Selected population averages for K8

[Longbowman]

103 population averages from K8. If anyone could put them in a more east-to-read table that would be swell. I'll work on some maps tomorrow.

Here's the google doc: don't know if it can be edited, so raw data below. Google doc easier to navigate though:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

ANE SEA Near_East EEA WHG Oceanian Pygmy Sub-Saharan
Abkhazia (n=21) 22.13% 4.19% 70.66% 0 2.96% 0 0.06% 0
Adyghei (n=14) 23.81% 4.38% 61.60% 1.23% 8.76% 0.16% 0.08% 0.01%
Armenia (n=27) 15.48% 2.81% 77.75% 0 3.61% 0.06% 0.26% 0.03%
Ashkenazi (n=19) 8.44% 0.85% 68.10% 1.37% 18.55% 0.40% 0.21% 2.07%
Assyrian (n=1) 13.72% 2.83% 80.25% 0 2.29% 0.40% 0.15% 0.36%
Azeri (n=16) 18.50% 4.97% 67.61% 3.53% 3.96% 0.23% 0.49% 0.71%
Balkar (n=20) 23.45% 5.07% 59.92% 2.75% 8.52% 0.06% 0.19% 0
French Basque (n=12) 5.96% 0.06% 47.38% 0.35% 45.79% 0.18% 0.16% 0.10%
Bedouin (n=40) 2.94% 0.23% 81.63% 1.91% 2.16% 0.53% 0.17% 10.42%
Belarussian (n=15) 16.90% 1.21% 33.37% 0.36% 47.63% 0.24% 0.11% 0.18%
Bosnian (n=15) 14.09% 1.57% 45.88% 0.19% 37.84% 0.29% 0.11% 0.04%
Bulgarian (n=31) 12.72% 1.22% 52.55% 0.63% 32.43% 0.27% 0.13% 0.05%
Central Greek (n=10) 10.55% 1.02% 63.32% 0.19% 24.42% 0.31% 0.12% 0.07%
Central Sicilian (n=2) 7.52% 0.62% 67.54% 0.42% 21.14% 0.29% 0.38% 2.07%
Chechen (n=19) 25.94% 4.59% 59.43% 0.02% 9.95% 0.03% 0.04% 0
Chuvash (n=18) 21.61% 0.12% 23.28% 20.35% 33.71% 0.38% 0.07% 0.48%
Croatia (n=24) 13.73% 0.98% 44.84% 0.09% 39.93% 0.30% 0.10% 0.03%
Cyprus (n=11) 7.95% 0.77% 78.02% 0.36% 11.37% 0.41% 0.32% 0.78%
Druze (n=23) 8.49% 1.75% 80.02% 0.46% 5.91% 0.50% 0.32% 2.53%
East Sicilian (n=10) 7.72% 0.93% 67.01% 0.53% 21.52% 0.37% 0.27% 1.64%
Egypt (n=11) 2.34% 0.27% 73.17% 1.55% 3.94% 0.53% 0.46% 17.71%
Erzya (n=9) 20.11% 1.55% 28.82% 6.05% 43.05% 0.13% 0.11% 0.17%
Estonia (n=15) 18.25% 1.52% 27.12% 1.68% 50.81% 0.35% 0.04% 0.23%
Finland (n=3) 17.38% 0.58% 26.57% 5.73% 48.72% 0.82% 0.07% 0.12%
French (n=30) 11.48% 0.36% 45.65% 0.31% 41.66% 0.21% 0.19% 0.13%
Georgian (n=5) 20.76% 2.97% 74.77% 0 1.32% 0.08% 0.09% 0
Georgian Jewish (n=3) 8.29% 3.09% 78.58% 0 3.35% 0.32% 0.14% 0.71%
Georgian Laz (n=5) 17.80% 2.86% 75.80% 0 3.34% 0 0 0
Greek (n=17) 9.89% 0.50% 63.31% 0.33% 25.43% 0.37% 0.13% 0.03%
Greek Thessaly (n=10) 10.76% 0.96% 59.60% 0.27% 28.04% 0.25% 0.11% 0.06%
Hungary (n=18) 14.29% 0.85% 42.73% 0.63% 41.09% 0.16% 0.08% 0.17%
Iran (n=17) 19.61% 5.98% 68.82% 0.30% 1.80% 0.43% 0.63% 2.43%
Iranian Jewish (n=12) 14.01% 3.37% 79.77% 0.08% 1.02% 0.24% 0.20% 1.30%
Iraqi Jewish (n=13) 12.04% 2.79% 82.72% 0 0.75% 0.44% 0.11% 1.14%
Abruzzo (n=11) 9.29% 0.41% 65.24% 0.40% 23.66% 0.46% 0.25% 0.28%
Jordan (n=19) 6.56% 1.30% 76.82% 1.68% 4.73% 0.53% 0.31% 8.08%
Kabardin (n=3) 23.03% 4.32% 59.08% 3.22% 10.18% 0 0.17% 0
Kazakh (n=17) 17.24% 0.18% 17.09% 54.45% 9.15% 1.33% 0.09% 0.47%
Ket (n=4) 28.24% 0 0.71% 56.98% 13.03% 0.70% 0 0.34%
Kosovar (n=9) 10.89% 0.96% 57.82% 0.06% 30.07% 0.12% 0.09% 0
Kumyk (n=16) 23.55% 4.86% 58.70% 2.88% 9.57% 0.17% 0.21% 0.05%
Kurd (n=6) 19.31% 4.83% 71.74% 0 3.13% 0.28% 0.04% 0.29%
Lebanese C (n=25) 7.14% 0.89% 83.15% 0.67% 5.54% 0.50% 0.26% 1.86%
Lebanese M (n=25) 9.82% 1.72% 76.62% 0.66% 6.18% 0.56% 0.42% 4.02%
Lezgin (n=21) 27.53% 4.58% 58.34% 0 9.46% 0 0.03% 0.06%
Lithuania (n=10) 18.10% 1.03% 28.27% 0.01% 52.10% 0.32% 0.06% 0.11%
Macedonian (n=14) 12.33% 0.96% 52.44% 0.14% 33.85% 0.18% 0.08% 0.01%
Mari (n=15) 23.04% 0 18.09% 25.44% 32.19% 0.47% 0 0.76%
Moksha (n=5) 19.26% 1.54% 30.51% 5.17% 42.92% 0.35% 0.08% 0.17%
Moldovian (n=7) 15.97% 1.59% 40.44% 0.68% 40.04% 0.68% 0.21% 0.39%
Montenegro (n=14) 12.53% 0.75% 50.71% 0.30% 35.43% 0.16% 0.11% 0.01%
Morocco (n=21) 0.12% 0 61.60% 1.62% 15.88% 0.31% 0.04% 20.44%
Berber (n=18) 0 0 51.55% 1.10% 12.32% 0.14% 0.04% 24.01%
North Italian (n=12) 8.23% 0.29% 56.62% 0.15% 34.34% 0.19% 0.13% 0.04%
North Ossetian (n=13) 23.87% 4.79% 60.34% 2.84% 7.96% 0.05% 0.14% 0
Norwegian (n=15) 15.51% 0.98% 35.87% 0.21% 47.04% 0.28% 0.05% 0.06%
Orcadian (n=11) 14.65% 0.68% 38.23% 0.10% 45.87% 0.14% 0.11% 0.21%
Ossetian (n=3) 22.80% 5.74% 62.85% 1.89% 6.71% 0 0 0
Palestinian (n=34) 5.44% 0.75% 77.96% 1.47% 4.78% 0.61% 0.44% 8.55%
Poland (n=22) 16.83% 1.14% 34.08% 0.13% 47.43% 0.12% 0.12% 0.14%
Polish Estonian (n=10) 17.29% 1.35% 32.24% 1.08% 47.58% 0.32% 0.07% 0.09%
Romanian (n=14) 13.10% 0.72% 51.78% 0.92% 32.94% 0.32% 0.17% 0.04%
Russia Kargopol (n=25) 19.31% 0.94% 27.86% 6.53% 44.62% 0.33% 0.16% 0.26%
Russia Kursk (n=4) 18.13% 1.51% 33.32% 0.90% 45.52% 0.37% 0.12% 0.11%
Russia Orel (n=7) 18.49% 1.19% 33.48% 1.25% 45.89% 0.25% 0.03% 0.07%
Russia Smolensk (n=8) 16.86% 1.10% 33.25% 0.66% 47.73% 0.30% 0.02% 0.08%
Russia Voronez (n=4) 17.22% 1.10% 34.10% 0.83% 46.07% 0.26% 0.09% 0.34%
Samaritan (n=1) 4.68% 0.14% 87.50% 1.95% 2.85% 0.47% 0 2.42%
Sardinian (n=24) 0.03% 0 64.69% 0.34% 34.54% 0.12% 0.21% 0.09%
Saudi (n=19) 3.26% 0.54% 85.51% 2.30% 0.60% 0.57% 0.16% 7.07%
SE English (n=36) 13.78% 0.63% 39.83% 0.47% 45.33% 0.27% 0.09% 0.04%
Sephardic (n=21) 7.34% 0.60% 72.46% 0.82% 15.51% 0.44% 0.24% 2.59%
Serb (n=14) 12.79% 0.85% 49.11% 0.40% 36.33% 0.38% 0.05% 0.09%
Bosnian Serb (n=4) 13.13% 1.46% 45.72% 0 39.44% 0.16% 0.09% 0
South Italian (n=18) 8.08% 0.85% 69.32% 0.21% 19.20% 0.25% 0.50% 0.79%
Andalucia (n=4) 6.85% 0.05% 52.69% 0.70% 37.28% 0.30% 0.33% 1.79%
Aragon (n=5) 6.80% 0.06% 51.30% 0.72% 40.23% 0.20% 0.44% 0.24%
Balaerics (n=8) 7.57% 0.12% 53.27% 0.51% 36.76% 0.29% 0.38% 1.09%
Canaries (n=2) 5.02% 0 53.19% 0.94% 34.84% 0.37% 0.19% 5.45%
Cantabria (n=6) 7.30% 0 49.78% 0.34% 40.75% 0.48% 0.30% 1.06%
C. La Mancha (n=4) 6.85% 0.05% 52.17% 0.65% 38.78% 0.12% 0.40% 0.98%
Castilla Y Leon (n=12) 6.84% 0.22% 51.57% 0.77% 38.11% 0.30% 0.28% 1.90%
Catalonia (n=5) 7.73% 0.33% 49.50% 0.38% 40.14% 0.31% 0.27% 1.34%
Extremadura (n=8) 7.38% 0.15% 51.30% 0.29% 37.52% 0.49% 0.51% 2.36%
Galicia (Spain) (n=8) 7.18% 0.19% 50.18% 0.93% 37.67% 0.13% 0.54% 2.19%
Murcia (n=6) 6.13% 0.27% 53.57% 1.23% 35.38% 0.16% 0.32% 2.94%
Spanish Basque (n=8) 6.72% 0 47.37% 0.59% 44.92% 0.16% 0.11% 0.11%
Valenica (n=10) 7.34% 0.15% 50.85% 0.43% 39.91% 0.29% 0.28% 0.76%
SW English (n=31) 13.64% 0.61% 39.96% 0.05% 45.26% 0.26% 0.14% 0.07%
Sweden (n=18) 15.48% 0.96% 34.49% 0.22% 48.43% 0.25% 0.12% 0.05%
Syria (n=15) 9.35% 2.07% 76.30% 1.11% 3.82% 0.34% 0.46% 5.78%
Tabassaran (n=3) 28.05% 5.00% 55.82% 0 10.93% 0 19.00% 0
Tatar (n=19) 19.76% 0.74% 29.02% 17.52% 31.98% 0.53% 0.10% 0.34%
Tunisian (n=11) 0.29% 0 63.99% 1.89% 13.64% 0.30% 0.21% 19.67%
Turkey (n=19) 16.54% 3.21% 66.50% 4.34% 8.52% 0.25% 0.36% 0.28%
Tuscany (n=88) 8.75% 0.32% 60.78% 0.27% 29.25% 0.27% 0.27% 0.09%
Ukraine Belgorod (n=6)17.25% 1.54% 35.48% 0.47% 44.75% 0.29% 0.16% 0.06%
Ukraine Kharkov (n=2) 16.36% 2.08% 35.05% 0.79% 45.30% 0 0.39% 0.08%
Ukraine Lviv (n=6) 15.97% 1.54% 37.75% 0.37% 43.83% 0.32% 0.06% 0.14%
Ukraine Poltava (n=5) 16.38% 1.55% 36.05% 0.64% 44.81% 0.12% 0.16% 0.29%
Utah German (n=11) 14.07% 0.73% 39.38% 0.13% 44.96% 0.26% 0.22% 0.24%
West Scottish (n=4) 15.20% 0.56% 38.04% 0.24% 45.52% 0.08% 0.15% 0.21%
West Sicilian (n=18) 8.09% 0.86% 66.09% 0.31% 22.56% 0.25% 0.35% 1.49%

PS: this took me literally all day.

[Sikeliot]

Italian, Sicilian and Greek comparison.. I put them in order from most to least Near Eastern. Notice that WHG tends to rise when Near East falls. All Sicilian samples are fairly close to one another. It'd have been nice to have Cretans in here.

http://i59.tinypic.com/28qqaz9.jpg

[Longbowman]

Italian, Sicilian and Greek comparison.. I put them in order from most to least Near Eastern. Notice that WHG tends to rise when Near East falls. All Sicilian samples are fairly close to one another. It'd have been nice to have Cretans in here.

http://i59.tinypic.com/28qqaz9.jpg

Yeah I'll knock up some maps tomorrow (ANE, Near East, WHG, maybe EEA, SEA, SSA, Oceanian and Pygmy are negligible for all European populations). As I recall Samaritans are the most Near Eastern, Lithuanians the most WHG, maybe Ket or some Caucasian group the most ANE.

[Longbowman]

Map of ANE in Europe

http://i62.tinypic.com/e66a9j.png

ANE peaks in Dagestan and has no presence in Sardinia or Western North Africa.

Iranian Jewish: 14, Iraqi Jewish: 12, AJ: 8.4, Georgian Jewish: 8.3, SJ: 7.3

[Longbowman]

ANE, colour coded.

http://i57.tinypic.com/23w2vr8.png

[Yuffayur]

Good maps bro, nice job (y) , is the "Berber" Mozabite ?

[Longbowman]

Good maps bro, nice job (y) , is the "Berber" Mozabite ?

Yes. Either way ANE in Berbers is trace to none.

More maps to come.

[Longbowman]

Near East:

http://i62.tinypic.com/ou2nh0.png

Peaks in Samaritans, falls in Kazakhs and Northeasterners.

Iraq Jewish 82.7, Iran Jewish 79.8, Georgian Jewish 78.6, SJ, 72.5, AJ, 68.1.

[Longbowman]

Near East, colour.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2zfqxpt.png

[Longbowman]

WHG:

Peaks in Lithuanians, falls in Saudis.

AJ 18.6, SJ 15.5, Georgian Jewish 3.3, Iranian Jewish 1, Iraqi Jewish 0.8.

http://i58.tinypic.com/9t332t.png

[Leto]

Thanks a lot, a great chart!:thumb001:

[Longbowman]

WHG colour:

http://i61.tinypic.com/4zvlh3.png

[Vasconcelos]

As I've been saying, in Iberia the differences seem to generally be stronger in a West-East direction rather than North-South, eventhough we're all generally very similar.

[Longbowman]

As I've been saying, in Iberia the differences seem to generally be stronger in a West-East direction rather than North-South, eventhough we're all generally very similar.

My new rule is: 50%+ Near East = genetically wog, making all Iberians except Cantabrians, Basques and Catalonians wogs.

[Longbowman]

Main ones done. Might knock up an SSA and EEA map. Possibly even an SEA one.

[Trun]

My new rule is: 50%+ Near East = genetically wog, making all Iberians except Cantabrians, Basques and Catalonians wogs.

For me it is 52,56%+ Near East = genetically wog.

[Vasconcelos]

My new rule is: 50%+ Near East = genetically wog, making all Iberians except Cantabrians, Basques and Catalonians wogs.

Italians will not be pleased.

[Leto]

I didn't know Finns had significantly more East Eurasian genes than Estonians (5.73 vs. 1.68).

[StonyArabia]

ANE is very little in Semitic populations. For example it's nill in Bedouins. However it increases with other groups especially those from the Caucasus. I have quite bit of it myself but this due to my Kavkazian background.

[Graham]

If you have the time, would be interested to see a map of combined ANE & WHG.

[Highlands]

Kosovars seem to be in line with Northern Italians/Tuscans.

[Leto]

Haha, Egypt is officially a Negro nation, according to the one drop rule. ~18% blacks cannot be accepted.:D

Egypt SSA - 17.71%

[Trun]

ANE is very little in Semitic populations. For example it's nill in Bedouins. However it increases with other groups especially those from the Caucasus. I have quite bit of it myself but this due to my Kavkazian background.

Actually North Caucasians score the highest in Western Eurasia.

Why, any idea?

[Vasconcelos]

Haha, Egypt is officially a Negro nation, according to the one drop rule. ~18% blacks cannot be accepted.:D

Well Iberia apparently also has a small bit.

[Yuffayur]

My new rule is: 50%+ Near East = genetically wog, making all Iberians except Cantabrians, Basques and Catalonians wogs.

Welcome to wogistan.

[KawaiiKawaii]

Haha, Egypt is officially a Negro nation, according to the one drop rule. ~18% blacks cannot be accepted.:D


Well Iberia apparently also has a small bit.

Jim Crow does not approve.

[Yuffayur]

Haha, Egypt is officially a Negro nation, according to the one drop rule. ~18% blacks cannot be accepted.:D

Lol Why 18% and not 20%

[Longbowman]

SSA:

http://i62.tinypic.com/wkpefs.png

[Leto]

Well Iberia apparently also has a small bit.
Well, 2% and 20% are two different things. That's why Moroccans, Egyptians and Tunisians are rarely passable even in Southern Europe.

[Longbowman]

Italians will not be pleased.

Southern Europeans (including myself) are highly admixed neolithic farmers. No shame. Founders of civilisation and all that.

[Leto]

Lol Why 18% and not 20%
They have 17.7%, to be exact. Anyway, that was a semi-joke.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Map of ANE in Europe

http://i62.tinypic.com/e66a9j.png

ANE peaks in Dagestan and has no presence in Sardinia or Western North Africa.

Iranian Jewish: 14, Iraqi Jewish: 12, AJ: 8.4, Georgian Jewish: 8.3, SJ: 7.3

ANE is bimodal in the Caucasus and South-Central Asia. The highest frequencies of ANE are as follows, South-Central Asia, Caucasus, Europe and Middle East.

[StonyArabia]

Actually North Caucasians score the highest in Western Eurasia.

Why, any idea?

To be honest I don't know, I think they just got admixed mostly with people of ANE. I am about 15% if I remember correctly, but this probably because I am half. Though most Semites especially those that are of my maternal line have nill.

[Leto]

Possibly even an SEA one.
Yes, that would be good too.

[Gaston]

Good maps. Based on the French samples I manage, ANE is higher in Southeastern France than in the center of the country.




Well, 2% and 20% are two different things. That's why Moroccans, Egyptians and Tunisians are rarely passable even in Southern Europe.

But they can pass in West Asia, even where SSA is 0% and where ANE is in the double digit.


It shows how you can't infer the looks of Old World populations based on admixture.

[Leto]

But they can pass in West Asia, even where SSA is 0% and where ANE is in the double digit.


It shows how you can't infer the looks of Old World populations based on admixture.
Well, you have a point.

[Trun]

Who scores the highest ANE in the world?

[Willem]

Cool maps.

[Longbowman]

SSA coloured. <0.5, green, 0.5-1, yellow, 1-2, light orange, 2-5, dark orange, 5+, red.

http://i62.tinypic.com/kbadzm.png

SJ: 2.6, AJ: 2.1, Iranian Jew, 1.3, Iraqi Jew: 1.1, Georgian Jew: 0.7.

[Longbowman]

Who scores the highest ANE in the world?

Ket, I think. They're not on the map. Tabassarans in Dagestan have the highest ANE on the map, not far behind the Ket.

[Vasconcelos]

Sup with almost 1% SSA in Russia?

[Longbowman]

Sup with almost 1% SSA in Russia?

Dunno but it's constant amongst non-Slavic Russians.

[Not a Cop]

Well Iberia apparently also has a small bit.

Now i would like to know who has bigger percentage - Dombra of EEA, or Cristiano viejo of SSA.


On a serious note i have a question for Longbowman - the population on the border of Russia, Latvia and Estonia is Polish_Estonian?

[Leto]

Sup with almost 1% SSA in Russia?
That should be black students' fault.:)

[Era]

Dunno but it's constant amongst non-Slavic Russians.

If jews it's understandable. Who else have it?

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Near East, colour.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2zfqxpt.png

I'd reverse the color scheme, yellow, orange and red are "hot" colors, whereas light green, green, blue and purple are "cool" colors.

[Longbowman]

Now i would like to know who has bigger percentage - Dombra of EEA, or Cristiano viejo of SSA.


On a serious note i have a question for Longbowman - the population on the border of Russia, Latvia and Estonia is Polish_Estonian?

Yup.

[Longbowman]

If jews it's understandable. Who else have it?

These populations are not Jewish. Jews are enumerated separately.

[Longbowman]

I'd reverse the color scheme, yellow, orange and red are "hot" colors, whereas light green, green, blue and purple are "cool" colors.

I thought of that when I did the SSA map.

[Vasconcelos]

Dunno but it's constant amongst non-Slavic Russians.

It must be really ancient. Poor guys must have frozen to death, no wonder so little of it survived xD

[Era]

These populations are not Jewish. Jews are enumerated separately.

Now that's very hypothetical, given the quantity of jews in Russia you can't completely exclude the chances of admixture with ethnic Russians.

[Harkonnen]

I didn't know Finns had significantly more East Eurasian genes than Estonians (5.73 vs. 1.68).

You would see much higher East Eurasian, as well as well as WHG and ANE scores, if we would be able to see the whole Finnish variation. Like I mentioned in the other thread this result is based on only 3 samples, which paints a statistically incorrect picture of Finnish reality. Srkz from Vadims' blog actually, because of the statiscall inaccuracy left Finland out if his IBD sharing maps, because of the small sample size. Ofc also the IBD method might emphatize the importance of sample size .

http://verenich.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D 0%B5-%D0%B4%D0%B2%D1%83%D1%85-%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%85-%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%86%D 0%B5%D0%B2-%D0%B8-%D0%BE/

I think it would have been the better decision here also, as there is already enough false information circulating around the net. And often simple people look much on these simple admix maps, without understanding much what is behind the result.

Of course we are not talking here about large inaccuracy.

[Vasconcelos]

Now that's very hypothetical, given the quantity of jews in Russia you can't completely exclude the chances of admixture with ethnic Russians.

No, that would make some people score "very high" values while others would score none. Recent admixture creates a much greater variation within a population than ancient admix. As said, it apparently is present in non-Slavic Russians, thus totally unrelated to Jewish population...not to mention you'd need a monstruous amount of Jews to make it relevant in a place as big as Russia.

[Casandrinos]

SSA coloured. <0.5, green, 0.5-1, yellow, 1-2, light orange, 2-5, dark orange, 5+, red.

http://i62.tinypic.com/kbadzm.png

SJ: 2.6, AJ: 2.1, Iranian Jew, 1.3, Iraqi Jew: 1.1, Georgian Jew: 0.7.

lol Sicilia 2% SSA

Morrocisized Greeks xD

[Era]

No, that would make some people score "very high" values while others would score none. Recent admixture creates a much greater variation within a population than ancient admix. As said, it apparently is present in non-Slavic Russians, thus totally unrelated to Jewish population...not to mention you'd need a monstruous amount of Jews to make it relevant in a place as big as Russia.

What are these non Slavic non jewish Russians that have it?
I'm talking about ancient admixtures of course.

[Casandrinos]

What's up with these central_greek samples? They are closer to Greek than Greek_Thessaly.

mixed results from Athens probably

[Casandrinos]

Hellander sabotaging southern mainland samples to ensure that vlachia seccedes.

Or this xD

[Faklon]

What's up with these central_greek samples? They are closer to Greek than Greek_Thessaly.

They appear quite diverse here.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQV1VNT2dzSUl0RDQ/edit


mixed results from Athens probably

May even be Euboeans/Islanders that draw it differently.2/5 of the population lives there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Greece_%28region%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euboea_%28regional_unit%29

Or who knows.

[Casandrinos]

They appear quite diverse here.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQV1VNT2dzSUl0RDQ/edit



May even be Euboeans/Islanders that draw it differently.2/5 of the population lives there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Greece_%28region%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euboea_%28regional_unit%29

Or who knows.

Sakis chicks de-vlachisizing mainland samples? xD

[Longbowman]

Sorry, Dad took me shopping for dress shirts.

SEA:

http://i62.tinypic.com/qz3dqv.png

[Longbowman]

Now that's very hypothetical, given the quantity of jews in Russia you can't completely exclude the chances of admixture with ethnic Russians.

No, wrong. They're specifically excluded Chloe. These populations are ethnic Mari, Erzya, Tatar, etc. SSA in Europe =/= Jews.

[Era]

No, wrong. They're specifically excluded Chloe. These populations are ethnic Mari, Erzya, Tatar, etc. SSA in Europe =/= Jews.

So they have west Asian admixtures?

[Longbowman]

So they have west Asian admixtures?

Yes.

[Longbowman]

SEA, coloured. <0.5, purple, 0.5-1, dark blue, 1-2, light blue, 2-3, yellow, 3-4, orange, 4-5, red, 5+ maroon.

Iranian Jews 3.4, Georgian Jews 3.1, Iraqi Jews 2.8, AJs 0.9, SJs 0.6

http://i62.tinypic.com/1z6fjpw.png

[Trun]

maroon 5

Fixed.

[Longbowman]

EEA:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2rp47jb.png

AJ: 1.4, SJ: 0.8, Iranian Jewish 0.1, Iraqi Jewish 0, Georgian Jewish 0.

[Longbowman]

EEA colour. Purple <1. yellow 1-2, light orange 2-3, dark orange 3-4, and red 4-60.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2drxnvm.png

[Smeagol]

Dunno but it's constant amongst non-Slavic Russians.

What's a "non-Slavic Russian"? Who are you talking about, Finno-Ugric people or something?

Edit: Nevermind, I saw who you were talking about, must be noise.

[Equilibrium]

Nice work Longbowman! Just wanted to inform you that there is a mistake in your averages spreadsheet. A user on ABF noticed that you have Tabassaran at 19% pygmy when it should be 0%.

[Leto]

What's a "non-Slavic Russian"? Who are you talking about, Finno-Ugric people or something?

Russia is a multiethnic country. Not everyone here is a Slav.

[Longbowman]

What's a "non-Slavic Russian"? Who are you talking about, Finno-Ugric people or something?

Edit: Nevermind, I saw who you were talking about, must be noise.

Them and others.

[Longbowman]

Nice work Longbowman! Just wanted to inform you that there is a mistake in your averages spreadsheet. A user on ABF noticed that you have Tabassaran at 19% pygmy when it should be 0%.

Ah it must be 0.19%. At the end my computer started screwing up and changing all my 0.xx% into xx.00%s. I thought I'd changed them all back. Will edit, thanks. Cool that it's being used on ABF.

[Longbowman]

Nice work Longbowman! Just wanted to inform you that there is a mistake in your averages spreadsheet. A user on ABF noticed that you have Tabassaran at 19% pygmy when it should be 0%.

Fixed now. It was the error I said it was. Thanks for the heads up :)

[Smeagol]

Russia is a multiethnic country. Not everyone here is a Slav.

Ethnic Russians are Slavs.. I wouldn't call a Tatar living in Russia Russian. Now on topic, what does SEA stand for?

[Longbowman]

Ethnic Russians are Slavs.. I wouldn't call a Tatar living in Russia Russian. Now on topic, what does SEA stand for?

Southeast Asian. Regardless, I meant natives to the country of Russia who are not ethnic Russians (Mordvins, etc).

[Leto]

Ethnic Russians are Slavs.. I wouldn't call a Tatar living in Russia Russian.
Captain Obvious to the rescue!;) Tatars are native to some parts of today's Russia, though I don't have much in common with them and the likes of them. Only the citizenship.

[Trun]

Sakis chicks de-vlachisizing mainland samples? xD

Quite probable.

In other words Faklonids + Sakis chickoids = Ultimate Greekness.

[Casandrinos]

Quite probable.

In other words Faklonids + Sakis chickoids = Ultimate Greekness.

Would add Casandrinoids too since very Balkanic looking types were always present in the Greek nation :P

[Trun]

Would add Casandrinoids too since very Balkanic looking types were always present in the Greek nation :P

You look more Scandinavian with some Yugi influence (three black hairs).

[Black Wolf]

Sup with almost 1% SSA in Russia?

It is noise (not real). Anything under 2.5% is probably noise.

[Longbowman]

It is noise (not real). Anything under 2.5% is probably noise.

2.5? No, way too high.

[Black Wolf]

2.5? No, way too high.

I am being ultra conservative.

[Longbowman]

I am being ultra conservative.

So conservative as to almost be wrong.

[Black Wolf]

So conservative as to almost be wrong.

David himself once told me that percentages up to 2.5% can be noise. That was for a test/calculator though. I am not sure what the noise threshold on this one is. It is probably pretty low.

[Longbowman]

David himself once told me that percentages up to 2.5% can be noise. That was for a test/calculator though. I am not sure what the noise threshold on this one is. It is probably pretty low.

It's definitely not 2.5. Besides clear trends can be shown, especially with integers, as per the maps. I'd say somewhere below 1 is the cutoff.

[Damião de Góis]

Nice stats and map, but i think you got the location of Murcia a bit off.

[Black Wolf]

It's definitely not 2.5. Besides clear trends can be shown, especially with integers, as per the maps. I'd say somewhere below 1 is the cutoff.

Could be.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

West Eurasia K8

ANE 13.72%
SEA 2.83%
Near Eastern 80.25%
East Eurasian 0
WHG 2.29%
Oceanian 0.40%
Pygmy 0.15%
SSA 0.36%

Plots

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/3048/uJkPEV.png

http://imageshack.com/a/img537/3928/J2L8JG.png

[Longbowman]

Nice stats and map, but i think you got the location of Murcia a bit off.

Did I? Perhaps due to fitting in the numbers. Which map?

[Damião de Góis]

Did I? Perhaps due to fitting in the numbers. Which map?

EEA:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?154160-Selected-population-averages-for-K8&p=3277560&viewfull=1#post3277560

I thought that was Andalucia first time i saw it, but then i noticed Andalucia should be the one with 0,7%. In that case the yellow should have a much smaller area since Murcia is on the southeast coast.

[Longbowman]

EEA:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?154160-Selected-population-averages-for-K8&p=3277560&viewfull=1#post3277560

I thought that was Andalucia first time i saw it, but then i noticed Andalucia should be the one with 0,7%. In that case the yellow should have a much smaller area since Murcia is on the southeast coast.

True. This was my last map of 12. I got a bit lazy.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Dendrogram

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2wf77o2.jpg

[Sikeliot]

^ Ashkenazis, South Italians, and all the Sicilians form one small branch, and then the Greeks form another with Abruzzo.. EXCEPT Thessaly which goes the direction of Kosovo.

[Faklon]

Quite probable.

In other words Faklonids + Sakis chickoids = Ultimate Greekness.

I'm part islander myself and from more distant regions.Sakis chickoids are more autochonous.
Story of my father if anything.

[Styrian Mujo]

Longbowman's maps confirm my belief that Romanians are Woggier than Yugoslavs.

[Longbowman]

Longbowman's maps confirm my belief that Romanians are Woggier than Yugoslavs.

On the Near East map everywhere in green and purple is officially more wog than everything else combined.

What interests me is the stark difference between Romania and Moldova.

[Styrian Mujo]

On the Near East map everywhere in green and purple is officially more wog than everything else combined.

What interests me is the stark difference between Romania and Moldova.
Is the southern Russian region accurate in these maps? I thought southern Russians had more WHG?

[Longbowman]

Is the southern Russian region accurate in these maps? I thought southern Russians had more WHG?

That's all Caucasian results. Native Caucasians only have limited WHG.

[Black Wolf]

My new rule is: 50%+ Near East = genetically wog, making all Iberians except Cantabrians, Basques and Catalonians wogs.

My rule is kind of similar to this. Someone is basically an early Neolithic farmer if their Near_Eastern percentage is larger than their WHG+ANE percentage.

[Vasconcelos]

I don't have any rule regarding that, I don't live in the past.

[Black Wolf]

I don't have any rule regarding that, I don't live in the past.

Well it is not like these rules are set in stone or anything lol. Each to their own.

[Vasconcelos]

For me it's completely irrelevant if a person has more WHG, ENF or whatever, what really matters is (besides their personality) their recent ancestry and what culture they identify themselves as.

[Black Wolf]

For me it's completely irrelevant if a person has more WHG, ENF or whatever, what really matters is (besides their personality) their recent ancestry and what culture they identify themselves as.

That is fine. Each to their own.

[Longbowman]

If you have the time, would be interested to see a map of combined ANE & WHG.

Just for you, Graham. The red line I added in. I call it the 'Barbarian Meridional.' North of it, barbarians. To the south, civilisation. The terminology is in no way impacted by my 'Barbarian' score of 29.5.

http://i59.tinypic.com/n562d3.png

[Gaston]

Remember this is still the beginning. The relation of ANE and WHG is probably going to be complex (it already is), Basal Eurasian has yet to be confirmed (I personally think there will be several levels of "basalness"). And this is all that is waiting for Eurasia, let alone Africa which is a big unknown to this day.

[Not a Cop]

Just for you, Graham. The red line I added in. I call it the 'Barbarian Meridional.' North of it, barbarians. To the south, civilisation. The terminology is in no way impacted by my 'Barbarian' score of 29.5.

http://i59.tinypic.com/n562d3.png

Kinda remided me of that map:

http://s020.radikal.ru/i711/1501/92/babfd62072fc.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[Graham]

I only asked, because I knew we'd see a good North/South Divide, just through raw numbers. But the map has even more than expected.

The other I was wondering about, would be to add the African scores. Pygmy & sub Saharan

[Black Wolf]

Just for you, Graham. The red line I added in. I call it the 'Barbarian Meridional.' North of it, barbarians. To the south, civilisation. The terminology is in no way impacted by my 'Barbarian' score of 29.5.

http://i59.tinypic.com/n562d3.png

Well my WHG+ANE=54.1% so hot damn I am in among the barbs. :P

[Danishmend]

ANE SEA Near_East EEA WHG Oceanian Pygmy Sub-Saharan
Abkhazia (n=21) 22.13% 4.19% 70.66% 0 2.96% 0 0.06% 0
Adyghei (n=14) 23.81% 4.38% 61.60% 1.23% 8.76% 0.16% 0.08% 0.01%
Armenia (n=27) 15.48% 2.81% 77.75% 0 3.61% 0.06% 0.26% 0.03%
Ashkenazi (n=19) 8.44% 0.85% 68.10% 1.37% 18.55% 0.40% 0.21% 2.07%
Assyrian (n=1) 13.72% 2.83% 80.25% 0 2.29% 0.40% 0.15% 0.36%
Azeri (n=16) 18.50% 4.97% 67.61% 3.53% 3.96% 0.23% 0.49% 0.71%
Balkar (n=20) 23.45% 5.07% 59.92% 2.75% 8.52% 0.06% 0.19% 0
French Basque (n=12) 5.96% 0.06% 47.38% 0.35% 45.79% 0.18% 0.16% 0.10%
Bedouin (n=40) 2.94% 0.23% 81.63% 1.91% 2.16% 0.53% 0.17% 10.42%
Belarussian (n=15) 16.90% 1.21% 33.37% 0.36% 47.63% 0.24% 0.11% 0.18%
Bosnian (n=15) 14.09% 1.57% 45.88% 0.19% 37.84% 0.29% 0.11% 0.04%
Bulgarian (n=31) 12.72% 1.22% 52.55% 0.63% 32.43% 0.27% 0.13% 0.05%
Central Greek (n=10) 10.55% 1.02% 63.32% 0.19% 24.42% 0.31% 0.12% 0.07%
Central Sicilian (n=2) 7.52% 0.62% 67.54% 0.42% 21.14% 0.29% 0.38% 2.07%
Chechen (n=19) 25.94% 4.59% 59.43% 0.02% 9.95% 0.03% 0.04% 0
Chuvash (n=18) 21.61% 0.12% 23.28% 20.35% 33.71% 0.38% 0.07% 0.48%
Croatia (n=24) 13.73% 0.98% 44.84% 0.09% 39.93% 0.30% 0.10% 0.03%
Cyprus (n=11) 7.95% 0.77% 78.02% 0.36% 11.37% 0.41% 0.32% 0.78%
Druze (n=23) 8.49% 1.75% 80.02% 0.46% 5.91% 0.50% 0.32% 2.53%
East Sicilian (n=10) 7.72% 0.93% 67.01% 0.53% 21.52% 0.37% 0.27% 1.64%
Egypt (n=11) 2.34% 0.27% 73.17% 1.55% 3.94% 0.53% 0.46% 17.71%
Erzya (n=9) 20.11% 1.55% 28.82% 6.05% 43.05% 0.13% 0.11% 0.17%
Estonia (n=15) 18.25% 1.52% 27.12% 1.68% 50.81% 0.35% 0.04% 0.23%
Finland (n=3) 17.38% 0.58% 26.57% 5.73% 48.72% 0.82% 0.07% 0.12%
French (n=30) 11.48% 0.36% 45.65% 0.31% 41.66% 0.21% 0.19% 0.13%
Georgian (n=5) 20.76% 2.97% 74.77% 0 1.32% 0.08% 0.09% 0
Georgian Jewish (n=3) 8.29% 3.09% 78.58% 0 3.35% 0.32% 0.14% 0.71%
Georgian Laz (n=5) 17.80% 2.86% 75.80% 0 3.34% 0 0 0
Greek (n=17) 9.89% 0.50% 63.31% 0.33% 25.43% 0.37% 0.13% 0.03%
Greek Thessaly (n=10) 10.76% 0.96% 59.60% 0.27% 28.04% 0.25% 0.11% 0.06%
Hungary (n=18) 14.29% 0.85% 42.73% 0.63% 41.09% 0.16% 0.08% 0.17%
Iran (n=17) 19.61% 5.98% 68.82% 0.30% 1.80% 0.43% 0.63% 2.43%
Iranian Jewish (n=12) 14.01% 3.37% 79.77% 0.08% 1.02% 0.24% 0.20% 1.30%
Iraqi Jewish (n=13) 12.04% 2.79% 82.72% 0 0.75% 0.44% 0.11% 1.14%
Abruzzo (n=11) 9.29% 0.41% 65.24% 0.40% 23.66% 0.46% 0.25% 0.28%
Jordan (n=19) 6.56% 1.30% 76.82% 1.68% 4.73% 0.53% 0.31% 8.08%
Kabardin (n=3) 23.03% 4.32% 59.08% 3.22% 10.18% 0 0.17% 0
Kazakh (n=17) 17.24% 0.18% 17.09% 54.45% 9.15% 1.33% 0.09% 0.47%
Ket (n=4) 28.24% 0 0.71% 56.98% 13.03% 0.70% 0 0.34%
Kosovar (n=9) 10.89% 0.96% 57.82% 0.06% 30.07% 0.12% 0.09% 0
Kumyk (n=16) 23.55% 4.86% 58.70% 2.88% 9.57% 0.17% 0.21% 0.05%
Kurd (n=6) 19.31% 4.83% 71.74% 0 3.13% 0.28% 0.04% 0.29%
Lebanese C (n=25) 7.14% 0.89% 83.15% 0.67% 5.54% 0.50% 0.26% 1.86%
Lebanese M (n=25) 9.82% 1.72% 76.62% 0.66% 6.18% 0.56% 0.42% 4.02%
Lezgin (n=21) 27.53% 4.58% 58.34% 0 9.46% 0 0.03% 0.06%
Lithuania (n=10) 18.10% 1.03% 28.27% 0.01% 52.10% 0.32% 0.06% 0.11%
Macedonian (n=14) 12.33% 0.96% 52.44% 0.14% 33.85% 0.18% 0.08% 0.01%
Mari (n=15) 23.04% 0 18.09% 25.44% 32.19% 0.47% 0 0.76%
Moksha (n=5) 19.26% 1.54% 30.51% 5.17% 42.92% 0.35% 0.08% 0.17%
Moldovian (n=7) 15.97% 1.59% 40.44% 0.68% 40.04% 0.68% 0.21% 0.39%
Montenegro (n=14) 12.53% 0.75% 50.71% 0.30% 35.43% 0.16% 0.11% 0.01%
Morocco (n=21) 0.12% 0 61.60% 1.62% 15.88% 0.31% 0.04% 20.44%
Berber (n=18) 0 0 51.55% 1.10% 12.32% 0.14% 0.04% 24.01%
North Italian (n=12) 8.23% 0.29% 56.62% 0.15% 34.34% 0.19% 0.13% 0.04%
North Ossetian (n=13) 23.87% 4.79% 60.34% 2.84% 7.96% 0.05% 0.14% 0
Norwegian (n=15) 15.51% 0.98% 35.87% 0.21% 47.04% 0.28% 0.05% 0.06%
Orcadian (n=11) 14.65% 0.68% 38.23% 0.10% 45.87% 0.14% 0.11% 0.21%
Ossetian (n=3) 22.80% 5.74% 62.85% 1.89% 6.71% 0 0 0
Palestinian (n=34) 5.44% 0.75% 77.96% 1.47% 4.78% 0.61% 0.44% 8.55%
Poland (n=22) 16.83% 1.14% 34.08% 0.13% 47.43% 0.12% 0.12% 0.14%
Polish Estonian (n=10) 17.29% 1.35% 32.24% 1.08% 47.58% 0.32% 0.07% 0.09%
Romanian (n=14) 13.10% 0.72% 51.78% 0.92% 32.94% 0.32% 0.17% 0.04%
Russia Kargopol (n=25) 19.31% 0.94% 27.86% 6.53% 44.62% 0.33% 0.16% 0.26%
Russia Kursk (n=4) 18.13% 1.51% 33.32% 0.90% 45.52% 0.37% 0.12% 0.11%
Russia Orel (n=7) 18.49% 1.19% 33.48% 1.25% 45.89% 0.25% 0.03% 0.07%
Russia Smolensk (n=8) 16.86% 1.10% 33.25% 0.66% 47.73% 0.30% 0.02% 0.08%
Russia Voronez (n=4) 17.22% 1.10% 34.10% 0.83% 46.07% 0.26% 0.09% 0.34%
Samaritan (n=1) 4.68% 0.14% 87.50% 1.95% 2.85% 0.47% 0 2.42%
Sardinian (n=24) 0.03% 0 64.69% 0.34% 34.54% 0.12% 0.21% 0.09%
Saudi (n=19) 3.26% 0.54% 85.51% 2.30% 0.60% 0.57% 0.16% 7.07%
SE English (n=36) 13.78% 0.63% 39.83% 0.47% 45.33% 0.27% 0.09% 0.04%
Sephardic (n=21) 7.34% 0.60% 72.46% 0.82% 15.51% 0.44% 0.24% 2.59%
Serb (n=14) 12.79% 0.85% 49.11% 0.40% 36.33% 0.38% 0.05% 0.09%
Bosnian Serb (n=4) 13.13% 1.46% 45.72% 0 39.44% 0.16% 0.09% 0
South Italian (n=18) 8.08% 0.85% 69.32% 0.21% 19.20% 0.25% 0.50% 0.79%
Andalucia (n=4) 6.85% 0.05% 52.69% 0.70% 37.28% 0.30% 0.33% 1.79%
Aragon (n=5) 6.80% 0.06% 51.30% 0.72% 40.23% 0.20% 0.44% 0.24%
Balaerics (n=8) 7.57% 0.12% 53.27% 0.51% 36.76% 0.29% 0.38% 1.09%
Canaries (n=2) 5.02% 0 53.19% 0.94% 34.84% 0.37% 0.19% 5.45%
Cantabria (n=6) 7.30% 0 49.78% 0.34% 40.75% 0.48% 0.30% 1.06%
C. La Mancha (n=4) 6.85% 0.05% 52.17% 0.65% 38.78% 0.12% 0.40% 0.98%
Castilla Y Leon (n=12) 6.84% 0.22% 51.57% 0.77% 38.11% 0.30% 0.28% 1.90%
Catalonia (n=5) 7.73% 0.33% 49.50% 0.38% 40.14% 0.31% 0.27% 1.34%
Extremadura (n=8) 7.38% 0.15% 51.30% 0.29% 37.52% 0.49% 0.51% 2.36%
Galicia (Spain) (n=8) 7.18% 0.19% 50.18% 0.93% 37.67% 0.13% 0.54% 2.19%
Murcia (n=6) 6.13% 0.27% 53.57% 1.23% 35.38% 0.16% 0.32% 2.94%
Spanish Basque (n=8) 6.72% 0 47.37% 0.59% 44.92% 0.16% 0.11% 0.11%
Valenica (n=10) 7.34% 0.15% 50.85% 0.43% 39.91% 0.29% 0.28% 0.76%
SW English (n=31) 13.64% 0.61% 39.96% 0.05% 45.26% 0.26% 0.14% 0.07%
Sweden (n=18) 15.48% 0.96% 34.49% 0.22% 48.43% 0.25% 0.12% 0.05%
Syria (n=15) 9.35% 2.07% 76.30% 1.11% 3.82% 0.34% 0.46% 5.78%
Tabassaran (n=3) 28.05% 5.00% 55.82% 0 10.93% 0 19.00% 0
Tatar (n=19) 19.76% 0.74% 29.02% 17.52% 31.98% 0.53% 0.10% 0.34%
Tunisian (n=11) 0.29% 0 63.99% 1.89% 13.64% 0.30% 0.21% 19.67%
Turkey (n=19) 16.54% 3.21% 66.50% 4.34% 8.52% 0.25% 0.36% 0.28%
Tuscany (n=88) 8.75% 0.32% 60.78% 0.27% 29.25% 0.27% 0.27% 0.09%
Ukraine Belgorod (n=6)17.25% 1.54% 35.48% 0.47% 44.75% 0.29% 0.16% 0.06%
Ukraine Kharkov (n=2) 16.36% 2.08% 35.05% 0.79% 45.30% 0 0.39% 0.08%
Ukraine Lviv (n=6) 15.97% 1.54% 37.75% 0.37% 43.83% 0.32% 0.06% 0.14%
Ukraine Poltava (n=5) 16.38% 1.55% 36.05% 0.64% 44.81% 0.12% 0.16% 0.29%
Utah German (n=11) 14.07% 0.73% 39.38% 0.13% 44.96% 0.26% 0.22% 0.24%
West Scottish (n=4) 15.20% 0.56% 38.04% 0.24% 45.52% 0.08% 0.15% 0.21%
West Sicilian (n=18) 8.09% 0.86% 66.09% 0.31% 22.56% 0.25% 0.35% 1.49%

PS: this took me literally all day.


Where did you get these population averages? Here is Davidski's spreadsheet with individual results.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit?pli=1#gid=74932529

Turkish average, based on 19 TR samples

ANE 16.48
South_Eurasian 3.14
Near_Eastern 65,76
East_Eurasian 4,28
WHG 9,51
Oceanian 0.23
Pygmy 0,33
Sub-Saharan 0,23


(Not that different from yours though)

[Longbowman]

I only asked, because I knew we'd see a good North/South Divide, just through raw numbers. But the map has even more than expected.

The other I was wondering about, would be to add the African scores. Pygmy & sub Saharan

I'll check but I doubt it'd be significantly different from just SSA considering the scores.


Well my WHG+ANE=54.1% so hot damn I am in among the barbs. :P

Inferiority stronk.

[Longbowman]

Where did you get these averages?

Here is Turkish average, based on 19 TR samples https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit?pli=1#gid=74932529
ANE 16.48
South_Eurasian 3.14
Near_Eastern 65,76
East_Eurasian 4,28
WHG 9,51
Oceanian 0.23
Pygmy 0,33
Sub-Saharan 0,23


(Not that different from yours though)

Same spreadsheet. You've made calculation errors.

[Longbowman]

Anything beyond 30 or 25 is filthy easterner scum so put another line there.

Inferiority complex stronk.

[Longbowman]

Ancient greeks were nordic.

Until they were slaughtered by EEFs, ENFs and the IEs that actually founded Greece and form 70-80% of your ancestry, sure.

[Sikeliot]

Calabria is supposedly the most Greek region of Italy, yet their scores are further away from those of Greeks. Interesting. They probably line up only with the Dodecanese.

[Longbowman]

Yes but I am paleolithic survivor.

You just look like one (to your mind). Genetically you're majorly not mesolithic. Besides Greek as a concept didn't exist in the Mesolithic.

[Sikeliot]

What we see is that southern Italians are heavily Neolithic farmers. Something we should be proud of.

[Graham]

You just look like one (to your mind). Genetically you're majorly not mesolithic. Besides Greek as a concept didn't exist in the Mesolithic.

Greeks should be laughing at the unsophisticated spear throwing Northerners. The hunter gatherers didn't have bidets either.

[Longbowman]

Greeks should be laughing at the unsophisticated spear throwing Northerners. The hunter gatherers didn't have bidets either.

Northerners probably had bows too.

[Longbowman]

At least we know that ANE, EEF and WHG were superior to SEA and SSA.

Do we? They all had descendants. How does one rank superiority?

[wvwvw]

Near East:

http://i62.tinypic.com/ou2nh0.png

Peaks in Samaritans, falls in Kazakhs and Northeasterners.

Iraq Jewish 82.7, Iran Jewish 79.8, Georgian Jewish 78.6, SJ, 72.5, AJ, 68.1.

You know something's fishy when S.Italians are scoring more Near Eastern than Turks and Cypriots more than Syrians and the Lebanese

[Graham]

Northerners probably had bows too.

Aye aye, ye know what a mean. Smart Arse. :p

[Longbowman]

WHG chucked spears.

EEF grew tomatoes.

ANE rode horses.

SSA just ate each other.

Dubious, discuss.

[Longbowman]

You know something's fishy when S.Italians are scoring more Near Eastern than Turks and Cypriots more than Syrians and the Lebanese

Not at all. More preserved populations.

[Longbowman]

SSA detected.

1.7%. Results are on the other thread.

[Danishmend]

Same spreadsheet. You've made calculation errors.

I use MS excel.


This one also gave the same result
http://www.free-online-calculator-use.com/average-calculator.html


ANE average for example:

0.146647 + 0.181573 + 0.159056 + 0.14925 + 0.162864 + 0.204348 + 0.141774 + 0.148396 + 0.144277 + 0.172715 + 0.162101 + 0.182611 + 0.145219 + 0.152981 + 0.234662 + 0.168552 + 0.154809 + 0.157893 + 0.163367 = 3.133095

3.133095 / 19 = 0.16489973684

But nevermind, not a big deal. :p

[Black Wolf]

Yes but I am paleolithic survivor.

Not so much genetically.

[Longbowman]

I use MS excel.


This one also gave the same result
http://www.free-online-calculator-use.com/average-calculator.html


ANE average for example:

0.146647 + 0.181573 + 0.159056 + 0.14925 + 0.162864 + 0.204348 + 0.141774 + 0.148396 + 0.144277 + 0.172715 + 0.162101 + 0.182611 + 0.145219 + 0.152981 + 0.234662 + 0.168552 + 0.154809 + 0.157893 + 0.163367 = 3.133095

3.133095 / 19 = 0.16489973684

But nevermind, not a big deal. :p

I also use MS excel, just put in a column and put =sum(a1:b1) or whatever. I mean, they really can't be wrong. I even redid them when you made your post just to check, but it's a calculator, there's not much room for error.

[Black Wolf]

Well ANE is linked with the Caucasus & shows little in the ancient Mesolithic or Neolithic. My understanding is that ANE is a crossover of the two.

No ANE is not Neolithic at all. That is it was not part of the original early Neolithic population of the Near East. ANE people adopted farming from Near_Eastern groups initially.Also it is very likely that it was present in high percentages among East European Mesolithic groups. Ancient DNA will tell us soon.

[Graham]

No ANE is not Neolithic at all. That is it was not part of the original early Neolithic population of the Near East. ANE people adopted farming from Near_Eastern groups initially.Also it is very likely that it was present in high percentages among East European Mesolithic groups. Ancient DNA will tell us soon.

Yeah I know now.. Form other thread.

[Black Wolf]

I hunt with buckshot (as my grandfather was arrested for bow hunting), eat meat with my hands and can drink huge amounts of milk without suffering from mild dysentry. I also look like la brana but without the wog skin and more CM.

I survived the neolithic. Now to survive the Kali Yuga.

Neolithic peoples also hunted. Lactase persistence did not come about until well after the Neolithic. BTW I also love to hunt! :D

[Longbowman]

Neolithic peoples also hunted. Lactase persistence did not come about until well after the Neolithic. BTW I also love to hunt! :D

Indeed, we only got lactose tolerance when we needed it; ie, when we began to farm and have livestock from which to obtain milk.

[Black Wolf]

Indeed, we only got lactose tolerance when we needed it; ie, when we began to farm and have livestock from which to obtain milk.

Correct...Most Southern Europeans also do not have the same genes for Lactase Persitence that Northern Europeans do either.

[Gaston]

WHG chucked spears.

EEF grew tomatoes.

ANE rode horses.

SSA just ate each other.

Actually, "SSA" have managed to conquer all of Subsaharan Africa at the expense of paleo-African hunter-gatherers like Khoisans and pygmies. If we talk specifically about West African SSAs, they were pretty good farmers and iron smelters (maybe even an independent innovation for the latter vis-a-vis the eurasian ones).

[Ibericus]

No ANE is not Neolithic at all. That is it was not part of the original early Neolithic population of the Near East. ANE people adopted farming from Near_Eastern groups initially.Also it is very likely that it was present in high percentages among East European Mesolithic groups. Ancient DNA will tell us soon.
At least in Western Europe, ANE is recent. Neither WHG (like Loshcbour) nor EEF's had it.

[Black Wolf]

At least in Western Europe, ANE is recent. Neither WHG (like Loshcbour) nor EEF's had it.

Yup...It probably came to Western Europe mainly with Indo-Europeans.

[Gaston]

Still Work In Progress (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/09/congo.jamesastill)

Sad but still part of the "superiority" of neo-Africans over paleo-Africans. Besides, I'm sure Ancient Eurasians were as savage as this at times when conquering new lands.

[Black Wolf]

Sad but still part of the "superiority" of neo-Africans over paleo-Africans. Besides, I'm sure Ancient Eurasians were as savage as this at times when conquering new lands.

There is some evidence out there that suggests that some Neolithic farming Europeans ate some of the Mesolithic hunter-gatherers they encountered.

[Longbowman]

So SSA are the ultimate shock troops of the 4.

Perhaps it was divine intervention that spear chukers, farmers&iron workers and horse riders mongrelised with each other to combat the SSA.

Real life isn't a Middle Earth novel. You talk such nonsense sometimes.

[wvwvw]

Dendrogram

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2wf77o2.jpg

Does this diagram shows that Cypriots are more similar to Sepherdis and..Egyptians rather than to Lebanese or am I interpreting it wrong?

[Longbowman]

There is some evidence out there that suggests that some Neolithic farming Europeans ate some of the Mesolithic hunter-gatherers they encountered.

Yeah, I'm feeling a little peckish now actually.

[Black Wolf]

Yeah, I'm feeling a little peckish now actually.

Uh oh! Is anyone with 50%+ WHG+ANE on your menu?

[Longbowman]

Uh oh! Is anyone with 50%+ WHG+ANE on your menu?

Due to the carnal lust of my weak-willed Neolithic forebears, I'm 30% barbarian subhuman myself. It wouldn't feel right.

[Black Wolf]

Due to the carnal lust of my weak-willed Neolithic forebears, I'm 30% barbarian subhuman myself. It wouldn't feel right.

Phew...

[Voskos]

Does this diagram shows that Cypriots are more similar to Sepherdis and..Egyptians rather than to Lebanese or am I interpreting it wrong?

Yes, that's what it says.

[Equilibrium]

Where did you get these population averages? Here is Davidski's spreadsheet with individual results.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit?pli=1#gid=74932529

Turkish average, based on 19 TR samples

ANE 16.48
South_Eurasian 3.14
Near_Eastern 65,76
East_Eurasian 4,28
WHG 9,51
Oceanian 0.23
Pygmy 0,33
Sub-Saharan 0,23


(Not that different from yours though)

The difference stems from the fact there are two K8 versions. A "full" version and a version with low-bound Near-Eastern estimates. The differences aren't really big as you noticed. The results that Longbowman used to calculate his averages are from the full version, while the results you used are from the low-bound version. Both versions are included in the original spreadsheet from eurogenes.

[Longbowman]

The difference stems from the fact there are two K8 versions. A "full" version and a version with low-bound Near-Eastern estimates. The differences aren't really big as you noticed. The results that Longbowman used to calculate his averages are from the full version, while the results you used are from the low-bound version. Both versions are included in the original spreadsheet from eurogenes.

I thought so but he linked me the regular sheet, not the second one.

[Stimpy]

WHG colour:

http://i61.tinypic.com/4zvlh3.png

I'm seriously starting to believe some nordicists are right concering higher amounts of blond hair and blue eyes = indigenous European/WHG.

In modern times it correlates almost exactly, especially if you count in having lower amounts of red hair in combination with high amounts of blond hair.
Balts and Finns have the highest very closely followed by Scandinavians.

Correlation doesn't have to be the same as causation, but still, it almost seems so.

[Vasconcelos]

I'm seriously starting to believe some nordicists are right concering higher amounts of blond hair and blue eyes = indigenous European/WHG.

In modern times it correlates almost exactly, especially if you count in having lower amounts of red hair in combination with high amounts of blond hair.
Balts and Finns have the highest very closely followed by Scandinavians.

Correlation doesn't have to be the same as causation, but still, it almost seems so.

La Braña man (WHG) did have blue eyes, but he had dark skin and hair.

[Stimpy]

La Braña man (WHG) did have blue eyes, but he had dark skin and hair.

Actually I don't think La Brana had that dark skin. The claims he did are based on a SNP (rs1426654) which only weights ~15% on skin coloration.

He almost certainly had blue eyes in combination with dark hair though as that's more regulated by simpler genetics.

[Alessio]

lol Sicilia 2% SSA

Morrocisized Greeks xD

For that reason ( around 2% SSA ) alone I'd rather be southern Italian :p

[Ulla]

For that reason ( around 2% SSA ) alone I'd rather be southern Italian :p

Sicilian or Iberian, being that in southern Italy is lower than in Iberia.

[Vasconcelos]

You're really complexed if that's actually how you think.

[Alessio]

Sicilian or Iberian, being that in southern Italy is lower than in Iberia.

Can you please rephrase your sentence so I can understand what you mean ?

[Alessio]

You're really complexed if that's actually how you think.

To me ?

I'd rather have less in common with Sub Saharan Africans than have more in common with them, either phenotypically or genotypically; is that being complexed ?

They're actually the only race/population(s) I can say this about because with the rest of the world I wouldn't mind sharing these similarities with.

[Vasconcelos]

To me ?

I'd rather have less in common with Sub Saharan Africans than have more in common with them, either phenotypically or genotypically; is that being complexed ?

They're actually the only race/population(s) I can say this about because with the rest of the world I wouldn't mind sharing these similarities with.

That is from thousands of years ago, everyone was eating rocks and using their fingers to wipe their arses. Even non-Slavic Russians have it, who gives a toss.

[Not a Cop]

I'm seriously starting to believe some nordicists are right concering higher amounts of blond hair and blue eyes = indigenous European/WHG.

In modern times it correlates almost exactly, especially if you count in having lower amounts of red hair in combination with high amounts of blond hair.
Balts and Finns have the highest very closely followed by Scandinavians.

Correlation doesn't have to be the same as causation, but still, it almost seems so.

Not really, for example Norwegians are ~30% blonde, while Russians are ~18, still both populations have about the same WHG according to the map.

[Ibericus]

Blondism is not related with a particular component. Remember also one of the neolithics farmers from Hungary (NE7), who is genetically similar to Sardinians, was blonde and blue-eyed.

[Alessio]

:)

[Alessio]

That is from thousands of years ago, everyone was eating rocks and using their fingers to wipe their arses. Even non-Slavic Russians have it, who gives a toss.

Sure, it was meant kind of sarcastic honestly but the less the better :p

However I can understand why you being Spanish and all can be quite but hurt by such statements..

[Vasconcelos]

Sure, it was meant kind of sarcastic honestly but the less the better :p

However I can understand why you being Spanish and all can be quite but hurt by such statements..

I'm not Spanish, nor do I have any sort of issues. Clearly unlike others. And don't make shitty accusations.

[Black Wolf]

I'm seriously starting to believe some nordicists are right concering higher amounts of blond hair and blue eyes = indigenous European/WHG.

In modern times it correlates almost exactly, especially if you count in having lower amounts of red hair in combination with high amounts of blond hair.
Balts and Finns have the highest very closely followed by Scandinavians.

Correlation doesn't have to be the same as causation, but still, it almost seems so.

I believe that some of the Scandinavian Mesolithic hunter-gatherers that have been tested most likely had blonde/light hair and blue eyes. Some of them also had light skin I think. They were dominated by the WHG component but they also had a fairly significant amount of ANE as well. On the other hand the Mesolithic hunter-gatherers from Western Europe such as La Brana and Loschbour had dark hair, blue eyes and possibly also darker skin and they were completely dominated by the WHG component.

[Equilibrium]

I thought so but he linked me the regular sheet, not the second one.

I know for certain that his average is calculated from the low-bound results. The link he gave you in his initial post does contain both sets. Look in the bottom left corner, there are two tabs, you can switch between them.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit?pli=1#gid=74932529

[Stimpy]

Not really, for example Norwegians are ~30% blonde, while Russians are ~18, still both populations have about the same WHG according to the map.

I'm not making any claims it just seems reasonable.

If blondism was dominant there wouldn't really be much to it, it could come from any source. But it isn't dominant, it's recessive.

The blondest countries in the entire world are all on average about half WHG - some even a bit more. Wouldn't it make sense that their overwhelming blondism (a recessive gene) comes from the component that makes up ~50% of their ancestry?

[Stefano]

WHGs were ultra swarthy, even swarthier than modern South Europeans, according to every peer rieviewed paper so far, so your argument make no sense at all.

Also there were many WHGs in North Africa before the Neolitich revolutions.

[Longbowman]

Either way WHG is, for me, 'Indigenous European.'

[Stimpy]

WHGs were ultra swarthy, even swarthier than modern South Europeans, according to every peer rieviewed paper so far, so your argument make no sense at all.

There are still people alive today who are over half WHG genetically in Northern-Europe, especially around the baltic sea - not very swarthy.

It's hard to say the skin colour of pure WHGs. As I explained f.ex. the claim that La Brana was dark skinned is based a SNP (rs1426654) which only weights ~15% on skin coloration.
He did have blue eyes and dark hair though.

[Stimpy]

I believe that some of the Scandinavian Mesolithic hunter-gatherers that have been tested most likely had blonde/light hair and blue eyes. Some of them also had light skin I think. They were dominated by the WHG component but they also had a fairly significant amount of ANE as well. On the other hand the Mesolithic hunter-gatherers from Western Europe such as La Brana and Loschbour had dark hair, blue eyes and possibly also darker skin and they were completely dominated by the WHG component.

WHG most likely formed a widespread population. I think there were some regional differences, some were lighter, some were darker.

Maybe at least the WHG who survived to contribute to modern people in Northern-Europe were mostly blond.
Just look at f.ex. Estonia - one of the blondest countries in the entire world (at least top 3).

WHG: 50%
ENF: 27%
ANE: 18.5%

How could blondism (a recessive trait) come from anything other than their 50% WHG component? Especially if WHGs were dark. It wouldn't have survived in such large quantities.

[gold_fenix]

i don't find a correlation, but this supports the separation between west and east mediterranean, Iberia has the lowest ANE but too is the south european country with lowest Near East, btw Long could you make a map with index (WHG + ANE)/Near Eastern

[Black Wolf]

WHG most likely formed a widespread population. I think there were some regional differences, some were lighter, some were darker.

Maybe at least the WHG who survived to contribute to modern people in Northern-Europe were mostly blond.
Just look at f.ex. Estonia - one of the blondest countries in the entire world (at least top 3).

WHG: 50%
ENF: 27%
ANE: 18.5%

How could blondism (a recessive trait) come from anything other than their 50% WHG component? Especially if WHGs were dark. It wouldn't have survived in such large quantities.

Both WHG and ANE were probably both quite widespread during the Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic.

[Demhat]

Yeah I'll knock up some maps tomorrow (ANE, Near East, WHG, maybe EEA, SEA, SSA, Oceanian and Pygmy are negligible for all European populations). As I recall Samaritans are the most Near Eastern, Lithuanians the most WHG, maybe Ket or some Caucasian group the most ANE.


As far as I know, the most ANE are Kalash but they are outside the map of course.

[Demhat]

Near East, colour.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2zfqxpt.png

A small mistake on that map.

Blue Kurdish inhabidet territories of Iran/Eastern Kurdistan.
http://www.oldschoolhijabi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/iraniankurdestanmap.png

Actually the whole Western part all the way down to Khuzestan should be in blue.

[Longbowman]

A small mistake on that map.

Blue Kurdish inhabidet territories of Iran/Eastern Kurdistan.
http://www.oldschoolhijabi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/iraniankurdestanmap.png

Actually the whole Western part all the way down to Khuzestan should be in blue.

The map is a rough approximation. I don't have enough averages to be so specific. However it does not seem to be implausible the way it is.

[Demhat]

Southeast Asian. Regardless, I meant natives to the country of Russia who are not ethnic Russians (Mordvins, etc).

SEA stands for "South Eurasian" and it is an 3/4 ANI (West Asian like)and 1/4 ASI (Southeast Asian like) component.

[Demhat]

For some reasons people seem to not understand, that Light features do not correlate with WHG.

light features correlate rather with uv radiation check some maps.

The only reason why WHG today is so high in more light featured people, is because WHG were pushed into the far corners of Europe by farmers. Now lets's be honest, who on earth (without the economical benefits) would prefer to live in far North Europe instead of Green and sunny/Mediterranean farming land in South or South_Central Europe? The farmers simply took the good land for themselves pushing the WHG mostly towards the colder North and far West . Some Farmers also settled in North Europe, but it was not as preferred as the South, which is climatically much more like their original homeland, and even parts of Central Europe which is very green.

[Stimpy]

For some reasons people seem to not understand, that Light features do not correlate with WHG.

light features correlate rather with uv radiation check some maps.

The only reason why WHG today is so high in more light featured people, is because WHG were pushed into the far corners of Europe by farmers

Yes, of course. I just said that it correlates in modern time.

But it still must mean that the WHGs in the north developed light features independently. Not because they mixed with lighter farmers or something - like many seem to think.
I even took the averages from your K8 map thread for Estonia as an example. Since it's one of the blondest countries in the world.

WHG: 50%
ENF: 27%
ANE: 18.5%

Again, how could blondism (a recessive trait) come from anything other than their 50% WHG component? Especially if the WHGs were dark. It wouldn't have survived in such large quantities if it came from ENG or ANE (at least alone).

[gold_fenix]

ratio betwenen WHG + ANE and NE

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/Divad_Ocsarrac/maparatio_zps3706440e.jpg

[SwampThing26]

ratio betwenen WHG + ANE and NE

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/Divad_Ocsarrac/maparatio_zps3706440e.jpg

My ratio is 1.42. Hard to read the numbers on the map but it looks like around SE England?

[Black Wolf]

How do you calculate your own ratio?

[SwampThing26]

How do you calculate your own ratio?

I just divided ANE+WHG by NE. Unless im wrong.

[gold_fenix]

My ratio is 1.42. Hard to read the numbers on the map but it looks like around SE England?

the image was originally bigger, but the server has reduced it

[Shepherd]

great work man!

just curious why ANE is peaking in the Caucasus, it was always my understanding that its a northeastern European thing :confused:

[Longbowman]

great work man!

just curious why ANE is peaking in the Caucasus, it was always my understanding that its a northeastern European thing :confused:

Ancient North Eurasian peaks in NE Europe but only amongst Europeans. The component I'd say is typically NE European is WHG. ANE isn't indigenous European.

[Demhat]

Kalash are probably the closest you get to ancient ANE people. after that come North Caucasians and than Irano_Anatolians/North and East Euros.
Kalash are basically ANE with South/Southeast Asian admixture.
https://dnaexplained.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/hammer-2014-32.jpg

[Ibericus]

great work man!

just curious why ANE is peaking in the Caucasus, it was always my understanding that its a northeastern European thing :confused:
On Eurogeens it peaks in Amerindians, at about 40%

[Demhat]

On Eurogeens it peaks in Amerindians, at about 40%

Yes Amerindians are basically ANE + EEA.

Eurogenes doesn't have any kalash samples unfortunately. Otherwise it would peak in them.

[SwampThing26]

Where did the Oceanian come from in some of the European populations on the spreadsheet? I score .8% and don't have any Oceanian or Native ancestry so I wonder if it's just noise? It seems like with these results there isn't really "noise" because we aren't really looking for a specific ancestor, but a shared component among different peoples.

[Vasconcelos]

Where did the Oceanian come from in some of the European populations on the spreadsheet? I score .8% and don't have any Oceanian or Native ancestry so I wonder if it's just noise? It seems like with these results there isn't really "noise" because we aren't really looking for a specific ancestor, but a shared component among different peoples.

It's probably very ancient, I think. In Iberia some people scored over 1% EEA, which historically makes no sense.

[Gaston]

It's probably very ancient, I think. In Iberia some people scored over 1% EEA, which historically makes no sense.

According to Eurogenes, EEA could be an ancient link with South Asia through mtdna M1. This is why minor EEA is showing up in the Middle East, North Africa, Southern Europe and the Horn of Africa.

[Oneeye]

SSA:

http://i62.tinypic.com/wkpefs.png



One drop everyone but the English. :thumb001:

[Longbowman]

One drop everyone but the English. :thumb001:

Balkans too, and North Italians.

[Alessio]

One drop everyone but the English. :thumb001:

& Dutch

[Hevo]

& Dutch

Erm, Davidski has not tested the Dutch yet.

[Alessio]

Erm, Davidski has not tested the Dutch yet.

Why not? I delivered several samples.

What would you expect for the Dutch honestly ..

[Hevo]

Why not? I delivered several samples.

What would you expect for the Dutch honestly ..

I don't know. He has not tested the North/South Dutch samples for this calculator yet because he is probably busy. He will do it next week.

You never know.xD

[Stimpy]

Where did the Oceanian come from in some of the European populations on the spreadsheet? I score .8% and don't have any Oceanian or Native ancestry so I wonder if it's just noise? It seems like with these results there isn't really "noise" because we aren't really looking for a specific ancestor, but a shared component among different peoples.

Maybe Oceanian is some very ancient Denisovan admixture or something.

Oceanians are the people with the highest denisovan adm. in the entire world. Around 6%.

[Geni]

please ..even albanians..

[Rugevit]

Some maybe interested to see it. Polar dendrogram based on European populations averages. : http://postimg.org/image/lvsexsvm3/full/

[Sikeliot]

Some maybe interested to see it. Polar dendrogram based on European populations averages. : http://postimg.org/image/lvsexsvm3/full/

Cypriots appear with the Sicilians and southern Italians, and not with the Greeks. Interesting. I am not surprised.

[Rugevit]

Cypriots appear with the Sicilians and southern Italians, and not with the Greeks. Interesting. I am not surprised.

Suprising are Ukrainian from Lviv and and French. But then again there isn't much differences in admixture proportions between French and western Balkans and Ukrainians from Lviv and Orcadians. All other populations are as expected.

[Longbowman]

Some maybe interested to see it. Polar dendrogram based on European populations averages. : http://postimg.org/image/lvsexsvm3/full/

No Jewish groups?

[Rugevit]

No Jewish groups?

Dendrogram based on your averages from the first page : http://postimg.org/image/7ky2g72u3/full/

[Longbowman]

Dendrogram based on your averages from the first page : http://postimg.org/image/7ky2g72u3/full/

Perfect :)

[Rugevit]

PCA plot for selected European populations only. Resolution of image is 3200x1800 : http://postimg.org/image/46o9tatqj/full/

[Longbowman]

PCA plot for selected European populations only. Resolution of image is 3200x1800 : http://postimg.org/image/46o9tatqj/full/

Could you plot AJs and SJs on that?

[Grace O'Malley]

ANE, colour coded.

http://i57.tinypic.com/23w2vr8.png

Just wonder if many Irish have been sampled for this as I didn't think they had? My mother is from southern Ireland and gets ANE 0.161975 and I get ANE 0.158429. Basically I'm just wondering if the Irish map is guess work or based on actual samples?

[Longbowman]

Just wonder if many Irish have been sampled for this as I didn't think they had? My mother is from southern Ireland and gets ANE 0.161975 and I get ANE 0.158429. Basically I'm just wondering if the Irish map is guess work or based on actual samples?

If there is no number there, then there's no sample.

[Jackson]

I'm going to make a coloured map of the population clusters soon, having problems atm but will do it soon.

[Longbowman]

I'm going to make a coloured map of the population clusters soon, having problems atm but will do it soon.

My other thread has more, I would use that.

[Graham]

Form what I seen, other populations should be available in the future.

[Longbowman]

Form what I seen, other populations should be available in the future.

When they are, I'll calculate the averages and add them on.

[Graham]

When they are, I'll calculate the averages and add them on.

Check up on this, scroll down to the bottom of the page, in the comments. He might just post it there.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/crowdfunding-for-2015-new-test.html?m=1

[Longbowman]

Check up on this, scroll down to the bottom of the page, in the comments. He might just post it there.
http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/crowdfunding-for-2015-new-test.html?m=1

I've now added all the living reference populations available, even the Utah ones. Day off tomorrow, I'll add the historic references.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Could you add these populations to your maps?


Iranian_Jewish 14.012975 3.365566667 79.773525 0.082166667 1.019241667 0.240425 0.201941667 1.304166667
Iraqi_Jewish 12.04382308 2.787915385 82.72414615 0.001 0.745584615 0.441638462 0.113223077 1.142676923
IQ_Mandaean 14.13 3.09 80.73 0.00 0.59 0.00 0.00 1.22

[ZephyrousMandaru]

I just discovered this updated spreadsheet. There are some minor problems I have with this, under Middle East & North Africa Assyrians are grouped under the"South Caucasus" category. Assyrians aren't from the Caucasus, Assyrians are from Iraq. Also, Iraqi Jews are grouped under Southern Arabia when most analyses show that they consistently cluster with Assyrians, Iranian Jews and Iraqi Mandaeans? Also, Iranian Jews shouldn't be under Iran either, they're not a proper Iranian population like Kurds, Azeris and Persians are and Iranian Jews also cluster with the aforementioned populations.

My suggested revision is to remove Iraqi Jews from the Southern Arabia category, Assyrians from the South Caucasus category and Iranian Jews from the Iran category and then create a Mesopotamian category and group them all in there along with Iraqi Mandaeans.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XwUsAA/pubhtml

[Longbowman]

I just discovered this updated spreadsheet. There are some minor problems I have with this, under Middle East & North Africa Assyrians are grouped under the"South Caucasus" category. Assyrians aren't from the Caucasus, Assyrians are from Iraq. Also, Iraqi Jews are grouped under Southern Arabia when most analyses show that they consistently cluster with Assyrians, Iranian Jews and Iraqi Mandaeans? Also, Iranian Jews shouldn't be under Iran either, they're not a proper Iranian population like Kurds, Azeris and Persians are and Iranian Jews also cluster with the aforementioned populations.

My suggested revision is to remove Iraqi Jews from the Southern Arabia category, Assyrians from the South Caucasus category and Iranian Jews from the Iran category and then create a Mesopotamian category and group them all in there along with Iraqi Mandaeans.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XwUsAA/pubhtml

Will get on it tomorrow.

Where is the Mandaean from?

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Will get on it tomorrow.

Where is the Mandaean from?

The Mandaeans are from Southern Iraq, but they cluster with Iraqi Jews, Iranian Jews and Assyrians. So I'd place them in the "Mesopotamian" category. Thanks for all your work.

[Longbowman]

The Mandaeans are from Southern Iraq, but they cluster with Iraqi Jews, Iranian Jews and Assyrians. So I'd place them in the "Mesopotamian" category. Thanks for all your work.

Haha, no, I meant, where did you get the data from. I know what Mandaeans are.

[SwampThing26]

Does anyone know what European populations the Pygmy component peaks in? And how it differs from SSA?

[Longbowman]

Does anyone know what European populations the Pygmy component peaks in? And how it differs from SSA?

0.54% in Galicia.

[SwampThing26]

0.54% in Galicia.

Thanks

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Haha, no, I meant, where did you get the data from. I know what Mandaeans are.

I'll post them here. These are the averages for all populations featured in the West Eurasia K8 text file that uses the Oracle-4 application. I added some that weren't included in the original such as Syrian Jews, a few Ethiopian subpopulations, Iraqi Mandaeans and one other Assyrian.



Abkhasian 22.12758571 4.189380952 70.66118095 0.001 2.957614286 0.004619048 0.057609524 0.001
Adygei 23.80831429 4.378335714 61.59546429 1.225057143 8.755821429 0.155914286 0.076 0.005121429
Afghan_Hazara 21.3937 7.445625 31.588275 31.58425 5.0816 1.6403 0.6492 0.61715
Afghan_Pashtun 30.47106 11.8323 46.13318 4.87182 3.84904 1.26248 0.13788 1.44228
Afghan_Tadjik 26.15578 9.3971 42.53064 15.22496 3.72062 1.47774 0.216 1.27722
Afghan_Turkmen 22.1969 2.6824 36.78535 27.249625 8.04475 1.722825 0.129075 1.189025
Afghan_Uzbeki 25.28598 8.61604 44.62768 15.09414 3.83058 1.31622 0.2674 0.96198
Altaian 19.11557143 0.001 9.05845 62.8216 7.290107143 1.098271429 0.084042857 0.530992857
Armenian 15.47949259 2.808311111 77.74897037 0.001 3.610955556 0.0565 0.263862963 0.030903704
Ashkenazi 8.436015789 0.853847368 68.10026316 1.374568421 18.55468947 0.403815789 0.208563158 2.068278947
Assyrian 14.24 2.83 79.97 0.00 2.06 0.20 0.19 0.47
Azeri 18.4955 4.9655875 67.60888125 3.5287875 3.9646375 0.23415625 0.48938125 0.71308125
Balkar 23.45483 5.096395 59.927195 2.749325 8.51725 0.064705 0.18931 0.001
Basque_French 5.951738095 0.046680952 47.42169524 0.351452381 45.80614286 0.24102381 0.109504762 0.071733333
Bedouin 2.94338 0.22776 81.63387 1.91304 2.1553775 0.5303125 0.1721175 10.4241425
Belorussian 16.90406 1.20976 33.36616 0.363013333 47.62676667 0.238373333 0.109593333 0.18226
Biaka_Pygmy 0.018681818 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.002595455 0.001 56.81741818 43.15730909
Bosnian 14.08807333 1.5692 45.88124667 0.188413333 37.8369 0.289913333 0.106486667 0.039773333
Bulgarian 12.72182581 1.215822581 52.55489355 0.625493548 32.43353548 0.271235484 0.131496774 0.045703226
Burmese 5.89899375 27.2230375 4.01336875 59.4952375 0.01639375 1.7803875 0.37264375 1.19989375
Burusho 34.406316 17.292716 37.566332 6.438632 0.097016 2.1382 0.07422 1.986556
Cambodian 1.36179 45.9168 1.90617 48.75488 1.04879 0.28963 0.11405 0.60792
Central_Greek 10.55411 1.02453 63.31638 0.18977 24.41957 0.30637 0.12012 0.06918
Central_Sicilian 7.51985 0.62415 67.5441 0.4246 21.14195 0.2872 0.38315 2.0749
Chechen 25.94316842 4.587863158 59.43008947 0.017847368 9.950968421 0.028042105 0.041005263 0.001
Chuvash 21.60822222 0.124205556 23.27855556 20.34671111 33.70915556 0.381144444 0.067605556 0.484377778
Croatian 13.73144583 0.980483333 44.8396625 0.088970833 39.92648333 0.302120833 0.095941667 0.034895833
Cyprian 7.954563636 0.766536364 78.02547273 0.363163636 11.36797273 0.414927273 0.324172727 0.7832
Dai 0.001 39.91185 0.001 60.08213 0.001 0.001 0.00102 0.001
Daur 7.073388889 2.693888889 1.418766667 86.73842222 0.306611111 1.551833333 0.093477778 0.123611111
Druze 8.492578261 1.754469565 80.02315652 0.462686957 5.909352174 0.503826087 0.321473913 2.532473913
East_Sicilian 7.72259 0.93607 67.01205 0.53325 21.52034 0.37044 0.26906 1.63618
Egyptian 2.341027273 0.2786 73.16935455 1.554390909 3.943772727 0.534527273 0.463472727 17.71481818
Erzya 20.10911111 1.554588889 28.82105556 6.054733333 43.04822222 0.135322222 0.105522222 0.171422222
Estonian 18.24641333 1.517926667 27.12232667 1.683946667 50.80538667 0.358033333 0.036893333 0.229073333
Ethiopian_Afar 0.001 0.001 51.27036667 2.2087 0.001 0.209 0.022266667 46.28666667
Ethiopian_Amhara 0.001 0.002924 51.736588 1.385548 0.001 0.342808 0.487124 46.043012
Ethiopian_Anuak 1.703722222 1.036427778 0.629433333 0.042455556 0.01885 0.074527778 10.59174444 85.90285
Ethiopian_Gumuz 1.413383333 1.805816667 5.431466667 0.387316667 0.001 0.355783333 10.4205 80.18473333
Ethiopian_Jewish 0.001 0.04435 48.53298571 1.301435714 0.001 0.369428571 0.755114286 48.99468571
Ethiopian_Oromo 0.001 0.028566667 42.0216625 1.498745833 0.001 0.345379167 2.505854167 53.5977875
Ethiopian_Tigray 0.001 0.025863636 52.7707 1.396859091 0.001031818 0.335281818 0.189236364 45.28000455
Ethiopian_Wolayta 0.001 0.001 38.6383 2.077266667 0.001 0.2034 4.5395 54.53856667
Finnish 17.38366667 0.575166667 26.57056667 5.7321 48.71993333 0.823733333 0.0715 0.123266667
French 11.51857857 0.359614286 45.68525 0.296939286 41.60721071 0.226835714 0.177292857 0.128285714
Georgian_Imer 20.76198 2.96846 74.77174 0.00108 1.31948 0.08398 0.09228 0.001
Georgian_Jewish 13.81266667 3.091 78.5751 0.001 3.351033333 0.3229 0.1352 0.711133333
Georgian_Laz 17.80312 2.85512 75.99526 0.001 3.34242 0.00104 0.001 0.001
Gokhem2 0.001 0.001 49.1378 0.001 49.8313 1.0258 0.001 0.001
Greek 9.891647059 0.503682353 63.31351765 0.334723529 25.42714118 0.3689 0.128223529 0.032170588
Greek_Thessaly 10.75547 0.95664 59.59595 0.26551 28.00403 0.25354 0.10574 0.06312
Hezhen 6.800914286 3.863942857 0.274457143 87.72431429 0.0445 1.206957143 0.082828571 0.002085714
Hinxton4 15.0762 0.0644 35.439 0.4622 48.4972 0.001 0.001 0.459
Hungarian 14.29188889 0.851166667 42.73221667 0.631116667 41.09323889 0.156266667 0.077983333 0.166122222
Iranian 19.60691176 5.982682353 68.82104706 0.299517647 1.799805882 0.434611765 0.627023529 2.428388235
Iranian_Jewish 14.012975 3.365566667 79.773525 0.082166667 1.019241667 0.240425 0.201941667 1.304166667
Iraqi_Jewish 12.04382308 2.787915385 82.72414615 0.001 0.745584615 0.441638462 0.113223077 1.142676923
IQ_Mandaean 14.13 3.09 80.73 0.00 0.59 0.00 0.00 1.22
Italian_Abruzzo 9.285790909 0.408790909 65.24433636 0.404936364 23.6639 0.4647 0.248172727 0.279354545
Japanese 1.932103571 12.01747143 0.073789286 84.63588214 0.028907143 1.124860714 0.102660714 0.084335714
Jordanian 6.556684211 1.296510526 76.81538947 1.681852632 4.730815789 0.533747368 0.307663158 8.077315789
Kabardin 23.03096667 4.321933333 59.07713333 3.216966667 10.17863333 0.001 0.172366667 0.001
Karitiana 42.656925 0.001 0.001 57.0605 0.001 0.277575 0.001 0.001
Kazakh 17.24387059 0.183958824 17.09394118 54.44558235 9.147435294 1.331417647 0.086488235 0.467288235
Ket 28.237725 0.001 0.712675 56.977975 13.03055 0.701725 0.001 0.3373
Khakass 23.19109231 0.001 7.372530769 58.8854 9.0198 0.848469231 0.123053846 0.558646154
Kirghiz 17.1085619 0.267542857 15.27523333 59.26442857 6.011880952 1.5004 0.153652381 0.418309524
Kosovar 10.88576667 0.958355556 57.81948889 0.062066667 30.06774444 0.119744444 0.085855556 0.001
Kumyk 23.55188125 4.86121875 58.704175 2.88275625 9.567875 0.172675 0.20505625 0.0543625
Kurdish 19.3142 4.825583333 71.74135 0.001 3.128316667 0.28015 0.41915 0.290266667
Lahu 0.001 35.44207143 0.002528571 64.47497143 0.001 0.038128571 0.009128571 0.031157143
LBA_Hungary 9.6173 0.0767 43.9599 0.001 45.4432 0.4784 0.2308 0.1928
Lebanese_Christian 7.137496 0.886572 83.148108 0.671736 5.53522 0.5021 0.256748 1.862028
Lebanese_Muslim 9.818428 1.71872 76.617488 0.658972 6.182992 0.559204 0.419504 4.0247
Lezgin 27.53479524 4.58092381 58.3375619 0.001 9.457228571 0.001 0.026328571 0.061166667
Lithuanian 18.10457 1.03045 28.27182 0.00632 52.09524 0.32319 0.06068 0.1077
Loschbour 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.001 99.4955 0.4985 0.001 0.001
Maasai 0.264188571 0.259912857 20.37276143 0.936775714 0.05172 0.221248571 7.897642857 69.99574
Macedonian 12.33003571 0.960778571 52.44437143 0.141985714 33.85481429 0.182264286 0.080107143 0.005628571
Malay 1.505110345 50.51615172 2.15961954 42.76900575 1.061378161 1.40964023 0.119163218 0.459934483
Mari 23.04240667 0.001 18.09141333 25.44144667 32.18958 0.474653333 0.0018 0.75774
Mbuti_Pygmy 0.001 0.001 0.001053846 0.001061538 0.001 0.001 98.59749231 1.396392308
Miaozu 0.001 26.44047 0.001 73.55349 0.001 0.00104 0.001 0.001
Moksha 19.25914 1.53616 30.51316 5.17116 42.91972 0.3487 0.08406 0.16792
Moldavian 15.97335714 1.5888 40.43805714 0.684285714 40.039 0.683785714 0.207014286 0.385714286
Mongola 7.5628 6.72074 2.77102 81.00921 0.86049 0.82978 0.14884 0.09711
Mongolian 13.88913333 0.001 8.858733333 71.36457778 4.031533333 1.563322222 0.046077778 0.245611111
Montenegrin 12.5321 0.75395 50.70822143 0.302421429 35.43239286 0.159342857 0.106192857 0.005378571
Moroccan 0.121847619 0.001 61.59605238 1.618942857 15.87501905 0.304790476 0.04352381 20.43880952
Motala12 15.9062 0.001 0.001 0.001 82.8288 1.26 0.001 0.001
Mozabite_Berber 0.001 0.001 60.13807778 1.28875 14.37849444 0.142661111 0.036144444 24.01388889
NAN_Melanesian 0.001 11.82546 0.001 12.54097 0.01614 75.61125 0.00318 0.001
Naxi 2.462714286 17.45251429 0.032428571 78.4471 0.127014286 1.045342857 0.2366 0.196328571
Neolithic_Hungary 0.001 0.001 69.8219 0.001 30.1721 0.001 0.001 0.001
North_Han_Chinese 2.31276 15.34548 0.79864 80.77153 0.14874 0.34747 0.26699 0.00839
North_Italian 8.233525 0.292908333 56.627525 0.14325 34.34415 0.188641667 0.127408333 0.042608333
North_Ossetian 23.87328462 4.792669231 60.34270769 2.840069231 7.961561538 0.045246154 0.143476923 0.001
Norwegian 15.50773333 0.981106667 35.87184 0.206266667 47.04439333 0.281133333 0.04912 0.05838
Orcadian 14.64965455 0.680054545 38.2367 0.100945455 45.86873636 0.138972727 0.113163636 0.211772727
Oroqen 9.244066667 1.120588889 0.282777778 87.93206667 0.229155556 1.0589 0.0529 0.079577778
Ossetian 22.8003 5.7426 62.84876667 1.887566667 6.707766667 0.011 0.001 0.001
Palestinian 5.438352941 0.750388235 77.96439118 1.474447059 4.777920588 0.605244118 0.443388235 8.545870588
Papuan 0.001011765 0.698817647 0.001 0.600976471 0.001105882 98.69496471 0.001129412 0.001
Pathan 33.43470476 15.44663333 45.1178381 0.609138095 1.332371429 1.86297619 0.119133333 2.077228571
Polish 16.81482778 1.140533333 34.10852778 0.084411111 47.47508889 0.150661111 0.108472222 0.117472222
Polish_Estonian 17.28624 1.35073 32.23826 1.08373 47.5679 0.31628 0.0692 0.08769
Romanian 13.099 0.723128571 51.78477143 0.923714286 32.93699286 0.32365 0.168728571 0.040028571
Russian_Kargopol 19.307456 0.94002 27.8648 6.528012 44.617416 0.330404 0.15514 0.25674
Russian_Kursk 18.1335 1.513975 33.321875 0.904175 45.52465 0.37165 0.11655 0.113675
Russian_Orel 17.84444286 1.186557143 33.4791 1.251957143 45.88678571 0.253071429 0.025671429 0.0724
Russian_Smolensk 16.85845 1.1024375 33.251475 0.6570625 47.731825 0.302825 0.0186625 0.0772125
Russian_Voronez 17.21615 1.10315 34.09645 0.829925 46.0722 0.259475 0.086875 0.335775
Samaritan 4.6762 0.1429 87.4987 1.9457 2.851 0.4691 0.001 2.4155
Sardinian 0.025391667 0.001 64.69250833 0.339541667 34.524475 0.118316667 0.212916667 0.085858333
Saudi 3.257678947 0.538726316 85.50581579 2.301042105 0.596431579 0.573657895 0.156936842 7.069705263
SE_English 13.77683889 0.633066667 39.82761944 0.046602778 45.32506667 0.268677778 0.086316667 0.035797222
Selkup 26.49392 0.001 1.56642 58.7663 12.2948 0.49118 0.14456 0.24184
Sephardic_Jewish 7.337338095 0.599580952 72.45979048 0.8198 15.50850476 0.442004762 0.240780952 2.59222381
Serbian 12.78879286 0.853928571 49.10550714 0.400328571 36.33310714 0.383235714 0.045585714 0.089485714
Serbian_Bosnia 13.13025 1.457975 45.720475 0.001 39.4373 0.161475 0.090525 0.001
She 0.001 25.04035 0.001 74.95365 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.001
Shors 24.415975 0.001 9.01545 52.558825 12.240425 0.778075 0.001 0.989225
Somali 0.001 0.001 41.03631429 1.361385714 0.001 0.164978571 0.02065 57.41366429
South_Italian 8.080583333 0.851438889 69.32153333 0.205094444 19.99821667 0.254288889 0.501461111 0.787372222
Spanish_Andalucia 6.8538 0.049925 52.69355 0.703675 37.2803 0.300325 0.332675 1.785725
Spanish_Aragon 6.79984 0.06244 51.29622 0.7178 40.23382 0.2037 0.44362 0.24256
Spanish_Baleares 7.566875 0.1242625 53.2692875 0.50685 36.7644875 0.2940625 0.3810625 1.0931375
Spanish_Canarias 5.01645 0.001 53.1913 0.93535 34.8414 0.374 0.18485 5.4556
Spanish_Cantabria 7.296533333 0.001 49.77816667 0.336866667 40.74758333 0.483083333 0.300733333 1.056033333
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.85095 0.05485 52.17115 0.64755 38.77535 0.120775 0.395375 0.984
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.835791667 0.224966667 51.57175833 0.771183333 38.11046667 0.304341667 0.277116667 1.904358333
Spanish_Cataluna 7.73024 0.33372 49.50104 0.37768 40.14496 0.30532 0.26624 1.34082
Spanish_Extremadura 7.3798 0.1476625 51.2976375 0.285375 37.5183875 0.4978875 0.5086625 2.364575
Spanish_Galicia 7.182475 0.1853875 51.1767375 0.9254125 37.66715 0.13245 0.5383875 2.1920125
Spanish_Murcia 6.12545 0.267266667 53.57333333 1.22845 35.38111667 0.16205 0.319233333 2.943116667
Spanish_Pais_Vasco 6.721375 0.001 47.376975 0.587725 44.9231375 0.1633625 0.1149375 0.111475
Spanish_Valencia 7.33896 0.1467 50.84896 0.42613 39.91277 0.28617 0.27985 0.76047
Stuttgart 0.001 0.001 72.1903 0.001 27.8037 0.001 0.001 0.001
SW_English 13.64480645 0.606609677 39.95596129 0.047509677 45.26179355 0.259748387 0.144722581 0.078848387
Swedish 15.48112778 0.959338889 34.48769444 0.218311111 48.43193333 0.252016667 0.122411111 0.04715
Syrian 9.346493333 2.067313333 76.30242667 1.110786667 4.584686667 0.339866667 0.463953333 5.784506667
Syrian_Jewish 8.66 1.51 76.27 0.03 10.09 0.02 0.00 2.94
Tabassaran 28.0496 5.001933333 55.8217 0.001 10.93203333 0.001 0.191733333 0.001
Tadjik 27.53793571 8.187592857 44.27682143 10.23102143 7.9824 0.733735714 0.241471429 0.809035714
Tatar 19.75632105 0.744405263 29.02121053 17.52074737 31.98396316 0.526842105 0.103447368 0.343042105
Tu 5.0586 12.2805875 3.6174125 76.73545 0.6025375 1.0788 0.37545 0.2511625
Tujia 0.02735 23.07053 0.001 76.86982 0.001 0.001 0.0283 0.001
Tunisian 0.2928 0.001 63.99012727 1.889309091 13.63862727 0.299590909 0.212509091 19.67600909
Turkish 16.54483684 3.212447368 66.49863684 4.340415789 8.515826316 0.246552632 0.357094737 0.284194737
Turkmen 20.56645882 5.687717647 46.12169412 19.14031765 6.5352 0.840747059 0.388994118 0.718894118
Tuscan 8.748321591 0.324705682 60.78171705 0.265407955 29.2538375 0.268910227 0.2664125 0.090692045
Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.249 1.538016667 35.47533333 0.46945 44.75491667 0.288466667 0.162916667 0.0619
Ukrainian_Kharkov 16.35985 2.08185 35.00585 0.78255 45.29725 0.001 0.39045 0.0811
Ukrainian_Lviv 15.97108333 1.541383333 37.75375 0.377183333 43.83315 0.3226 0.0563 0.144533333
Ukrainian_Poltava 16.37882 1.5495 36.05194 0.6383 44.81164 0.12336 0.15666 0.28984
Utah_German 14.07012727 0.733127273 39.37950909 0.132127273 44.9577 0.259672727 0.222663636 0.245027273
Utah_Scandinavian 15.4021625 0.973175 35.81365 0.14645 46.984575 0.3370875 0.063325 0.27955
Utah_USA 13.818545 0.6568 40.18845167 0.075551667 44.71742 0.209828333 0.178708333 0.15469
Uygur 17.94946 6.67825 24.7727 42.13811 6.58937 1.16979 0.08952 0.61281
Uzbeki 20.91179474 4.079294737 32.99766316 31.76381053 8.173442105 0.999936842 0.301236842 0.772836842
Vietnamese 0.01099 37.77848 0.04407 61.936395 0.16962 0.001 0.04471 0.01473
West_Scottish 15.200975 0.56095 38.041375 0.23775 45.519075 0.07855 0.149525 0.211825
West_Sicilian 8.088555556 0.855888889 66.08715556 0.312077778 22.56016111 0.253872222 0.355322222 1.48695
Xibo 5.980442857 7.5633 1.7454 83.28445714 0.129185714 1.035557143 0.198185714 0.063514286
Yakut 16.40828 0.001 3.04826 77.25342 1.69108 1.34254 0.15182 0.1036
Yemenite_Jewish 0.500766667 0.001 88.54616667 2.562233333 0.001 0.9663 0.001 7.421566667

[Longbowman]

I'll post them here. These are the averages for all populations featured in the West Eurasia K8 text file that uses the Oracle-4 application. I added some that weren't included in the original such as Syrian Jews, a few Ethiopian subpopulations, Iraqi Mandaeans and one other Assyrian.



Abkhasian 22.12758571 4.189380952 70.66118095 0.001 2.957614286 0.004619048 0.057609524 0.001
Adygei 23.80831429 4.378335714 61.59546429 1.225057143 8.755821429 0.155914286 0.076 0.005121429
Afghan_Hazara 21.3937 7.445625 31.588275 31.58425 5.0816 1.6403 0.6492 0.61715
Afghan_Pashtun 30.47106 11.8323 46.13318 4.87182 3.84904 1.26248 0.13788 1.44228
Afghan_Tadjik 26.15578 9.3971 42.53064 15.22496 3.72062 1.47774 0.216 1.27722
Afghan_Turkmen 22.1969 2.6824 36.78535 27.249625 8.04475 1.722825 0.129075 1.189025
Afghan_Uzbeki 25.28598 8.61604 44.62768 15.09414 3.83058 1.31622 0.2674 0.96198
Altaian 19.11557143 0.001 9.05845 62.8216 7.290107143 1.098271429 0.084042857 0.530992857
Armenian 15.47949259 2.808311111 77.74897037 0.001 3.610955556 0.0565 0.263862963 0.030903704
Ashkenazi 8.436015789 0.853847368 68.10026316 1.374568421 18.55468947 0.403815789 0.208563158 2.068278947
Assyrian 14.24 2.83 79.97 0.00 2.06 0.20 0.19 0.47
Azeri 18.4955 4.9655875 67.60888125 3.5287875 3.9646375 0.23415625 0.48938125 0.71308125
Balkar 23.45483 5.096395 59.927195 2.749325 8.51725 0.064705 0.18931 0.001
Basque_French 5.951738095 0.046680952 47.42169524 0.351452381 45.80614286 0.24102381 0.109504762 0.071733333
Bedouin 2.94338 0.22776 81.63387 1.91304 2.1553775 0.5303125 0.1721175 10.4241425
Belorussian 16.90406 1.20976 33.36616 0.363013333 47.62676667 0.238373333 0.109593333 0.18226
Biaka_Pygmy 0.018681818 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.002595455 0.001 56.81741818 43.15730909
Bosnian 14.08807333 1.5692 45.88124667 0.188413333 37.8369 0.289913333 0.106486667 0.039773333
Bulgarian 12.72182581 1.215822581 52.55489355 0.625493548 32.43353548 0.271235484 0.131496774 0.045703226
Burmese 5.89899375 27.2230375 4.01336875 59.4952375 0.01639375 1.7803875 0.37264375 1.19989375
Burusho 34.406316 17.292716 37.566332 6.438632 0.097016 2.1382 0.07422 1.986556
Cambodian 1.36179 45.9168 1.90617 48.75488 1.04879 0.28963 0.11405 0.60792
Central_Greek 10.55411 1.02453 63.31638 0.18977 24.41957 0.30637 0.12012 0.06918
Central_Sicilian 7.51985 0.62415 67.5441 0.4246 21.14195 0.2872 0.38315 2.0749
Chechen 25.94316842 4.587863158 59.43008947 0.017847368 9.950968421 0.028042105 0.041005263 0.001
Chuvash 21.60822222 0.124205556 23.27855556 20.34671111 33.70915556 0.381144444 0.067605556 0.484377778
Croatian 13.73144583 0.980483333 44.8396625 0.088970833 39.92648333 0.302120833 0.095941667 0.034895833
Cyprian 7.954563636 0.766536364 78.02547273 0.363163636 11.36797273 0.414927273 0.324172727 0.7832
Dai 0.001 39.91185 0.001 60.08213 0.001 0.001 0.00102 0.001
Daur 7.073388889 2.693888889 1.418766667 86.73842222 0.306611111 1.551833333 0.093477778 0.123611111
Druze 8.492578261 1.754469565 80.02315652 0.462686957 5.909352174 0.503826087 0.321473913 2.532473913
East_Sicilian 7.72259 0.93607 67.01205 0.53325 21.52034 0.37044 0.26906 1.63618
Egyptian 2.341027273 0.2786 73.16935455 1.554390909 3.943772727 0.534527273 0.463472727 17.71481818
Erzya 20.10911111 1.554588889 28.82105556 6.054733333 43.04822222 0.135322222 0.105522222 0.171422222
Estonian 18.24641333 1.517926667 27.12232667 1.683946667 50.80538667 0.358033333 0.036893333 0.229073333
Ethiopian_Afar 0.001 0.001 51.27036667 2.2087 0.001 0.209 0.022266667 46.28666667
Ethiopian_Amhara 0.001 0.002924 51.736588 1.385548 0.001 0.342808 0.487124 46.043012
Ethiopian_Anuak 1.703722222 1.036427778 0.629433333 0.042455556 0.01885 0.074527778 10.59174444 85.90285
Ethiopian_Gumuz 1.413383333 1.805816667 5.431466667 0.387316667 0.001 0.355783333 10.4205 80.18473333
Ethiopian_Jewish 0.001 0.04435 48.53298571 1.301435714 0.001 0.369428571 0.755114286 48.99468571
Ethiopian_Oromo 0.001 0.028566667 42.0216625 1.498745833 0.001 0.345379167 2.505854167 53.5977875
Ethiopian_Tigray 0.001 0.025863636 52.7707 1.396859091 0.001031818 0.335281818 0.189236364 45.28000455
Ethiopian_Wolayta 0.001 0.001 38.6383 2.077266667 0.001 0.2034 4.5395 54.53856667
Finnish 17.38366667 0.575166667 26.57056667 5.7321 48.71993333 0.823733333 0.0715 0.123266667
French 11.51857857 0.359614286 45.68525 0.296939286 41.60721071 0.226835714 0.177292857 0.128285714
Georgian_Imer 20.76198 2.96846 74.77174 0.00108 1.31948 0.08398 0.09228 0.001
Georgian_Jewish 13.81266667 3.091 78.5751 0.001 3.351033333 0.3229 0.1352 0.711133333
Georgian_Laz 17.80312 2.85512 75.99526 0.001 3.34242 0.00104 0.001 0.001
Gokhem2 0.001 0.001 49.1378 0.001 49.8313 1.0258 0.001 0.001
Greek 9.891647059 0.503682353 63.31351765 0.334723529 25.42714118 0.3689 0.128223529 0.032170588
Greek_Thessaly 10.75547 0.95664 59.59595 0.26551 28.00403 0.25354 0.10574 0.06312
Hezhen 6.800914286 3.863942857 0.274457143 87.72431429 0.0445 1.206957143 0.082828571 0.002085714
Hinxton4 15.0762 0.0644 35.439 0.4622 48.4972 0.001 0.001 0.459
Hungarian 14.29188889 0.851166667 42.73221667 0.631116667 41.09323889 0.156266667 0.077983333 0.166122222
Iranian 19.60691176 5.982682353 68.82104706 0.299517647 1.799805882 0.434611765 0.627023529 2.428388235
Iranian_Jewish 14.012975 3.365566667 79.773525 0.082166667 1.019241667 0.240425 0.201941667 1.304166667
Iraqi_Jewish 12.04382308 2.787915385 82.72414615 0.001 0.745584615 0.441638462 0.113223077 1.142676923
IQ_Mandaean 14.13 3.09 80.73 0.00 0.59 0.00 0.00 1.22
Italian_Abruzzo 9.285790909 0.408790909 65.24433636 0.404936364 23.6639 0.4647 0.248172727 0.279354545
Japanese 1.932103571 12.01747143 0.073789286 84.63588214 0.028907143 1.124860714 0.102660714 0.084335714
Jordanian 6.556684211 1.296510526 76.81538947 1.681852632 4.730815789 0.533747368 0.307663158 8.077315789
Kabardin 23.03096667 4.321933333 59.07713333 3.216966667 10.17863333 0.001 0.172366667 0.001
Karitiana 42.656925 0.001 0.001 57.0605 0.001 0.277575 0.001 0.001
Kazakh 17.24387059 0.183958824 17.09394118 54.44558235 9.147435294 1.331417647 0.086488235 0.467288235
Ket 28.237725 0.001 0.712675 56.977975 13.03055 0.701725 0.001 0.3373
Khakass 23.19109231 0.001 7.372530769 58.8854 9.0198 0.848469231 0.123053846 0.558646154
Kirghiz 17.1085619 0.267542857 15.27523333 59.26442857 6.011880952 1.5004 0.153652381 0.418309524
Kosovar 10.88576667 0.958355556 57.81948889 0.062066667 30.06774444 0.119744444 0.085855556 0.001
Kumyk 23.55188125 4.86121875 58.704175 2.88275625 9.567875 0.172675 0.20505625 0.0543625
Kurdish 19.3142 4.825583333 71.74135 0.001 3.128316667 0.28015 0.41915 0.290266667
Lahu 0.001 35.44207143 0.002528571 64.47497143 0.001 0.038128571 0.009128571 0.031157143
LBA_Hungary 9.6173 0.0767 43.9599 0.001 45.4432 0.4784 0.2308 0.1928
Lebanese_Christian 7.137496 0.886572 83.148108 0.671736 5.53522 0.5021 0.256748 1.862028
Lebanese_Muslim 9.818428 1.71872 76.617488 0.658972 6.182992 0.559204 0.419504 4.0247
Lezgin 27.53479524 4.58092381 58.3375619 0.001 9.457228571 0.001 0.026328571 0.061166667
Lithuanian 18.10457 1.03045 28.27182 0.00632 52.09524 0.32319 0.06068 0.1077
Loschbour 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.001 99.4955 0.4985 0.001 0.001
Maasai 0.264188571 0.259912857 20.37276143 0.936775714 0.05172 0.221248571 7.897642857 69.99574
Macedonian 12.33003571 0.960778571 52.44437143 0.141985714 33.85481429 0.182264286 0.080107143 0.005628571
Malay 1.505110345 50.51615172 2.15961954 42.76900575 1.061378161 1.40964023 0.119163218 0.459934483
Mari 23.04240667 0.001 18.09141333 25.44144667 32.18958 0.474653333 0.0018 0.75774
Mbuti_Pygmy 0.001 0.001 0.001053846 0.001061538 0.001 0.001 98.59749231 1.396392308
Miaozu 0.001 26.44047 0.001 73.55349 0.001 0.00104 0.001 0.001
Moksha 19.25914 1.53616 30.51316 5.17116 42.91972 0.3487 0.08406 0.16792
Moldavian 15.97335714 1.5888 40.43805714 0.684285714 40.039 0.683785714 0.207014286 0.385714286
Mongola 7.5628 6.72074 2.77102 81.00921 0.86049 0.82978 0.14884 0.09711
Mongolian 13.88913333 0.001 8.858733333 71.36457778 4.031533333 1.563322222 0.046077778 0.245611111
Montenegrin 12.5321 0.75395 50.70822143 0.302421429 35.43239286 0.159342857 0.106192857 0.005378571
Moroccan 0.121847619 0.001 61.59605238 1.618942857 15.87501905 0.304790476 0.04352381 20.43880952
Motala12 15.9062 0.001 0.001 0.001 82.8288 1.26 0.001 0.001
Mozabite_Berber 0.001 0.001 60.13807778 1.28875 14.37849444 0.142661111 0.036144444 24.01388889
NAN_Melanesian 0.001 11.82546 0.001 12.54097 0.01614 75.61125 0.00318 0.001
Naxi 2.462714286 17.45251429 0.032428571 78.4471 0.127014286 1.045342857 0.2366 0.196328571
Neolithic_Hungary 0.001 0.001 69.8219 0.001 30.1721 0.001 0.001 0.001
North_Han_Chinese 2.31276 15.34548 0.79864 80.77153 0.14874 0.34747 0.26699 0.00839
North_Italian 8.233525 0.292908333 56.627525 0.14325 34.34415 0.188641667 0.127408333 0.042608333
North_Ossetian 23.87328462 4.792669231 60.34270769 2.840069231 7.961561538 0.045246154 0.143476923 0.001
Norwegian 15.50773333 0.981106667 35.87184 0.206266667 47.04439333 0.281133333 0.04912 0.05838
Orcadian 14.64965455 0.680054545 38.2367 0.100945455 45.86873636 0.138972727 0.113163636 0.211772727
Oroqen 9.244066667 1.120588889 0.282777778 87.93206667 0.229155556 1.0589 0.0529 0.079577778
Ossetian 22.8003 5.7426 62.84876667 1.887566667 6.707766667 0.011 0.001 0.001
Palestinian 5.438352941 0.750388235 77.96439118 1.474447059 4.777920588 0.605244118 0.443388235 8.545870588
Papuan 0.001011765 0.698817647 0.001 0.600976471 0.001105882 98.69496471 0.001129412 0.001
Pathan 33.43470476 15.44663333 45.1178381 0.609138095 1.332371429 1.86297619 0.119133333 2.077228571
Polish 16.81482778 1.140533333 34.10852778 0.084411111 47.47508889 0.150661111 0.108472222 0.117472222
Polish_Estonian 17.28624 1.35073 32.23826 1.08373 47.5679 0.31628 0.0692 0.08769
Romanian 13.099 0.723128571 51.78477143 0.923714286 32.93699286 0.32365 0.168728571 0.040028571
Russian_Kargopol 19.307456 0.94002 27.8648 6.528012 44.617416 0.330404 0.15514 0.25674
Russian_Kursk 18.1335 1.513975 33.321875 0.904175 45.52465 0.37165 0.11655 0.113675
Russian_Orel 17.84444286 1.186557143 33.4791 1.251957143 45.88678571 0.253071429 0.025671429 0.0724
Russian_Smolensk 16.85845 1.1024375 33.251475 0.6570625 47.731825 0.302825 0.0186625 0.0772125
Russian_Voronez 17.21615 1.10315 34.09645 0.829925 46.0722 0.259475 0.086875 0.335775
Samaritan 4.6762 0.1429 87.4987 1.9457 2.851 0.4691 0.001 2.4155
Sardinian 0.025391667 0.001 64.69250833 0.339541667 34.524475 0.118316667 0.212916667 0.085858333
Saudi 3.257678947 0.538726316 85.50581579 2.301042105 0.596431579 0.573657895 0.156936842 7.069705263
SE_English 13.77683889 0.633066667 39.82761944 0.046602778 45.32506667 0.268677778 0.086316667 0.035797222
Selkup 26.49392 0.001 1.56642 58.7663 12.2948 0.49118 0.14456 0.24184
Sephardic_Jewish 7.337338095 0.599580952 72.45979048 0.8198 15.50850476 0.442004762 0.240780952 2.59222381
Serbian 12.78879286 0.853928571 49.10550714 0.400328571 36.33310714 0.383235714 0.045585714 0.089485714
Serbian_Bosnia 13.13025 1.457975 45.720475 0.001 39.4373 0.161475 0.090525 0.001
She 0.001 25.04035 0.001 74.95365 0.001 0.001 0.001 0.001
Shors 24.415975 0.001 9.01545 52.558825 12.240425 0.778075 0.001 0.989225
Somali 0.001 0.001 41.03631429 1.361385714 0.001 0.164978571 0.02065 57.41366429
South_Italian 8.080583333 0.851438889 69.32153333 0.205094444 19.99821667 0.254288889 0.501461111 0.787372222
Spanish_Andalucia 6.8538 0.049925 52.69355 0.703675 37.2803 0.300325 0.332675 1.785725
Spanish_Aragon 6.79984 0.06244 51.29622 0.7178 40.23382 0.2037 0.44362 0.24256
Spanish_Baleares 7.566875 0.1242625 53.2692875 0.50685 36.7644875 0.2940625 0.3810625 1.0931375
Spanish_Canarias 5.01645 0.001 53.1913 0.93535 34.8414 0.374 0.18485 5.4556
Spanish_Cantabria 7.296533333 0.001 49.77816667 0.336866667 40.74758333 0.483083333 0.300733333 1.056033333
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 6.85095 0.05485 52.17115 0.64755 38.77535 0.120775 0.395375 0.984
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 6.835791667 0.224966667 51.57175833 0.771183333 38.11046667 0.304341667 0.277116667 1.904358333
Spanish_Cataluna 7.73024 0.33372 49.50104 0.37768 40.14496 0.30532 0.26624 1.34082
Spanish_Extremadura 7.3798 0.1476625 51.2976375 0.285375 37.5183875 0.4978875 0.5086625 2.364575
Spanish_Galicia 7.182475 0.1853875 51.1767375 0.9254125 37.66715 0.13245 0.5383875 2.1920125
Spanish_Murcia 6.12545 0.267266667 53.57333333 1.22845 35.38111667 0.16205 0.319233333 2.943116667
Spanish_Pais_Vasco 6.721375 0.001 47.376975 0.587725 44.9231375 0.1633625 0.1149375 0.111475
Spanish_Valencia 7.33896 0.1467 50.84896 0.42613 39.91277 0.28617 0.27985 0.76047
Stuttgart 0.001 0.001 72.1903 0.001 27.8037 0.001 0.001 0.001
SW_English 13.64480645 0.606609677 39.95596129 0.047509677 45.26179355 0.259748387 0.144722581 0.078848387
Swedish 15.48112778 0.959338889 34.48769444 0.218311111 48.43193333 0.252016667 0.122411111 0.04715
Syrian 9.346493333 2.067313333 76.30242667 1.110786667 4.584686667 0.339866667 0.463953333 5.784506667
Syrian_Jewish 8.66 1.51 76.27 0.03 10.09 0.02 0.00 2.94
Tabassaran 28.0496 5.001933333 55.8217 0.001 10.93203333 0.001 0.191733333 0.001
Tadjik 27.53793571 8.187592857 44.27682143 10.23102143 7.9824 0.733735714 0.241471429 0.809035714
Tatar 19.75632105 0.744405263 29.02121053 17.52074737 31.98396316 0.526842105 0.103447368 0.343042105
Tu 5.0586 12.2805875 3.6174125 76.73545 0.6025375 1.0788 0.37545 0.2511625
Tujia 0.02735 23.07053 0.001 76.86982 0.001 0.001 0.0283 0.001
Tunisian 0.2928 0.001 63.99012727 1.889309091 13.63862727 0.299590909 0.212509091 19.67600909
Turkish 16.54483684 3.212447368 66.49863684 4.340415789 8.515826316 0.246552632 0.357094737 0.284194737
Turkmen 20.56645882 5.687717647 46.12169412 19.14031765 6.5352 0.840747059 0.388994118 0.718894118
Tuscan 8.748321591 0.324705682 60.78171705 0.265407955 29.2538375 0.268910227 0.2664125 0.090692045
Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.249 1.538016667 35.47533333 0.46945 44.75491667 0.288466667 0.162916667 0.0619
Ukrainian_Kharkov 16.35985 2.08185 35.00585 0.78255 45.29725 0.001 0.39045 0.0811
Ukrainian_Lviv 15.97108333 1.541383333 37.75375 0.377183333 43.83315 0.3226 0.0563 0.144533333
Ukrainian_Poltava 16.37882 1.5495 36.05194 0.6383 44.81164 0.12336 0.15666 0.28984
Utah_German 14.07012727 0.733127273 39.37950909 0.132127273 44.9577 0.259672727 0.222663636 0.245027273
Utah_Scandinavian 15.4021625 0.973175 35.81365 0.14645 46.984575 0.3370875 0.063325 0.27955
Utah_USA 13.818545 0.6568 40.18845167 0.075551667 44.71742 0.209828333 0.178708333 0.15469
Uygur 17.94946 6.67825 24.7727 42.13811 6.58937 1.16979 0.08952 0.61281
Uzbeki 20.91179474 4.079294737 32.99766316 31.76381053 8.173442105 0.999936842 0.301236842 0.772836842
Vietnamese 0.01099 37.77848 0.04407 61.936395 0.16962 0.001 0.04471 0.01473
West_Scottish 15.200975 0.56095 38.041375 0.23775 45.519075 0.07855 0.149525 0.211825
West_Sicilian 8.088555556 0.855888889 66.08715556 0.312077778 22.56016111 0.253872222 0.355322222 1.48695
Xibo 5.980442857 7.5633 1.7454 83.28445714 0.129185714 1.035557143 0.198185714 0.063514286
Yakut 16.40828 0.001 3.04826 77.25342 1.69108 1.34254 0.15182 0.1036
Yemenite_Jewish 0.500766667 0.001 88.54616667 2.562233333 0.001 0.9663 0.001 7.421566667

If you are able to add populations, could you add Central European and SSA groups, in addition to North Indian and Mesopomotamian ones? We already have overkill for Ethiopia ;)

[ZephyrousMandaru]

If you are able to add populations, could you add Central European and SSA groups, in addition to North Indian and Mesopomotamian ones? We already have overkill for Ethiopia ;)

Sure, which ones do you want me to add? I can only add populations I have results for, these population averages are from the West Eurasia K8 spreadsheet.

[Ades]

Sure, which ones do you want me to add? I can only add populations I have results for, these population averages are from the West Eurasia K8 spreadsheet.

Would you be able to get K8 averages for the different German and Polish regions? That is: East German, West German, North German and South Polish?

[Longbowman]

Sure, which ones do you want me to add? I can only add populations I have results for, these population averages are from the West Eurasia K8 spreadsheet.

Link me.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Link me.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit

[Longbowman]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit

Yeah that's what I used.

[ZephyrousMandaru]

Would you be able to get K8 averages for the different German and Polish regions? That is: East German, West German, North German and South Polish?

You'd have to ask Davidski about that.

[Danishmend]

To be honest I don't know, I think they just got admixed mostly with people of ANE. I am about 15% if I remember correctly, but this probably because I am half. Though most Semites especially those that are of my maternal line have nill.

Can you post your results Nabatea1? :rolleyes:

[Grace O'Malley]

ANE, colour coded.

http://i57.tinypic.com/23w2vr8.png

I think you did these wonderful maps Longbowman? Just a tip that ANE in Ireland is all between 15 - 17% as posted by some fully Irish people on Anthrogenica so it should all be blue. I understand if you don't change it but it seems a bit of a coincidence that both myself, my mother and at least 2 other Irish people on Anthrogenica have such high ANE. One was from Galway, another from Tipperary. My mother is over 16% and she is from Tipperary also. Highly likely Ireland is the same as West Scotland as far as ANE goes.

[Han Cholo]

ANE is bimodal in the Caucasus and South-Central Asia. The highest frequencies of ANE are as follows, South-Central Asia, Caucasus, Europe and Middle East.

This component is also high in the Native populations of America.

[Musso]

tag this very good thread.

[Musso]

Sorry for the noob question, but what do these stand for?

ANE SEA EEA WHG Pygmy

[Longbowman]

I think you did these wonderful maps Longbowman? Just a tip that ANE in Ireland is all between 15 - 17% as posted by some fully Irish people on Anthrogenica so it should all be blue. I understand if you don't change it but it seems a bit of a coincidence that both myself, my mother and at least 2 other Irish people on Anthrogenica have such high ANE. One was from Galway, another from Tipperary. My mother is over 16% and she is from Tipperary also. Highly likely Ireland is the same as West Scotland as far as ANE goes.

I did, yes. I worked with the data I had :shrug:

[Longbowman]

Sorry for the noob question, but what do these stand for?

ANE SEA EEA WHG Pygmy

Ancient North Eurasian (sort of like WHG but Asian, associated with Indo-Europeans in Europe)
South Eurasian (actually peaks in the Southeast by far, possible association with Indo-Europeans in Europe)
East Eurasian (Asian)
Western Hunter-Gatherer (Indigenous European)
Pygmy is Pygmy. Like, African Pygmies.


tag this very good thread.

With?

[Grace O'Malley]

I did, yes. I worked with the data I had :shrug:

Yes I know you worked with the data you had and you did an excellent job. It just why is the estimated ANE in the Northern parts of Ireland in blue when all of Ireland is high in ANE. :) Also England and Eastern Scotland had more continental incursions which explain the drop in ANE in those areas.

[Nurzat]

Longbowman's maps confirm my belief that Romanians are Woggier than Yugoslavs.

depends on the region. I tested to 23andme with other two friends and we all got results similar to Hungarians and Moldavians (we are from Northern and Northwestern Romania) and closer even to Croats and Slovenes than to "Romanians" in the sheet, so the population in the Northern and Northeastern regions of Romania probably falls out of the Balkanic spectrum (probably the Northwest also). I know the Behar sample used in all these tests are from Ploiești and Constanța, very southern places, with a different population history and makeup

[Nurzat]

was any ANE + WHG map posted? :D with the sum of the two I mean. I know Graham asked for one

[Longbowman]

was any ANE + WHG map posted? :D with the sum of the two I mean. I know Graham asked for one

Yes, on page 5 or 6.