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Graham
01-18-2015, 04:33 PM
Macneil clan shocked as DNA checks force rewrite of history
Friday 16 January 2015

For centuries the MacNeil clan based on the Hebridean island of Barra have proudly claimed to be descendants of Ireland's "greatest" King, Niall of the Nine Hostages. (http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/macneil-clan-shocked-as-dna-checks-force-rewrite-of-history.116231580)
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But a check on hundreds of modern day MacNeils has revealed their roots actually lie with the Vikings and not the Irish.

DNA swabs taken from Barra MacNeils as far away as Canada and Australia have proved that the blood of fierce Norse raiders runs through their veins.

The finding comes from the MacNeil Surname Y-DNA project run by genealogists Vincent MacNeil and Alex Buchanan.

Clansmen from all over the world including Scotland, the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia have provided DNA samples.

MacNeil remains the main surname on Barra on the southern tip of the Outer Hebrides with a population of just 1,000.

Clansmen believed they descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages through an 11th century Irish prince who emigrated to Scotland.

But the DNA project has not found a single match to Ireland.

"We can say we can re-write the history of the Clan MacNeil," said genealogist Vincent MacNeil, from Nova Scotia, Canada.

"We don't have one participant from Barra that matches the O'Neills of Ireland.

"If you look at the history of the Clan MacNeils we are probably of Norse descent. We have legends and myths that have been passed through generations.

"But mother nature knows who we are. Oral history is wonderful and often there is truth in it. But everybody's family history is in their DNA."

The clan was infamous throughout Scotland and beyond for its Viking-style pirating and great seamanship.

MacNeils raided the seas from their base at Kisimul Castle in Birlinn vessels - boats similar to the Viking longships.

Western Isles MP, Angus MacNeil, who also lives on Barra, said: "The MacNeils were a notoriously pirating clan. It's no surprise we have Norse DNA.

"Maybe we are the last Vikings."

The MP added: "'Conquer or die' is the clan motto. Given the size of the island we ended up on we must have been better at the dying then the conquering."

Paul McNeil, a 70-year-old clansman, from Washington state, said he was devastated when he got his DNA results.

He said: "I nervously awaited the results, and was emotionally devastated when we received them."

The college teacher added: "A heavy workload and a bottle of whisky after work, helped me to get over it in a matter of weeks."

"I found solace in the fact that, if not a Celt, I am nevertheless a Gael.

Michael MacNeil, 62, from Nova Scotia, Canada, said: "It wasn't what I expected."

The Aerospace engineer, whose family emigrated from Barra seven generations ago, continued: "I'm pretty good with being of Viking descent. I have no problems at all. You are what you are."

Calum MacNeil, a retired fisherman who lives near Castlebay on the Isle of Barra, said: "I knew that anyway but I didn't want to tell anybody."

Niall of the Nine Hostages, whose dynasty dominated Ireland between the 5th and 10th Centuries, got his name from taking hostages as a strategy against his opponent chieftains.

The King, who died in 405AD, was the founder of the longest and most powerful Irish royal dynasty and known by some as the greatest king that Ireland ever knew.

Graham
01-18-2015, 04:34 PM
Haha I love stories like these. Looks like they're not too diffent to the MacLeods, MacAuleys etc.. :P

Baldur
01-18-2015, 04:37 PM
Fierce Norse raiders :D

Smaug
01-18-2015, 04:39 PM
MacNeil, I have this surname on my family. :)

alfieb
01-18-2015, 04:39 PM
Fascinating. 1000 years of incorrect folklore down the drain thanks to modern science.

Longbowman
01-18-2015, 04:40 PM
Calum MacNeil, a retired fisherman who lives near Castlebay on the Isle of Barra, said: "I knew that anyway but I didn't want to tell anybody."

Best part.

Smaug
01-18-2015, 04:46 PM
On topic, this proves nothing. After so many generations and mixing did they really expect to find traces of a single ancestor who lived almost two millenia ago?

Longbowman
01-18-2015, 04:47 PM
On topic, this proves nothing. After so many generations and mixing did they really expect to find traces of a single ancestor who lived almost two millenia ago?

Yes, if it's paternal line.

Smaug
01-18-2015, 04:48 PM
Yes, if it's paternal line.

As I said, I highly doubt that after so many generations Niall could keep a direct male-only line.

Longbowman
01-18-2015, 04:52 PM
As I said, I highly doubt that after so many generations Niall could keep a direct male-only line.

Why not?

oh-nahhh
01-18-2015, 04:53 PM
Best part."didn't want to tell anybody"
yeah, right.

Smaug
01-18-2015, 05:04 PM
Why not?

Why yes?

Longbowman
01-18-2015, 05:09 PM
Why yes?

Because they can write it down, et al. Even Jewish priests are mainly one haplogroup. No reason the lineage couldn't be interrupted. In fact, it wasn't, they all have the same YDNA, it's just different to what they thought.

Gooding
01-18-2015, 05:21 PM
It's never easy having to reorient your sense of identity. These fellows had lived over half a century believing their origins to be Irish when they were actually Norse ( Norwegian, presumably) and so they need to alter part of their sense of identity and mentally adjust to this new data.

Gaston
01-18-2015, 05:28 PM
I don't buy it until actual data is released.

Artek
01-18-2015, 05:44 PM
McNeills from Barra are R1a-Z284 (Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>CTS4179>YP276>L176.1) and R1b-DF27 (L165, more precisely).

Nothing new, just looked at FTDNA project.

Graham
01-18-2015, 06:17 PM
McNeills from Barra are R1a-Z284 (Z284>S4458>S5301>S5153>L448>CTS4179>YP276>L176.1) and R1b-DF27 (L165, more precisely).

Nothing new, just looked at FTDNA project.

It is new to people who don't read up on genetics.. Or interesting to people into that part of history. Scotland has a historical focus on tribal identities based off surnames, in part.. More than other Western nations.


L165 s linked to the MacLeods of known Norse heritage. Another well knows Hebridean clan found more to the East and North of MacNeil.

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2015, 12:30 PM
How do they know it is Norse? R1b-DF27 isn't Norse is it? Isn't that more common in Spain although I know it didn't originate there just like L21 didn't originate in Ireland? Proud Niall of the Nine Hostages descendant here. :) I'll have to read up more on it.

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2015, 01:39 PM
It's never easy having to reorient your sense of identity. These fellows had lived over half a century believing their origins to be Irish when they were actually Norse ( Norwegian, presumably) and so they need to alter part of their sense of identity and mentally adjust to this new data.

It can be difficult to adjust to change and let go of long held beliefs but I would prefer to know the truth and not be living a fantasy. Anyway these McNeils are still Scots and Gaels. The are just Gall-Ghaeils. Everyone would have some foreign ancestry if they looked at their family tree closely. Instead of being descended from an Irish warlord they are descended from a Norse warlord.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse%E2%80%93Gaels

Balmung
01-20-2015, 01:41 PM
Macneil's are belong to us now :evil

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2015, 01:47 PM
Macneil's are belong to us now :evil

Maybe they should start calling themselves Neilsen. :)