5.33 Ashkenazi on JTest

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I think it is very high for someone like me, of fully North European descent (with a little French thrown in, if that counts as South Euro).

Most typically North or West Euro people I see get around 1-2 percent. People with more South Euro ancestry sometimes get up 4 percent or higher, but I rarely see anyone who isn't Jewish with 5 percent or higher, and I am fully North Euro.

I may have some crypto-Jew ancestry very far down the line but there is no definitive proof that these ancestors were Jewish.

On 23andme the only thing that could point to Jewish ancestry is <0.1 Middle Eastern/North African but that could easily be noise. I mean if anything is noise, it's got to be something less than 0.1 percent. I don't have any Jewish cousins on 23andme.

I just think it's weird I get 5.33 percent. I should get like 2 percent at the highest considering my own background, like most fully North Euros get mostly 1-2 percent AJ.

What do you guys think?

[Hevo]

Shalom

[Gooding]

Le Chaim, ish!

[JoeyGee8688]

Five seems pretty high indeed. If I recall properly, I get 1.2% on the JTest and 0.4 but no MENA on 23&me.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Le Chaim, ish!

What does that mean?

[Gooding]

What does that mean?

" To Life, man!"

[Thrax]

I score 6.22 and my sister 8.53 with no jewish ancestry. I think it's just noise.

[Petalpusher]

A pygmy jew, that explains a lot.

Seriously i like to see people's Jtest but so far it doesn't look like it's a relevant test, just some weird middle eastern calculation it seems.

[Hevo]

A pygmy jew, that explains a lot.

Seriously i like to see people's Jtest but so far it doesn't look like it's a relevant test, just some weird middle eastern calculation it seems.

23andme's Ashkenazi scores are way more accurate and reliable. Jtest's Ashkenazi cluster is basically neolithic stuff.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I score 6.22 and my sister 8.53 with no jewish ancestry. I think it's just noise.

Interesting. I rarely ever see someone who has results like yours or especially your sisters!

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

A pygmy jew, that explains a lot.

Seriously i like to see people's Jtest but so far it doesn't look like it's a relevant test, just some weird middle eastern calculation it seems.

Interesting.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

23andme's Ashkenazi scores are way more accurate and reliable. Jtest's Ashkenazi cluster is basically neolithic stuff.

Man

the Neolithics must have been very...well, Jew-oid-ish

I find it really weird that Euros and Jews (well, Ashkenazis especially) are so close, at least in regard to their ancestors...it makes me wonder why we do not unite, it seems there is so much Euros have against Jews, and vice versa. The elitist Jews are trying to genocide Europeans, do they not know these are their Neolithic brethren :(

even though we are basically mulattoes (mixed with Mesolithics) Jews are more pure Neolithic.

[Beit El]

5.33 percent.

fully North European descent


Whatever you say, Jewboy.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Whatever you say, Jewboy.

Well, we know Thrax is more Jew than me :)

but I am more Jew than the typical Northern Euro

but according to Petalpusher, it just means Middle Eastern, Hevo says it's Neolithic (which all Europeans have).

So, I am not really a Jewboy.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Whatever you say, Jewboy.

So no, not a Jewboy, but Jew-shifted (to an extent). Just more than other North Euros.

[Beit El]

So no, not a Jewboy, but Jew-shifted (to an extent). Just more than other North Euros.

If you are circumcised you must also add 25% Jewish ancestry.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

If you are circumcised you must also add 25% Jewish ancestry.

So I'm 30.33 Jewish

[Beit El]

So I'm 30.33 Jewish

Shalom.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Shalom.

From Polako's blog:

"Obviously, it's best to compare with people from the same ethnic and/or regional groups. If the Ashkenazim + East Med scores look relatively inflated, that's a sign of recent Ashkenazim ancestry."

Well, compared to other people of my ethnic background, it is relatively inflated. :)

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Except I only get 0.07 percent East Med.

I literally have probably the least amount of East Med of most people in the world.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

http://i.imgur.com/1AW2tM2.png

So IDK how to figure this out but on 'admixture by chromosome' I get 13.8% Ashkenazi under '5'

[Gooding]

I'm not sure I'd put much faith in this calculator. It has me down as 4.16 Ashkenazi and reads my two populations approximation as 50% French + 50% South_and_Central Swedish @ 2.370390. It's not entirely clear to me how they arrive at these results.

[Catkin]

I get 0.91% Ashkenazi, but I think that's lower than usual. I wouldn't read too much into it if 23andMe doesn't show any.

[Ylla]

Except I only get 0.07 percent East Med.

I literally have probably the least amount of East Med of most people in the world.

Unlucky. ;)

ON topic, I think you're looking too deeply into the numbers. There's not that much difference between what you score and the "average" (far too low sampling) for your regions. Maybe it's picking up some distant MENA ancestry as 23andme does or considering your low East Med score, it's probably generic neolithic. If 23andme says you don't have Ashkenazi ancestry, then I suggest you trust them for now.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Unlucky. ;)

ON topic, I think you're looking too deeply into the numbers. There's not that much difference between what you score and the "average" (far too low sampling) for your regions. Maybe it's picking up some distant MENA ancestry as 23andme does or considering your low East Med score, it's probably generic neolithic. If 23andme says you don't have Ashkenazi ancestry, then I suggest you trust them for now.

That sounds good.

But why is it unlucky?

Nords and Celts are the best and especially when they mix together, but that's IMO

look at Slavs with their potato faces and wide eyes and big lips (Baltid traits) and then look at the swarthy East Meds with their pseudo-Jew looks, with their hook noses and big lips and face full of pimples, typical pizza deliverymen IMO

no offense of course ;D and of course there is variations, but in general

Nords have the perfect face, and Celts are also handsome. They are best when combined. There are not that many pure Nord-Celt mixes like me left, at least not in the USA. Most Nordo-Celts by this point have mixed with other diaspora groups, namely Poles, Italians...etc. I mean the people who say they are Irish or German in America, are almost always not purely that. They usually have some other East Med or Slavic something thrown in, that's how much America has become a melting pot.

I am a relic, a pure Nordo-Celtic mix going back since forever, with genetics to back it up..

[Longbowman]

No you are not of masterrace, Jtest is of misleading.

[Journeyman26]

Holy smokes.. I come up 7.29%. Must be just to do with the reference populations they use.

[Dylan]

I think the J-Test is just searching extra hard for Ashkenazi DNA in general. So its almost impossible to not find any. I wouldn't pay attention until it gets above 10. I'd like to see what actual Ashkenazi score on such a test. I got 4.36, but I know its unlikely that I'm 4.36% Ashkenazi.

[Longbowman]

23andme = accurate, JTest = not accurate.

I score like 27% on it.

[Mars06]

Congratulations! You're one of the tribe now.

http://asweetandsavorylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/matzo-balls_9999_16-500x334.jpg

You'll be having a lot of these in the future.

[JoeyGee8688]

23andme = accurate, JTest = not accurate.

I score like 27% on it.

On which, Jtest or 23?

[Longbowman]

On which, Jtest or 23?

JTest. 83.8% on 23andme. Full AJs get 95-100% AJ on 23andme.

[Petalpusher]

Except I only get 0.07 percent East Med.

I literally have probably the least amount of East Med of most people in the world.

You are in the average of EastMed and Red Sea for an Irish or southwest English. The only weird reading you have is 10.79 west asian. You should post the components instead of the Oracle, we are missing all the important stuff.

7.65 west asian on EUtest is also very high for a NorthWesterner.

The quizz : What population have high West Asian, low East med, red sea and south Asian but still a bit of N.Atlantic/Baltic to not make you drift so much from NorthWest Europe.

This is a real question. Maybe you have recent Balkar?

http://www.vehle.com/uploads/audio/punjabi-duet/4294_balkar-sidhu.jpg

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

No you are not of masterrace, Jtest is of misleading.

I see.

It seems like,

I get the least Slav, Jew, East_Med or East_Eurasian of almost anyone here,

I am obviously one of the purest Nordo-Celts left. This is amazing. I score very low East_Med (even Scandinavians score more than me) I score NO East Eurasian (so that means no Mongol) it looks like I have no Jew in me, and it also looks like most North Euros get more Slav than me. And finally, I get no SSA on 23andme. I am one of the purest Nordo-Celts.

Nords and Celts are the master race, not Jews

just because your people own the world, it does not make them master race. They are very smart, but it has to with them being the sons of merchants. It's not like more MENA admixture would really make Europeans smarter, it would have the opposite effect if anything.

TBH I don't think anyone is the master race, but we all have the right to preserve our culture, traditions, etc.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

You are in the average of EastMed and Red Sea for an Irish or southwest English. The only weird reading you have is 10.79 west asian. You should post the components instead of the Oracle, we are missing all the important stuff.

7.65 west asian on EUtest is also very high for a NorthWesterner.

The quizz : What population have high West Asian, low East med, red sea and south Asian but still a bit of N.Atlantic/Baltic to not make you drift so much from NorthWest Europe.

This is a real question. Maybe you have recent Balkar?

http://www.vehle.com/uploads/audio/punjabi-duet/4294_balkar-sidhu.jpg

lel.

are you sure my folk don't typically get this much west_asian?

how do i see the components? I only know oracle.

[Petalpusher]

You posted K13 once but i was concentrated on the Pygmy at that time, i missed the high West Asian.

Population
North_Atlantic 47.22%
Baltic 26.55%
West_Med 11.01%
West_Asian 10.79%
East_Med 1.93%
Red_Sea 0.47%
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.62%
Amerindian 0.14%
Oceanian 0.64%
Northeast_African 0.60%
Sub-Saharan -

West Asian is the most stable component in all North and West Europe, everybody gets 4-5-6 at best, except for Southern half Italians and very SouthEast Euro, but they also have high East med which something you don't have, so it cannot come from there. West Asian peeks in Caucasus.

Even the mixed mode detects it

1 90% Norwegian + 10% Ossetian @ 2.23
2 90.1% Norwegian + 9.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.35

Mate, we are onto something totally new here :eek:

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

You posted K13 once but i was concentrated on the Pygmy at that time, i missed the high West Asian.

Population
North_Atlantic 47.22%
Baltic 26.55%
West_Med 11.01%
West_Asian 10.79%
East_Med 1.93%
Red_Sea 0.47%
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.62%
Amerindian 0.14%
Oceanian 0.64%
Northeast_African 0.60%
Sub-Saharan -

West Asian is the most stable component in all North and West Europe, everybody gets 4-5-6 at best, except for Southern half Italians and very SouthEast Euro, but they also have high East med which something you don't have, so it cannot come from there. West Asian peeks in Caucasus.

Even the mixed mode detects it

1 90% Norwegian + 10% Ossetian @ 2.23
2 90.1% Norwegian + 9.9% North_Ossetian @ 2.35

Mate we are onto something totally new here :eek:

What's the average for my people, how much west_asian do they get?

[Petalpusher]

What's the average for my people, how much west_asian do they get?

Irish : 6.3
Germany : 6.8
Dutch : 5.9
Poland : 5.3
Norway : 5.6
France : 4.9
England : 4.7

Balkar : 45.3

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Irish : 6.3
Germany : 6.8
Dutch : 5.9
Norway : 5.6
France : 4.9
England : 4.7

Balkar : 45.3

I don't think it means I'm part Balkar.

[Petalpusher]

I don't think it means I'm part Balkar.

You can check the K13 thread, no one has that much West Asian without East-med.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69684-Eurogenes-K-13/page23

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

You can check the K13 thread, no one has that much West Asian without East-med.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?69684-Eurogenes-K-13/page23

Did you ever think maybe my ancestors just had more West Asian in them? I don't think it means one of my ancestors was Balkar, just my ancestors had more West Asian than what is typical (but not much more).

[Petalpusher]

Did you ever think maybe my ancestors just had more West Asian in them? I don't think it means one of my ancestors was Balkar, just my ancestors had more West Asian than what is typical (but not much more).

Well that's two times more, not +5%. I ve seen some Irish scoring around 7, but never almost 11%, this is a very stable euro component.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Well that's two times more, not +5%. I ve seen some Irish scoring around 7, but never almost 11%, this is a very stable euro component.

Okay well, I am not just Irish, I have heavy German and Scandinavian influence :)

[Petalpusher]

Okay well, I am not just Irish, I have heavy German and Scandinavian influence :)

That's people who have the same or even less West Asian with decimal variations, it comes from somewhere else. I ran some other gedmatch with your ID, your K15 mixed mode is the same, NorthWest Euro + Balkar/Chechen/Ossetian at low distances, there s consistency to it. It's a plausible explanation you have a GGG grandparent from there. Your East Med being very low, it doesn't come from South Europe nor standard neolithic stuff.

[Figaro]

The JTest has a bit of value but it honestly is not a great indicator of Ashkenazi (proper) ancestry. Like some folks before have said; it's mainly turned up to be a test of reading Neolithic stuff.

My explanation to this is that your Brit Islander side is a vehicle to these "readings" of yours. Stabilized ancient stuff.

I have 25% bonafide Ashkenazi ancestry backed up by family lore and all, and I only get like 4.75% Ashkenazi on the JTest. 23andme, on the other hand, gives my ma (who I get my Ashkenazi from) some amount of Ashkenazi across all modes (Speculative, Standard, and Conservative).

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

The JTest has a bit of value but it honestly is not a great indicator of Ashkenazi (proper) ancestry. Like some folks before have said; it's mainly turned up to be a test of reading Neolithic stuff.

My explanation to this is that your Brit Islander side is a vehicle to these "readings" of yours. Stabilized ancient stuff.

I have 25% bonafide Ashkenazi ancestry backed up by family lore and all, and I only get like 4.75% Ashkenazi on the JTest. 23andme, on the other hand, gives my ma (who I get my Ashkenazi from) some amount of Ashkenazi across all modes (Speculative, Standard, and Conservative).

Petalpusher seems to think I am a Balkar :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

but if my GGG grandparent was a Balkar as Petalpusher suggests, wouldn't I get more East Eurasian? I get the least of anyone here.

[Longbowman]

Nords and Celts are the master race, not Jews

just because your people own the world, it does not make them master race. They are very smart, but it has to with them being the sons of merchants. It's not like more MENA admixture would really make Europeans smarter, it would have the opposite effect if anything.

What, yes it does. It literally means just that. We are the masters of the world. We are the master race. Whether or not it comes from 'being the sons of merchants' which is a gross generalisation is not relevant. Neither is the racial make-up of Jews relevant. The only thing relevant is their position in the world - and their position is that of masters.

[Longbowman]

The JTest has a bit of value but it honestly is not a great indicator of Ashkenazi (proper) ancestry. Like some folks before have said; it's mainly turned up to be a test of reading Neolithic stuff.

My explanation to this is that your Brit Islander side is a vehicle to these "readings" of yours. Stabilized ancient stuff.

I have 25% bonafide Ashkenazi ancestry backed up by family lore and all, and I only get like 4.75% Ashkenazi on the JTest. 23andme, on the other hand, gives my ma (who I get my Ashkenazi from) some amount of Ashkenazi across all modes (Speculative, Standard, and Conservative).

How much?

[Figaro]

Petalpusher seems to think I am a Balkar :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkars

I'm not sure how exactly, but...what do I know...

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

What, yes it does. It literally means just that. We are the masters of the world. We are the master race. Whether or not it comes from 'being the sons of merchants' which is a gross generalisation is not relevant. Neither is the racial make-up of Jews relevant. The only thing relevant is their position in the world - and their position is that of masters.

Well I guess if you take 'master race' literally then I guess so

but I think of 'master race' more as meaning 'superior race'

just because Jews are our masters, it does not make them superior per se.

[Figaro]

How much?

Spec: 5.5% abouts, standard: 4.0% conservative: 2.5%.

Kind of puzzles me so few of percentage points...but for the record, the Vast majority (and I am not kidding) of my matches, regardless of coa selections, contain some amount of Ashkenazi names or ones heavily borrowed by them.

[Longbowman]

Well I guess if you take 'master race' literally then I guess so

but I think of 'master race' more as meaning 'superior race'

just because Jews are our masters, it does not make them superior per se.

Yes it does. Why does the slave think himself an equal of his owner? Impudent.

[Longbowman]

Spec: 5.5% abouts, standard: 4.0% conservative: 2.5%.

Kind of puzzles me so few of percentage points...but for the record, the Vast majority (and I am not kidding) of my matches, regardless of coa selections, contain some amount of Ashkenazi names or ones heavily borrowed by them.

Sounds like you're not 25% AJ. What about the rest?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Yes it does. Why does the slave think himself an equal of his owner? Impudent.

It's more Jews just got lucky :) you were at the right place at the right time

when Hollywood was just coming along, etc. many Jews were pioneers

for example.

[Longbowman]

It's more Jews just got lucky :) you were at the right place at the right time

when Hollywood was just coming along, etc. many Jews were pioneers

for example.

We're lucky every time? Why weren't non-Jews there? Jews were hardly the only people in California at the time. We're the trend-setters, the dream-makers, the innovators, the creators.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

We're lucky every time? Why weren't non-Jews there? Jews were hardly the only people in California at the time. We're the trend-setters, the dream-makers, the innovators, the creators.

I guess it's more a matter of opinion.

You didn't set all the trends,

most of my favorite things come from Gentiles, so it's probably a matter of opinion.

[Longbowman]

I guess it's more a matter of opinion.

You didn't set all the trends,

most of my favorite things come from Gentiles, so it's probably a matter of opinion.

Sure, but 0.2% of the population, ~30% of all the innovators and scientists and whatnot. No one else can boast that.

[Figaro]

Sounds like you're not 25% AJ. What about the rest?

I honestly do not know. I've always viewed it like some vague mix of JEw and Non-Jew, but it was called Jew anyway. I don't doubt the 25% is actually a distortion.

[Longbowman]

I honestly do not know. I've always viewed it like some vague mix of JEw and Non-Jew, but it was called Jew anyway. I don't doubt the 25% is actually a distortion.

If it's your mum's mum that was supposedly Jewish I'll count you as Chosen anyway.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

If it's your mum's mum that was supposedly Jewish I'll count you as Chosen anyway.

the chosen borreby.

[Journeyman26]

Sure, but 0.2% of the population, ~30% of all the innovators and scientists and whatnot. No one else can boast that.

You may have something there, seem to be a very intelligent people. I wonder if the fact that they rarely make up the population majority has anything to do with their success. It may funnel them towards "behind the curtains" careers such as academia and becoming entrepreneurs. Any way you look at it though, Jews do make up a significant amount of world shaping physicists and other thinkers.

[Longbowman]

You may have something there, seem to be a very intelligent people. I wonder if the fact that they rarely make up the population majority has anything to do with their success. It may funnel them towards "behind the curtains" careers such as academia and becoming entrepreneurs. Any way you look at it though, Jews do make up a significant amount of world shaping physicists and other thinkers.

Yes, the elite - of whatever group - need a large amount of regular people to do more menial jobs. Ashkenazis in Israel are not as intelligent as the ones in America or elsewhere as many are forced into menial jobs (when you're 35% of the population, there just aren't enough tertiary jobs for all of you). The same was probably true in the shtetls in Poland and Eastern Europe.

[Petalpusher]

but if my GGG grandparent was a Balkar as Petalpusher suggests, wouldn't I get more East Eurasian? I get the least of anyone here.

Simple calculation, if you take Balkar, or let's say Chechen as a Caucasian pop, they are 1,3% East Asian on average and 45% West asian. Divide this by 4 you get almost no East Asian anymore but about 11% West Asian. Add again one or two generations because the Irish/German/Norway or whatev are not 0 but 5-6-7% and you get to your reading.

I just saw the same thing than Gedmatch before i tried several of your mixed modes.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Simple calculation, if you take Balkar, or let's say Chechen as a Caucasian pop, they are 1,3% East Asian on average and 45% West asian. Divide this by 4 you get almost no East Asian anymore but about 11% West Asian. Add again one or two generations because the Irish/German/Norway or whatev are not 0 but 5-6-7% and you get to your reading.

I just saw the same thing than Gedmatch before i tried several of your mixed modes.

Well, on 23andme I'm 100 percent European except 0.1 East Asian & Native American as well as <0.1 Middle Eastern & North African.

[Hevo]

Did you ever think maybe my ancestors just had more West Asian in them? I don't think it means one of my ancestors was Balkar, just my ancestors had more West Asian than what is typical (but not much more).

Hard to say, i don't think one of your ancestors was a Balkar but i have never seen Northern Europeans with 10-11%, some Balkan countries + Tuscans score 10-11% West Asian.

[Petalpusher]

Well, on 23andme I'm 100 percent European except 0.1 East Asian & Native American as well as <0.1 Middle Eastern & North African.

Well that doesn't mean anything. A center Italian for example can get 15% West Asian and still come up 100% European, they just have the truck load of East med that comes with it. Caucasian is a basic block component of Europe. Your combination only hints at something more recent.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Well that doesn't mean anything. An Italian for example can get 15% West Asian and still come up 100% European, they just have the truck load of East med that comes with it. Caucasian is a basic block component of Europe. Your combination only hints at something more recent.

Does it mean Balkar for sure, or could it be any Caucasus group, such as Circassians?

My real question, is how would people from the Caucasus region sneak their way into my genetics? Was there a Caucasian presence in the lands of my ancestors, at any time that might have done this?

Also, many Caucasus people, are quite odd looking. Sometimes they look Asiatic, but they definitely don't have a European look anyways.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I wouldn't mind being Caucasian so much.

I mean look at this pretty Circassian model

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Sati_kazanova.jpg

[Petalpusher]

Does it mean Balkar for sure, or could it be any Caucasus group, such as Circassians?

My real question, is how would people from the Caucasus region sneak their way into my genetics? Was there a Caucasian presence in the lands of my ancestors, at any time that might have done this?

Also, many Caucasus people, are quite odd looking. Sometimes they look Asiatic, but they definitely don't have a European look anyways.

We are in the prospective here, you want to know what lies deep down in your genetic, you have it. It could be anything around, Gedmatch thinks it's Ossetian, Chechen or Balkar, it is using these pop most of the time.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

We are in the prospective here, you want to know what lies deep down in your genetic, you have it. It could be anything around, Gedmatch thinks it's Ossetian, Chechen or Balkar, it is using these pop most of the time.

Guys, is Petalpusher serious?

You know, PP, it's not nice to take advantage of someone like me who knows little to nothing about genetics! You've got me really thinking I must have recent ancestry from the Caucasus! If you're fooling, you better stop now.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Fine.

I will embrace stronk West_Asian genetics

Caucasus stronk

All you losers who don't get enough West_Asian bow down to superior Caucasian West Asian

[Petalpusher]

pfiou it took me half a day this time

http://s15.postimg.org/zcdj4b0i3/rsz_tabuafsipct20irystonma.jpg

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

pfiou it took me half a day this time

http://s15.postimg.org/zcdj4b0i3/rsz_tabuafsipct20irystonma.jpg

You are just jealous of my Caucasian genetics

we are noble people, noble race

unlike Europeans, especially Gauls like yourself

[Petalpusher]

You discover so many new cultures, that's the good thing.

Im open to any better explanation. Balkan doesn't work, their West asian would have vanished in one generation (and you would have way more East med)

[Not a Cop]

We are in the prospective here, you want to know what lies deep down in your genetic, you have it. It could be anything around, Gedmatch thinks it's Ossetian, Chechen or Balkar, it is using these pop most of the time.

I'd bet on Armenians, basicly it's only Caucasian nation with long history in Yurop.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I'd bet on Armenians, basicly it's only Caucasian nation with long history in Yurop.

I thought it was Balkar, or Ossetian or Chechen

not Armenian.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I'd bet on Armenians, basicly it's only Caucasian nation with long history in Yurop.

But you may be right.

[Not a Cop]

I thought it was Balkar, or Ossetian or Chechen

not Armenian.

I don't know about big migrations of those peoples untill very recent times, armenians on the other hand a well-known travellers.

[Petalpusher]

I'd bet on Armenians, basicly it's only Caucasian nation with long history in Yurop.

I was thinking about it too, it's somewhere in the region where west asian peeks. Gedmatch just use the highest W_Asian possible to balance things.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I was thinking about it too, it's somewhere in the region where west asian peeks. Gedmatch just use the highest W_Asian possible to balance things.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-120123-turks-armenians-ps.photoblog900.jpg

muh peepol