eurasian.

[Rius]

Population
ANE 12.58
ASE 2.17
WHG-UHG 20.10
East_Eurasian 3.11
West_African 1.53
East_African 0.36
ENF 60.16

[Voskos]

All the peaks:

ANE
Karitiana 44.9
Burusho 37.1
Pathan 35.1


ASE
Malay 59.1
Cambodian 52
Dai 40


WHG
Lithuanian 76
Estonian 75.2
Swedish 73.1


East Eurasian
Hezhen 89.4
Oroquen 87.5
Japanese 85.5


West African
Maasai 14.1
Ethiopian 11.9
Palestinian 2.9


East African
Ethiopian 85.9
Maasai 72
Somali 57.2

ENF
Bedouin 93.8
Saudi 92.6
Yemenite Jewish 92.2



Few things to note as it's an old calulcator but still an interesting one :

-"ASE" is not exactly the recent one we know of peaking at 100% in Negritos or Australoid, but probably still a mix of Oceanians+ something East Eurasian like. I tried to run Litvin's Australoid to see what he would score (+90% of the real ASE at K6):

Kit : Z905945

ANE 13.92
ASE 32.66
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian 28.22
West_African 2.86
East_African 10.40
ENF 11.95

-"West Africa" doesn't have real W.Africa populations in the spreadsheet such as Nigeria, Cameroon etc, still likely peak there, so only see very low peaks in horners, which for them goes instead for the most part in the "East Africa".

-"ENF" is the outdated reference pre NAF-CHG genomes. In Europe it peaks in S.Italians, Greeks and Sicilians (55-60%), it's something more similar to a Basal Eurasian.

did he use karitiana as reference for ANE?

[Petalpusher]

did he use karitiana as reference for ANE?

No, why? It would be 100% then. It's Mal'ta (MA1).

In the new K7 it is sourced on AG2-3, doesn't change much it puts the modern peak in Surui and Karitiana in second, but south Asians get more of it.

[Voskos]

No, why? It would be 100% then. It's Mal'ta (MA1).

eurasia k6 gives me two times more ane than ANEk7 and was trying to figure out why.

[Petalpusher]

eurasia k6 gives me two times more ane than ANEk7 and was trying to figure out why.

I also get more. @ K6 it peaks in Balochi (43.20%).

[RN97]

No, why? It would be 100% then. It's Mal'ta (MA1).

In the new K7 it is sourced on AG2-3, doesn't change much it puts the modern peak in Surui and Karitiana in second, but south Asians get more of it.

What does UHG mean?

[Dick]

What does UHG mean?

Unknown HG

[Petalpusher]

What does UHG mean?

A parallel branch or common ancestor of the mesolithic WHG's, found in early farmers outside of Europe. @K7 they are half Villabruna, half Basal Eurasian.

We don't have a sample of it yet ( and it's gonna be complicated to get it for several reasons), but it's always modeled like this:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?204780-Vinca-culture-G2a-confirmed&p=4277847&viewfull=1#post4277847

[Voskos]

Gs.jpg

thats too much ANE for a balkanite

[Dick]

thats too much ANE for a balkanite

Scratch an Albanian and you'll find a Slav.

[DRUM]

http://i.imgur.com/QEjUYKi.png?1

[Voskos]

Scratch any European and you'll find a Slav.

fixed

[Voskos]

...

[The Illyrian Warrior]

http://oi67.tinypic.com/35amyid.jpg

[Pahli]

Population
ANE 17.89
ASE 4.94
WHG-UHG 8.25
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.24
ENF 67.69

[The Illyrian Warrior]

ANE 11.32
ASE 0.81
WHG-UHG 44.24
East_Eurasian 1.13
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 42.50

[Kelmendasi]

Population
ANE 9.57
ASE 0.76
WHG-UHG 46.28
East_Eurasian 0.20
West_African 0.28
East_African -
ENF 42.89

[XenophobicPrussian]

All the peaks:

ANE
Karitiana 44.9
Burusho 37.1
Pathan 35.1


ASE
Malay 59.1
Cambodian 52
Dai 40


WHG
Lithuanian 76
Estonian 75.2
Swedish 73.1


East Eurasian
Hezhen 89.4
Oroquen 87.5
Japanese 85.5


West African
Maasai 14.1
Ethiopian 11.9
Palestinian 2.9


East African
Ethiopian 85.9
Maasai 72
Somali 57.2

ENF
Bedouin 93.8
Saudi 92.6
Yemenite Jewish 92.2



Few things to note as it's an old calulcator but still an interesting one :

-"ASE" is not exactly the recent one we know of peaking at 100% in Negritos or Australoid, but probably still a mix of Oceanians+ something East Eurasian like. I tried to run Litvin's Australoid to see what he would score (+90% of the real ASE at K6):

Kit : Z905945

ANE 13.92
ASE 32.66
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian 28.22
West_African 2.86
East_African 10.40
ENF 11.95

-"West Africa" doesn't have real W.Africa populations in the spreadsheet such as Nigeria, Cameroon etc, still likely peak there, so only see very low peaks in horners, which for them goes instead for the most part in the "East Africa".

-"ENF" is the outdated reference pre NAF-CHG genomes. In Europe it peaks in S.Italians, Greeks and Sicilians (55-60%), it's something more similar to a Basal Eurasian.
Do you have more averages(specifically for WHG-UHG and ANE) for Europeans? Can't find a spreadsheet for this calc anywhere.

A parallel branch or common ancestor of the mesolithic WHG's, found in early farmers outside of Europe. @K7 they are half Villabruna, half Basal Eurasian.

We don't have a sample of it yet ( and it's gonna be complicated to get it for several reasons), but it's always modeled like this:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?204780-Vinca-culture-G2a-confirmed&p=4277847&viewfull=1#post4277847
Seems more like this WHG-UHG component is more like 75% Villabruna related and 25% Basal Eurasian, if Lithuanians are 76 WHG-UHG on this and 60 on Basal-Rich K7.

[Jana]

WHG-UHG 58.76
ENF 23.09
ANE 15.24
ASE 2.09
East_Eurasian 0.44
West_African 0.38
East_African -

[Kelmendasi]

Mine:
Population
ANE 9.57
ASE 0.76
WHG-UHG 46.28
East_Eurasian 0.20
West_African 0.28
East_African -
ENF 42.89

[Voskos]

ANE 10.11
ASE 1.22
WHG-UHG 30.70
East_Eurasian 0.07
West_African -
East_African 1.81
ENF 56.08

[Thanas Django]

Population
ANE 8.69
ASE 0.35
WHG-UHG 21.22
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.63
East_African 0.26
ENF 68.82

[Rius]

ANE 12.58
ASE 2.17
WHG-UHG 20.10
East_Eurasian 3.11
West_African 1.53
East_African 0.36
ENF 60.16

[Dibran]

Me:


Population
ANE 9.71
ASE 0.61
WHG-UHG 45.00
East_Eurasian 0.19
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 44.48



Father:



Population
ANE 10.21
ASE 0.67
WHG-UHG 42.37
East_Eurasian 0.61
West_African 0.51
East_African -
ENF 45.63

[Ibericus]

PCA of ANE K7 :

https://image.ibb.co/dpXw5F/ANEK7_Euro_PCA.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

PCA of ANE K7 :

https://image.ibb.co/dpXw5F/ANEK7_Euro_PCA.jpg

Any chance you could include the portuguese sample and/or me?


Population
ANE 10.09%
ASE 1.00%
WHG-UHG 52.08%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.90%
East_African 3.30%
ENF 32.62%

[Kelmendasi]

PCA of ANE K7 :

https://image.ibb.co/dpXw5F/ANEK7_Euro_PCA.jpg
Can you please add me to it? My results are above

[Ibericus]

Any chance you could include the portuguese sample and/or me?

https://image.ibb.co/j2ChCv/endovelico.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

Thanks, unexpected placement though.

[Ibericus]

Can you please add me to it? My results are above

https://image.ibb.co/d97zsv/kelmendasi.jpg

[Dibran]

https://image.ibb.co/d97zsv/kelmendasi.jpg

Could you add me and my father, good sir? If its no trouble :)

Me:

Population
ANE 9.71
ASE 0.61
WHG-UHG 45.00
East_Eurasian 0.19
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 44.48



Father:

Population
ANE 10.21
ASE 0.67
WHG-UHG 42.37
East_Eurasian 0.61
West_African 0.51
East_African -
ENF 45.63

[Lek]

PCA of ANE K7 :

https://image.ibb.co/dpXw5F/ANEK7_Euro_PCA.jpg

Can you add me please? Ty in advance and will rep.

ANE 11.86
ASE 1.93
WHG-UHG 46.49
East_Eurasian 0.25
West_African 0.07
East_African -
ENF 39.40

[Kelmendasi]

Can you add me please? Ty in advance and will rep.

ANE 11.86
ASE 1.93
WHG-UHG 46.49
East_Eurasian 0.25
West_African 0.07
East_African -
ENF 39.40
Your gonna plot really north for an Albo I predict due to your low Neolithic but high WHG and ANE. We have similar WHG btw :)

[Ibericus]

Could you add me and my father, good sir? If its no trouble :)

Me:

Population
ANE 9.71
ASE 0.61
WHG-UHG 45.00
East_Eurasian 0.19
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 44.48



Father:

Population
ANE 10.21
ASE 0.67
WHG-UHG 42.37
East_Eurasian 0.61
West_African 0.51
East_African -
ENF 45.63

https://image.ibb.co/dh80za/Dibran.jpg

[Dibran]

https://image.ibb.co/dh80za/Dibran.jpg

you're the man.. thank you!

[Ibericus]

Can you add me please? Ty in advance and will rep.

ANE 11.86
ASE 1.93
WHG-UHG 46.49
East_Eurasian 0.25
West_African 0.07
East_African -
ENF 39.40

https://image.ibb.co/ixtiKa/ali_pasha.jpg

[RN97]

https://image.ibb.co/ixtiKa/ali_pasha.jpg

Could you add me too? Thanks in advance

ANE 15.06
ASE 2.44
WHG-UHG 55.63
East_Eurasian 0.20
West_African -
East_African 0.68
ENF 25.99

[Ibericus]

Could you add me too? Thanks in advance

https://image.ibb.co/bL1EQF/RN97.jpg

[oszkar07]

If you have the time to add me too, Much Thanks.
Population
ANE 15.81
ASE 0.92
WHG-UHG 61.24
East_Eurasian 1.53
West_African 0.56
East_African -
ENF 19.95

[Ibericus]

If you have the time to add me too, Much Thanks.
Population
ANE 15.81
ASE 0.92
WHG-UHG 61.24
East_Eurasian 1.53
West_African 0.56
East_African -
ENF 19.95

https://image.ibb.co/cqwF0F/oszkar.png

[oszkar07]

https://image.ibb.co/cqwF0F/oszkar.png

Gracias!

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Can you do me Ibericus?

Population
ANE 11.32
ASE 0.81
WHG-UHG 44.24
East_Eurasian 1.13
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 42.50

[Lek]

Can you do me Ibericus?

Population
ANE 11.32
ASE 0.81
WHG-UHG 44.24
East_Eurasian 1.13
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 42.50

Here our steppe is about same but Im more WHG-UHG and less ENF which puts me more northern. I wonder what samples these calcs are using as they still must be different from the samples litvin used on k36.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Here our steppe is about same but Im more WHG-UHG and less ENF which puts me more northern. I wonder what samples these calcs are using as they still must be different from the samples litvin used on k36.

East Asian score basically should go to ANE.

You should try this calculator and compare with yamnaya samples. http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

[Lek]

East Asian score basically should go to ANE.

You should try this calculator and compare with yamnaya samples. http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/ancient.htm

Siberian and some others should probably go to ANE/Steppe/Yamnaya too

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Siberian and some others should probably go to ANE/Steppe/Yamnaya too

Yep.

[Ibericus]

Can you do me Ibericus?

Population
ANE 11.32
ASE 0.81
WHG-UHG 44.24
East_Eurasian 1.13
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 42.50

https://image.ibb.co/cZ0mPa/illyirian.png

[The Illyrian Warrior]

https://image.ibb.co/cZ0mPa/illyirian.png

thanks man.

[Dibran]

thanks man.

Nice. Not to far from me or Kelmendasi. Assuming how simiar it is in layout to K15 my pops would probably plot a bit to the bottom right of you.

[Dibran]

https://image.ibb.co/cZ0mPa/illyirian.png

Could you plot my father if its no trouble? I want to see if im correct in assuming he would be to the bottom right/left of The Illyrian Warrior.

Population
ANE 10.21
ASE 0.67
WHG-UHG 42.37
East_Eurasian 0.61
West_African 0.51
East_African -
ENF 45.63

[Ibericus]

Could you plot my father if its no trouble? I want to see if im correct in assuming he would be to the bottom right/left of The Illyrian Warrior.

Population
ANE 10.21
ASE 0.67
WHG-UHG 42.37
East_Eurasian 0.61
West_African 0.51
East_African -
ENF 45.63

https://image.ibb.co/mhXTnv/dibran_dad.png

[Dibran]

https://image.ibb.co/mhXTnv/dibran_dad.png

Nice I was pretty accurate where he would land. Thank you!

[Kelmendasi]

Nice. Not to far from me or Kelmendasi. Assuming how simiar it is in layout to K15 my pops would probably plot a bit to the bottom right of you.
Im more north than you and Illyrian warrior on this but I am closer to you as I am western shifted like you but there is a gap between us as I plot nearly the same with the Kosovar average while you and him plot south of it

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Im more north than you and Illyrian warrior on this but I am closer to you as I am western shifted like you but there is a gap between us as I plot nearly the same with the Kosovar average while you and him plot south of it

You're more southwestern or western (french) but not really baltic/northeastern, this just fits pretty well with what eurogene k36 similarity map displays, I have slightly more similarity with northeastern europeans but that's due steppe you however are more sardinian and more paleolithic but not entirely WHG as many of our WHG genes have come also via IE.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

http://i68.tinypic.com/p4zyg.jpg
Your results correlates very well with your high scoring Atlanto_Med component.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uJ3wHmXSLm0/UFtAN2nsPJI/AAAAAAAAD0g/4sIVqH0icsE/s1600/MDLPatlantomed.jpg

[Peterski]

That arrow described as "West" should be "North".

[Kelmendasi]

That arrow described as "West" should be "North".
Yh northwest so that it opposes the southwest

[Kelmendasi]

http://i68.tinypic.com/p4zyg.jpg
Your results correlates very well with your high scoring Atlanto_Med component.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uJ3wHmXSLm0/UFtAN2nsPJI/AAAAAAAAD0g/4sIVqH0icsE/s1600/MDLPatlantomed.jpg
What do you think is the source for my high Atlanto_Med?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

That arrow described as "West" should be "North".

Was more meant to be directed for French or slightly more to Basque, true, above Central French and towards English & scots should be counted as north.

[Dibran]

What do you think is the source for my high Atlanto_Med?

What calculator check atlantic_med?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

What do you think is the source for my high Atlanto_Med?

The only thing I know for certainty is that your genes are more Megalithic than mine (or more native), more Sardinian like (West Med), I certainly have more Anatolian farmer (could also be translated in East Med) and ofc Steppe people who had a much greater influence in my genome.

[Peterski]

Yh northwest so that it opposes the southwest

LOL no, that is just North, not North-West. Here is how it is done properly:

And Albanians are going to plot in the south-eastern quadrant of this PCA:

http://i.imgur.com/zVZ1FEM.png

http://i.imgur.com/zVZ1FEM.png

[Dibran]

LOL no, that is just North, not North-West. Here is how it is done properly:

And Albanians are going to plot in the south-eastern quadrant of this PCA:

http://i.imgur.com/zVZ1FEM.png


http://i.imgur.com/zVZ1FEM.png


Could you do that ancient calculator for me? I remember you mentioning you were going to do it but never saw you post it(unless I am missing something)

[Kelmendasi]

What calculator check atlantic_med?
MDLP world-22. I get 39.37%

[Dibran]

MDLP world-22. I get 39.37%

I am a smidgen higher. maybe has to do with our higher neolithic?


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 39.9
2 North-East-European 28.22
3 West-Asian 18.16
4 Near_East 12.7
5 Indo-Tibetan 0.71
6 South-African 0.18
7 Indo-Iranian 0.08
8 Melanesian 0.03
9 Pygmy 0.02

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I score only 33.86% Atlanto_Med_Neolithic, difference is obvious.

[Kelmendasi]

I am a smidgen higher. maybe has to do with our higher neolithic?


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 39.9
2 North-East-European 28.22
3 West-Asian 18.16
4 Near_East 12.7
5 Indo-Tibetan 0.71
6 South-African 0.18
7 Indo-Iranian 0.08
8 Melanesian 0.03
9 Pygmy 0.02
I think it is a mix of Neolithic and Paleolithic/Mesolithic since it also peaks in some areas of northern Europe

[Dibran]

I think it is a mix of Neolithic and Paleolithic/Mesolithic since it also peaks in some areas of northern Europe

True. I wonder how much my moms side has. My father is only at 36.4. I know its only a few percent, but I imagine someone on her side, be it sibling or relative, is 40+ percent

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I think it is a mix of Neolithic and Paleolithic/Mesolithic since it also peaks in some areas of northern Europe

Primarily Neolithic and WHG, in latter you have the paleolithic elements hence why you get more similarities with every Paleo sample in k36 exc. Mal'ta boy who their descendants are ANE people.

[kingjohn]

Population
ANE 10.77
ASE 1.44
WHG-UHG 31.09
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.98
ENF 54.70

[Dibran]

LivingDNA result:

Population
ANE 10.01
ASE 0.10
WHG-UHG 43.72
East_Eurasian 0.52
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 45.64

[Kriptc06]

ANE 12.94
ASE 1.21
WHG-UHG 40.63
East_Eurasian 7.37
West_African 2.36
East_African 9.65
ENF 25.85

Wadaad would be proud

[Stears]

Stears


<tbody>

<tbody>




ANE
17.35


ASE
2.16


WHG-UHG
54.96


East_Eurasian
1.95


West_African
-


East_African
-


ENF
23.97

</tbody>


</tbody>


where I can I find population average for this calculators ?

[RN97]

Stears


<tbody>

<tbody>




ANE
17.35


ASE
2.16


WHG-UHG
54.96


East_Eurasian
1.95


West_African
-


East_African
-


ENF
23.97

</tbody>


</tbody>


where I can I find population average for this calculators ?

Ching chang chong

[Stears]

Ching chang chong

It is really a little.

[RN97]

It is really a little.

Semi-asian neo-cuman serbo-vlach

[Pahli]

Population
ANE 17.91
ASE 4.96
WHG-UHG 8.17
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.21 -> Waadadoid admixture
ENF 67.75

[Stears]

Semi-asian neo-cuman serbo-vlach

On ancestryDNA I have ZERO.

what about the Russians ? They have up to 10% mongoloid !

[de Burgh II]

I wondering why Northerners have such inflated WHG-UHG? There is probably some Steppe in the mix or something that inflates the percentage. I feel the Neolithic component should be roughly 1/3.

Population
ANE 15.39
ASE 1.85
WHG-UHG 62.47
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.77
ENF 19.52

[Petalpusher]

Stears


<tbody>

<tbody>




ANE
17.35


ASE
2.16


WHG-UHG
54.96


East_Eurasian
1.95


West_African
-


East_African
-


ENF
23.97

</tbody>


</tbody>


where I can I find population average for this calculators ?

All the peaks a few pages back :




ANE
Karitiana 44.9
Burusho 37.1
Pathan 35.1


ASE
Malay 59.1
Cambodian 52
Dai 40


WHG
Lithuanian 76
Estonian 75.2
Swedish 73.1


East Eurasian
Hezhen 89.4
Oroquen 87.5
Japanese 85.5


West African
Maasai 14.1
Ethiopian 11.9
Palestinian 2.9


East African
Ethiopian 85.9
Maasai 72
Somali 57.2

ENF
Bedouin 93.8
Saudi 92.6
Yemenite Jewish 92.2

[Stears]

All the peaks a few pages back :

Thanks.

[RN97]

On ancestryDNA I have ZERO.

what about the Russians ? They have up to 10% mongoloid !

You have some central Asian and it is hidden in the "eastern European" component.

[Stears]

You have some central Asian and it is hidden in the "eastern European" component.

The Romanians have more. Just watch user: ''Seya'' results...

[Böri]

Population
ANE 13.55
ASE 1.63
WHG-UHG 49.87
East_Eurasian 3.01
West_African 0.24
East_African -
ENF 31.70


The Romanians have more. Just watch user: ''Seya'' results...

Meh. That's also a little tho better than nothing ;)

Population
ANE 17.21
ASE 3.50
WHG-UHG 13.13
East_Eurasian 11.96
West_African 0.08
East_African -
ENF 54.12

[Grace O'Malley]

I don't know if I have posted previously but here is my result.

Population
ANE 16.92
ASE 1.02
WHG-UHG 63.89
East_Eurasian 1.17
West_African -
East_African 0.20
ENF 16.82

Also stop trolling Stears. There is nothing unusual in his results.

[Böri]

Population
ANE 17.91
ASE 4.96
WHG-UHG 8.17
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.21 -> Waadadoid admixture
ENF 67.75

Actually more Waadadoid than Turkmen. Surprising for a Kurd.

[Ylla]

Population
ANE 10.27
ASE 0.27
WHG-UHG 43.44
East_Eurasian 0.76
West_African 0.38
East_African-
ENF 44.87

[Kelmendasi]

23andme:
Population
ANE 10.42
ASE 1.33
WHG-UHG 45.23
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.31
East_African -
ENF 42.67



Ftdna:
Population
ANE 9.57
ASE 0.76
WHG-UHG 46.28
East_Eurasian 0.20
West_African 0.28
East_African -
ENF 42.89

[Sp_loa]

Population
ANE 5.89
ASE 0.42
WHG-UHG 24.38
East_Eurasian 0.29
West_African 0.28
East_African 6.48
ENF 62.24

[Massagetae]

Stears ancestors.

<a href='https://postimages.org/' target='_blank'><img src='https://s1.postimg.org/2ixqtpn833/ket-people.jpg' border='0' alt='ket-people'/></a>

[Rethel]

Stears ancestors.

Nope.
He's not an Uraltay... he only thinks, he is.

[Bosniensis]

Population
ANE 14.49
ASE 1.82
WHG-UHG 51.82
East_Eurasian 0.31
West_African -
East_African 0.75
ENF 30.81


What does ANE means... and what my score shows?

[Rethel]

What does ANE means...

Another nonsense expired.

(Ancestral north eurasian, a fictional component, something like castizo or mestizo)

[Böri]

Population
ANE 14.49
ASE 1.82
WHG-UHG 51.82
East_Eurasian 0.31
West_African -
East_African 0.75
ENF 30.81


What does ANE means... and what my score shows?

You are also more African SSA influenced than Turkmen influenced (what Ottoman ruling house and elite builders were). Don't play the son of the Beg anymore :)

[Bosniensis]

You are also more African SSA influenced than Turkmen influenced (what Ottoman ruling house and elite builders were). Don't play the son of the Beg anymore :)

Only Turkic and Germanic people seem to vie of African SSA.

North Africans are noble people who contributed to development of Human Civilization beyond imagination.

Egyptians, Phoenecians.

Greeks, Romans were all obsessed with Northern Africa, even their language has Phoenecian, Egyptian components.

But still... Turks, Germans see only BAD in those people, call them "NEGROS, BLACK" or whatever...

I've never said that I've anything in common with Turks.

[Stears]

Nope.
He's not an Uraltay... he only thinks, he is.

There are not Ural -altaic languages, and there is no ural-altaic race, even the altaic category is considered pseudoscientific by scholars.

[Hadouken]

what is "turkmen" influence in this calculator to you corpan ?

[myouss]

ANE 7.69
ASE 12.10
WHG-UHG 5.25
East_Eurasian 37.88
West_African 0.61
East_African 0.14
ENF 36.33

[Rethel]

UHG? Unique hunter-gatherer? :laugh:

[myouss]

UHG? Unique hunter-gatherer? :laugh:

"Western European/Unknown Hunter-Gatherer (WHG-UHG): this essentially looks like a West Eurasian forager component, and includes the forager-like stuff carried by Neolithic farmers (Oetzi the Iceman has 40% of it)."
From the website, so yea not sure :confused:

[Dick]

ANE 13.26
ASE 1.73
WHG-UHG 55.76
East_Eurasian 0.69
West_African -
East_African 0.41
ENF 28.16

[MysteriousWays]

Population

ANE 9.41
ASE 2.30
WHG-UHG 28.18
East_Eurasian 0.53
West_African -
East_African 2.27
ENF 57.31

[MercifulServant]

Population

ANE 14.84
ASE 1.27
WHG-UHG 52.90
East_Eurasian 0.82
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 30.17

[MercifulServant]

You are also more African SSA influenced than Turkmen influenced (what Ottoman ruling house and elite builders were). Don't play the son of the Beg anymore :)

The SSA is absolute horseshit and noise

[MercifulServant]

ANE 13.26
ASE 1.73
WHG-UHG 55.76
East_Eurasian 0.69
West_African -
East_African 0.41
ENF 28.16

Fuck youre more slav then me on this one too lol

[wilhelmhalys]

Population
ANE 14.48
ASE 1.89
WHG-UHG 59.22
East_Eurasian 0.50
West_African -
East_African 2.36
ENF 21.55

[Thambi]

Population
ANE 28.37
ASE 23.77
WHG-UHG -
East_Eurasian 5.82
West_African 0.27
East_African 4.35
ENF 37.42

[Proto-Shaman]

What does ANE means... and what my score shows?

The ANE genetic component is visible in tests of the Yamnaya people, and seems to make up 50% of their ancestry indirectly. According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs. It basically destroys Rethel's Indo-European superiority, it gives him huge load of inferiority complexes.

[Proto-Shaman]

ANE 13.69
ASE 2.64
WHG-UHG 32.75
East_Eurasian 2.70
West_African 1.25
East_African -
ENF 46.96

wtf is Unknown Hunting Gatherer (UHG)?

[Freeroostah]

Population
ANE 11.51
ASE 0.81
WHG-UHG 42.41
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.20
East_African 1.25
ENF 43.82

[Leto]

Population
ANE 19.32
ASE 1.87
WHG-UHG 61.85
East_Eurasian 5.61
West_African 0.59
East_African -
ENF 10.76

[Proto-Shaman]

It is really a little.
only 0.75% less than the greatest Turanist on TA :laugh:

[Proto-Shaman]

ASE 1.87

can ASE be regarded mongoloid?

[Leto]

can ASE be regarded mongoloid?
I don't really know what that is. Most likely not entirely mongoloid if at all.

[Proto-Shaman]

I don't really know what that is. Most likely not entirely mongoloid if at all.
It's called Ancient South Eurasian. The Indian guy Thambi has a lot of this. I think it is something related to Southeast Asian. Maybe off-topic, but these are my DNA.land results btw:



https://i.imgur.com/6jQeSlD.png
https://i.imgur.com/ATDGUF9.png

and these are the results of one of my 100% blood relatives:

https://i.imgur.com/xHqBBse.png
https://i.imgur.com/g3eAFON.png

[Leto]

It's called Ancient South Eurasian. The Indian guy Thambi has a lot of this. I think it is something related to Southeast Asian.


I know what the letters stand for. I don't know what this component includes. Anyway, I don't think this calculator is very accurate. I'm less than 1% South Asian on others.

Maybe off-topic, but these are my DNA.land results btw:
93% Balkan? Lol. Very Turanish. :rolleyes:

[Mingle]

can ASE be regarded mongoloid?

No, it's Australoid. I don't see how ASE would be Mongoloid. Mongoloid is East Eurasian which is a separate component.

[Proto-Shaman]

93% Balkan? Lol. Very Turanish. :rolleyes:
It comes mostly from my mother's side, she run away from Tito :cool: The mother's side of my father has the same background.

[Proto-Shaman]

No, it's Australoid. I don't see how ASE would be Mongoloid. Mongoloid is East Eurasian which is a separate component.
I think its the same as ANE, neither nor.

[Mingle]

I think its the same as ANE, neither nor.

Why would it be the same as ANE?? Do you not know that North Eurasia and South Eurasia are completely different places?

[Proto-Shaman]

Why would it be the same as ANE?? Do you not know that North Eurasia and South Eurasia are completely different places?
i meant in terms of being caucasoid, negroid or mongoloid. Its nothing comparable.

[silentkiller]

I'm a 0.45% nigga!

ANE 19.00
ASE 1.74
WHG-UHG 63.87
East_Eurasian 4.48
West_African 0.45
East_African -
ENF 10.47

[Leto]

I'm a 0.45% nigga!

The Englishman Idris Elba approves :thumb001:
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/88/c1/8f/88c18fb589d3a1c5c9c821f0173fecfd--idris-elba-pacific-rim.jpg

[silentkiller]

The Englishman Idris Elba approves :thumb001:
His tower is too dark!

[Not a Cop]

I'm a 0.45% nigga!

ANE 19.00
ASE 1.74
WHG-UHG 63.87
East_Eurasian 4.48
West_African 0.45
East_African -
ENF 10.47

Чёт у тебя East-Eurasian многовато, откуда предки?

[Leto]

Чёт у тебя East-Eurasian многовато, откуда предки?
That's the average for Russians, bro. Don't even try arguing with someone who has seen over 200 GEDmatch results from this part of the world. ;)

[Not a Cop]

That's the average for Russians, bro. Don't even try arguing with someone who has seen over 200 GEDmatch results from this part of the world. ;)

That's not really average, for most of the country from Rostov-na-Donu to Novgorod\Tver' it does not exceed 3%.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

[Leto]

That's not really average, for most of the country from Rostov-na-Donu to Novgorod\Tver' it does not exceed 3%.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml
The spreadsheets slightly underestimate the EE admixture in us. For example the Belarus sample for Dodecad is absolutely horseshit. We are usually 55-60% North European on K12b, but it says Belarus is like 65% on AVERAGE or so, which is definitely unrealistic. Generally speaking, Russians are around 5% mongoloid on average. And Novogorod is in the North. Your St. Pete grandmother is over 5% as far as I remember. Rostov-on-Don is basically irrelevant, 'cause Russians settled it in the 18th century and later. My dad is a pretty Western East Slav, possibly even part Polish, yet he is like 2-3% mongoloid on GEDmatch. All in all, I'm basically your average Russian, a mix of West and East, phenotypically can easily pass as far as Poland and Slovakia, yet I'm around 6-7% mongoloid on GEDmatch.

[silentkiller]

Чёт у тебя East-Eurasian многовато, откуда предки?

По отцовской линии, знаю мало:
Прадед - по вере баптист, русский, придерживался строгого ЗОЖика, много работал. Расстрелян кровавой гэбней в 1938-м в Омской области, по обвинению в государственной измене, какие-то книжки у него нашли, в 1956-м за отсутствием состава преступления опавдан. Дед - белорус из под Минска откуда-то, жил в Свердловской области, мой отец вырос в Свердловской области, потом переехал в Северо-Западный федеральный округ.

По материнской линии - в основном все жили между Ярославской и Ивановской областью, насколько я знаю. Дед родом из Иваново, бабушка из Гаврилов-Яма Ярославской области.

Есть родня в Минской области по отцу, есть переехавшие при СССР, родные в Донецке по материнской линии.

[Leto]

По отцовской линии, знаю мало:
Прадед - по вере баптист, русский, придерживался строгого ЗОЖика, много работал. Расстрелян кровавой гэбней в 1938-м в Омской области, по обвинению в государственной измене, какие-то книжки у него нашли, в 1956-м за отсутствием состава преступления опавдан. Дед - белорус из под Минска откуда-то, жил в Свердловской области, мой отец вырос в Свердловской области, потом переехал в Северо-Западный федеральный округ.

По материнской линии - в основном все жили между Ярославской и Ивановской областью, насколько я знаю. Дед родом из Иваново, бабушка из Гаврилов-Яма Ярославской области.

Есть родня в Минской области по отцу, есть переехавшие при СССР, родные в Донецке по материнской линии.
You're an average Russian, bro, don't believe that lie. Not a Cop is a Baltic German supremacist and you know they hate us, 'cause they ain't us as Leonardo DiCaprio said. :lol: Russians in big cities are usually of mixed ancestry (various regions + USraine and Belarus).

@Not a Cop
Я знаю Олега лично и имею его номер на Гедматче. Он человек российской расы, я отвечаю!

[silentkiller]

You're an average Russian, bro, don't believe that lie. Not a Cop is a Baltic German supremacist and you know they hate us, 'cause they ain't us as Leonardo DiCaprio said. :lol: Russians in big cities are usually of mixed ancestry (various regions + USraine and Belarus).
I stand out against the background of the local Finno-Ugric population, but not so much that they thought that I was not Russian.

@Not a Cop
Я знаю Олега лично и имею его номер на Гедматче. Он человек российской расы, я отвечаю!
I represent true Rossiyanin race. Heey, kissing Putin's icon everyday!

[Leto]

I stand out against the background of the local Finno-Ugric population, but not so much that they thought that I was not Russian.
Vologda is not average. They are more like my mom from Vyatka who is 8-9% mong. Finnic subhumans in short. ;)

Anyway, pure Russians (4 Russian grandparents) usually range from 2% mong to 10% or so, judging by what I've seen (and I've seen a focking lot more than anyone on these anthroforums), so the average must be around 5% like I said.

[silentkiller]

Vologda is not average. They are more like my mom from Vyatka who is 8-9% mong. Finnic subhumans in short. ;)
Anyway, pure Russians (4 Russian grandparents) usually range from 2% mong to 10% or so, judging by what I've seen (and I've seen a focking lot more than anyone on these anthroforums), so the average must be around 5% like I said.
Finnic subhumans, Finnic subhumans everywhere. В любом случае, как мне тут сказали - из-за альпинидного влияния у меня пан-европеан лук, более сдвинутый к юго-западной европушке, due to them swarthy genes.

[Leto]

Finnic subhumans, Finnic subhumans everywhere. В любом случае, как мне тут сказали - из-за альпинидного влияния у меня пан-европеан лук, более сдвинутый к юго-западной европушке, due to them swarthy genes.
Well, genetically speaking, I see no signs of swarthyness in you

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 57.08
2 Atlantic_Med 20.7
3 Caucasus 11.79
4 Gedrosia 4.21
5 Siberian 2.62
6 East_Asian 1.3
7 Southwest_Asian 1.24
8 South_Asian 0.65
9 East_African 0.23
10 Northwest_African 0.2

And this is where you plot on the Eurogenes map (the violet dot under my Dad). Click to enlarge.
https://thumb.ibb.co/gt59bw/K15V4.png (https://ibb.co/gt59bw)

[silentkiller]

Well, genetically speaking, I see no signs of swarthyness in you
Personally, I think that I'm an ordinary Russian, just a little bit "baked" ("quemado" as Spaniards would say). How would you classify my older brother? Now his hair turned totally gray.

[Leto]

Personally, I think that I'm an ordinary Russian, just a little bit "baked" ("quemado" as Spaniards would say). How would you classify my older brother? Now his hair turned totally gray.
Well, I don't classify anyone, 'cause I find that stuff inaccurate and boring. But making a wild guess, I'd say he is Pontid.

[silentkiller]

Well, I don't classify anyone, 'cause I find that stuff inaccurate and boring. But making a wild guess, I'd say he is Pontid.
We got the same parents, but he's darker than me. He looks more like my mom.

[MercifulServant]

Well, I don't classify anyone, 'cause I find that stuff inaccurate and boring. But making a wild guess, I'd say he is Pontid.

Classifying is BS anyway

[Not a Cop]

Not a Cop is a Baltic German supremacist and you know they hate us, 'cause they ain't us as Leonardo DiCaprio said. :lol: .


Братиш, ты гусей погнал походу.


@Not a Cop
Я знаю Олега лично и имею его номер на Гедматче. Он человек российской расы, я отвечаю!

Да я в его русскости не сомневаюсь, просто насколько помнил у него предки в основном из центральной России, поэтому и удивился.

[Stears]

only 0.75% less than the greatest Turanist on TA :laugh:
what does it mean ?

[MercifulServant]

Stears


<tbody>

<tbody>




ANE
17.35


ASE
2.16


WHG-UHG
54.96


East_Eurasian
1.95


West_African
-


East_African
-


ENF
23.97

</tbody>


</tbody>


where I can I find population average for this calculators ?

See stears I am less Asian then you now stop calling me a balloon head implying that I'm mongoloid when your more than me

[MercifulServant]

The ANE genetic component is visible in tests of the Yamnaya people, and seems to make up 50% of their ancestry indirectly. According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs. It basically destroys Rethel's Indo-European superiority, it gives him huge load of inferiority complexes.

It's not mongoloid for sure

[Seya]

It's called Ancient South Eurasian. The Indian guy Thambi has a lot of this. I think it is something related to Southeast Asian. Maybe off-topic, but these are my DNA.land results btw:




So u’re a balkanite? Reading your posts I thought u’re tatar or something :))

[MercifulServant]

So u’re a balkanite? Reading your posts I thought u’re tatar or something :))

He's a Kipchak

[Seya]

He's a Kipchak

He scores 93% balkan and some more south asian...nothing turkic about him

[MercifulServant]

He scores 93% balkan and some more south asian...nothing turkic about him

Ik he's not genetically speaking but he's kipchak