Are most Turks genetically closer to Bulgarians or to Afghans

[user_]

Also a pashtun wedding

https://youtu.be/g6R-6Rx14Mw
Pashtuns vary a lot in looks and so do pamiris.

Only strong euro looking in this video is the guy, and i watched another video of this couple, it seems that this guys mother is a white american :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay6VWw8JMrk

[Myanthropologies]

Only strong euro looking in this video is the guy, and i watched another video of this couple, it seems that this guys mother is a white american :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay6VWw8JMrk

He is not a white american, otherwise you would have seen a shit load of white americans at the wedding too. The bride also looked European and so did many others in the video.

[user_]

He is not a white american, otherwise you would have seen a shit load of white americans at the wedding too. The bride also looked European and so did many others in the video.

Anyway his mother is white american i'm 100% sure.

[Myanthropologies]

Anyway his mother is white american i'm 100% sure.

Lol she's not a white american you idiot. If she was, why was nobody else at the wedding a white american? I live in America and she doesn't look like an average white american.

You're clearly just being an obvious troll.

[Myanthropologies]

Only strong euro looking in this video is the guy, and i watched another video of this couple, it seems that this guys mother is a white american :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay6VWw8JMrk

On the other hand look at these pamiris


https://youtu.be/EbjGGPR5-sQ

[Myanthropologies]

More pamiri tajiks.

https://youtu.be/NfqziJmZQyQ

[Kamal900]

My oldest sister actually looks exactly like a pamiri tajik

Your other sister could pass in the Levant as well.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Did you get your answer through the 26 pages of bullshit?

Between Afghan Pashtuns and Bulgarians, Turks are definitely closer to Afghan Pashtuns(I specify Pashtuns because Afghan Hazara would be further), as well as Afghan Tajiks.

Looks to be around 65% Afghan Pashtun and 35% Bulgarian.

http://i65.tinypic.com/2pov3v7.png

If you don't want an ADMIXTURE plot, here's a PCA:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2rzxo4j.png

Now, that PCA plot doesn't show Afghan Pashtuns or Bulgarians, but I know forsure that Afghan Pashtuns would be significantly below Pathans on that plot, because they're more shifted towards Europeans/Levantines/Iranians everywhere else and the least shifted towards ASI of all South Asians. Bulgarians would be slightly above Romanians.

[wvwvw]

Some do, most don't. Me personally am too pale for even turkey and greece.

You deluded gypsy keep saying yourself that, in the end you might believe it.

[TheForeigner]

Bulgarians of course.

[Myanthropologies]

You deluded gypsy keep saying yourself that, in the end you might believe it.

Okay definitely for turk, but Idk about greeks. I didn't necessarily mean literally pale, but northern shifted rather

[Myanthropologies]

Bulgarians of course.

Lol

[TheForeigner]

Lol

Why LOL? Afghans are far away in South-Central Asia. Turks have a lot of Balkan admixture too.

[Danishmend]

Did you get your answer through the 26 pages of bullshit?

Between Afghan Pashtuns and Bulgarians, Turks are definitely closer to Afghan Pashtuns(I specify Pashtuns because Afghan Hazara would be further), as well as Afghan Tajiks.

Looks to be around 65% Afghan Pashtun and 35% Bulgarian.

If you don't want an ADMIXTURE plot, here's a PCA:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2rzxo4j.png

PCAs don't work that way. Turks can't be modelled as a mixture between Afghans and Bulgarians, Pashtuns have too much ASI, Bulgarians have too much NE European. The best fit for Turks is always Mediterrenean/West Asian and Central Asian (Turkmen) populations, in varying proportions of course.

[Myanthropologies]

Why LOL? Afghans are far away in South-Central Asia. Turks have a lot of Balkan admixture too.

Turks don't Ave a lot of balkan mixture, what are you talking? Turks cluster near Iranians, so you're basically saying iranians are closer to Bulgarians too

[Myanthropologies]

PCAs don't work that way. Turks can't be modelled as a mixture between Afghans and Bulgarians, Pashtuns have too much ASI, Bulgarians have too much NE European. The best fit for Turks is always Mediterrenean/West Asian and Central Asian (Turkmen) populations, in varying proportions of course.

Turkmens themselves have south asian admixture and so do anatolians as well. Maybe only a little but still. An pashtuns are central asians anyways.

[Imamudin]

People should consider that Anatolia is one of the first melting pots in history and was the destination of countless migrations, this is reflected in the genetic makeup of the modern Turkish population and can not be ignored. It is absurd and without any sense to press a mass of people together, of whom each has another background, only to force an answer. Especially in direct comparison with another ethnic cesspit such as Afghanistan.

[Trojka]

Turks don't Ave a lot of balkan mixture, what are you talking? Turks cluster near Iranians, so you're basically saying iranians are closer to Bulgarians too

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Neil-Patrick-Harris-Gun-to-Head.gif

[Myanthropologies]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Neil-Patrick-Harris-Gun-to-Head.gif

Pretty sure you're indian sick puppet.

[Trojka]

Pretty sure you're indian sick puppet.

No, i'm just sick of these afghan/south asian parasites attacking Europeans and try to make a division within the Euro-Christian community. You're a racially alien, subhuman who should slaughter himself as it's the best you could do for the Caucasoid race.

[meisje]

Did you get your answer through the 26 pages of bullshit?

Between Afghan Pashtuns and Bulgarians, Turks are definitely closer to Afghan Pashtuns(I specify Pashtuns because Afghan Hazara would be further), as well as Afghan Tajiks.

Looks to be around 65% Afghan Pashtun and 35% Bulgarian.

Turks are not one ethnic group, It includes Balkan Turks and Caucasian Turks also Turks are different in Western-Central and Eastern Turkey

8 million Balkan Turks are close to Bulgarians by far, Balkan Turks are even very different than Central Anatolian Turks

If you go to Eastern Anatolian Turks they would be close to Iranians and Afghans than Bulgarians

[Böri]

Turks are not one ethnic group, It includes Balkan Turks and Caucasian Turks also Turks are different in Western-Central and Eastern Turkey

8 million Balkan Turks are close to Bulgarians by far, Balkan Turks are even very different than Central Anatolian Turks

If you go to Eastern Anatolian Turks they would be close to Iranians and Afghans than Bulgarians

What? Turks are one ethnic as Turkish people go. There are levels of differences yet ultimately all Turks cluster with each other. Balkan Turks cluster between Anatolian Turks and Slavs so they have Turkish blood definitely from Turkmen/Anatolian Turkish colonists settled in the Balkans by Ottomans. Caucasus Turks? Who are they? Caucasus Tatars, aka Kipchak Karachays and Kumiks cluster very closely to Anatolian Turks. But if there are other 'Caucasus Turks, please let us know.

[Pennywise]

Did you get your answer through the 26 pages of bullshit?

Between Afghan Pashtuns and Bulgarians, Turks are definitely closer to Afghan Pashtuns(I specify Pashtuns because Afghan Hazara would be further), as well as Afghan Tajiks.

Looks to be around 65% Afghan Pashtun and 35% Bulgarian.



If you don't want an ADMIXTURE plot, here's a PCA:



Now, that PCA plot doesn't show Afghan Pashtuns or Bulgarians, but I know forsure that Afghan Pashtuns would be significantly below Pathans on that plot, because they're more shifted towards Europeans/Levantines/Iranians everywhere else and the least shifted towards ASI of all South Asians. Bulgarians would be slightly above Romanians.

Both Bulgarians and Afghans are genetically very distant to Turks, the comparison is silly to begin with. The OP's intention here is very clear: He doesn't need an answer to the question, he already made up his mind about that. He is trying to make a reverse psychology in order to make Afghans look some sort of a Caucasian stock by using Turks over CHG admixture levels. He intentionally ignores all the other different components.

[jackrussell]

I can't believe this thread has gone for sooo long ; Turks are Eurasians .

How hard is this to understand ?

[meisje]

What? Turks are one ethnic as Turkish people go. There are levels of differences yet ultimately all Turks cluster with each other. Balkan Turks cluster between Anatolian Turks and Slavs so they have Turkish blood definitely. Caucasus Turks? Who are they? Caucasus Tatars, aka Kipchak Karachays and Kumiks cluster very closely to Anatolian Turks. But if there are other 'Caucasus Turks, please let us know.

Balkan Turks are very different than Anatolian Turks, I mean about Caucasian Turks refer to Azeris and Qarapapak Turks of Kars-Ardahan-Iğdır

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/dna-and-genetics-of-turkic-people.jpg

[Böri]

Balkan Turks are very different than Anatolian Turks, I mean about Caucasian Turks refer to Azeris and Qarapapak Turks of Kars-Ardahan-Iğdır

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/dna-and-genetics-of-turkic-people.jpg

Yeah they are different as they are half half genetically yet they aren't a different ethnic group. Anyway Turks don't have a desire to be Bulgarian-like or brown/Pashtun-like as reference to thread topic.

[Myanthropologies]

Both Bulgarians and Afghans are genetically very distant to Turks, the comparison is silly to begin with. The OP's intention here is very clear: He doesn't need an answer to the question, he already made up his mind about that. He is trying to make a reverse psychology in order to make Afghans look some sort of a Caucasian stock by using Turks over CHG admixture levels. He intentionally ignores all the other different components.

That's not it at all. I'm just annoyed by Turks calling afghans pakis and South Asians as if they're so different from Afghans on a global scale, when they're not. In America, your people are grouped in the same category as Afghans. It's also hilarious that danishmed believes he is somehow closer to Turkmens genetically than Afghans are.

[Böri]

That's not it at all. I'm just annoyed by Turks calling afghans pakis and South Asians as if they're so different from Afghans on a global scale, when they're not. In America, your people are grouped in the same category as Afghans. It's also hilarious that danishmed believes he is somehow closer to Turkmens genetically than Afghans are.

Your people are 1/5 South Indian. Now it's time to drop OWD dreams and face the reality, My Paki friend.

[Myanthropologies]

It's funny how multiple pca plots have been presented but people still think they're closer to Bulgarians.

TheApricity: Where anything you want can magically become true if you have enough puppets

[Trojka]

Genetic maps are 2 dimensional, someone of 3/4 British 1/4 Nigerian will end up clustering Moroccans, but his genetic profile is completely different.

Pashtuns might be close to Turks, the same way Moroccans can end up close to South Europeans, but both Pashtuns and to a lesser extent Moroccans have a large chunk of Non Caucasoid ancestry which makes them very district and foreign among people of Full West Eurasian ancestry.

You'd think CHG carriers look similar to Pashtuns because the basal share is relatively high, but Georgians (highest CHG carriers) have nothing in common with Pashtuns

http://marinametreveli.ge/wp-content/gallery/Presentation%20dictionary-Tbilisi,%202006/Nino%20Burdjanadze,%20My%20students,%20Presentatio n%20dictionary-Tbilisi,%202006.JPG
https://cdn.chess24.com/WhF-4ExiRbWdUypdEXEAxg/original/nona.jpg
https://georgiaabout.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/994416_790232497660019_2060503651_n.jpg
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/baby-holds-georgian-flag-during-rally-stop-russia-in-kiev-on-1-2008-picture-id82618526

[Myanthropologies]

No, i'm just sick of these afghan/south asian parasites attacking Europeans and try to make a division within the Euro-Christian community. You're a racially alien, subhuman who should slaughter himself as it's the best you could do for the Caucasoid race.

Only an indian would care about that word

[Pennywise]

That's not it at all. I'm just annoyed by Turks calling afghans pakis and South Asians as if they're so different from Afghans on a global scale, when they're not. In America, your people are grouped in the same category as Afghans. It's also hilarious that danishmed believes he is somehow closer to Turkmens genetically than Afghans are.

It's not just Turks but pretty much everyone else in here think the same. Turks have nothing to do with Pakis, Afghans or South Asians. No one cares what Americans think about other peoples in the world, it is their ignorancy. It's also funny to see how you've built your own world based on the precious views of Americans. I understand you need a company (someone like you) in this Eurocentrist forum but Turks are not a good option to pick. You just need to deal with the terms.

[Danishmend]

Just ignore this depigmented kıro's threads.

1600 posts only in 2 months and 90% of them are about Pashtuns being North Caucasians with only 0,000000000000000000000001% South Asian admixture. This guy is sick.

[Wrong]

Bulgarians. The Ancient Turkic Bulgar link brings them closer.

[Vyasa]

They're close to fucking Bulgar assholes.

[meisje]

Yeah they are different as they are half half genetically yet they aren't a different ethnic group. Anyway Turks don't have a desire to be Bulgarian-like or brown/Pashtun-like as reference to thread topic.

They are Ethno-regional group as Balkan Turks that their Genetics are very different than Anatolian Turks, I did not refer to race when

I said ethnic group, Term Ethnic Group has 5 different meanings as Ethno-linguistic, Ethno-national, Ethno-racial,Ethno-regional, Ethno-Religious

[Root]

The average pashtun is between both north indians and North caucasians, and both the average north caucasian and turk are genetically (and phenotypically for Turks) closer to Afghans than to Balkanic people.

Are people gonna start saying Iranians are closer to Europeans too?



Afghans and other indotajiks have nothing to do with us, Northcaucasians

[Registan]

It's not just Turks but pretty much everyone else in here think the same. Turks have nothing to do with Pakis, Afghans or South Asians. No one cares what Americans think about other peoples in the world, it is their ignorancy. It's also funny to see how you've built your own world based on the precious views of Americans. I understand you need a company (someone like you) in this Eurocentrist forum but Turks are not a good option to pick. You just need to deal with the terms.

Stop claiming to be from Khorasan then. You're not Khorasani. POSER.

[Böri]

They are Ethno-regional group as Balkan Turks that their Genetics are very different than Anatolian Turks, I did not refer to race when

I said ethnic group, Term Ethnic Group has 5 different meanings as Ethno-linguistic, Ethno-national, Ethno-racial,Ethno-regional, Ethno-Religious

Maybe yea. They aren't a different ethnic group in the end of the day. When you say different ethnic group, People here think of groups like Albanians, Circassians, Zazas, Arabs, Laz etc are different ethnic groups than Turks. Balkan Turks are an extension of the Turkish nation, historically called Anatolian Turks.

[Myanthropologies]

Afghans and other indotajiks have nothing to do with us, Northcaucasians

How are mods continously re allowing these obvious sock puppets on here?

[Myanthropologies]

People are still saying theyre closer to Bulgarians lol. No science just "Bulgarians obviously." Everyone who said afghan had pcas

[Root]

How are mods continously re allowing these obvious sock puppets on here?



Im not a sockpupet you little troll, I born, raised and live in Northcaucasus. I joined the forum via google.com. Any questions?

[Myanthropologies]

Just ignore this depigmented kıro's threads.

1600 posts only in 2 months and 90% of them are about Pashtuns being North Caucasians with only 0,000000000000000000000001% South Asian admixture. This guy is sick.

You're sick. You always try to make pashtuns look more south asian shifted than they really are, which is why you chose that bad oracle, but the minute someone mentions the fact that you're closer to pashtuns than to Bulgarians, you get butthurt. You are closer to "South asian" people than you think might. And then on top of that, you magically believe that Turkmens are closer to Anatolians than to pashtuns based off one oracle. They don't even see themselves as ethnically closer to you than to Afghans despite being "turkic." You're the most delusional person ever.

[Myanthropologies]

Im not a sockpupet you little troll, I born, raised and live in Northcaucasus. I joined the forum via google.com. Any questions?

Show us your face. You should Skype me too

[morski]

Afghans probably.

[Pahli]

This fucking thread ... I actually didn't mind TA being down if we avoided cringy shit like this.

[user_]

What make Turks and Pashtuns plot somehow closer on genetic maps? Is it CHG?
Okay, than Georgians have higest CHG in the world, higher than Turks they are almost pure. You want to say that Georgians look more like Pathans than Bulgarians?
http://b.pix.ge/n/gqvgz.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

[Myanthropologies]

What make Turks and Pashtuns plot somehow closer on genetic maps? Is it CHG?
Okay, than Georgians have higest CHG in the world, higher than Turks they are almost pure. You want to say that Georgians look more like Pathans than Bulgarians?
http://b.pix.ge/n/gqvgz.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

I'm talking about genetics, not looks. And pathans are not the same thing as afghan pashtuns dummy. Yes, you're genetically closer to Afghan Pashtuns than you are to Bulgarians, but phenotypically much much closer to Bulgarians. The genetics is because of shared CHG and PIE.

[user_]

I'm talking about genetics, not looks. And pathans are not the same thing as afghan pashtuns dummy. Yes, you're genetically closer to Afghan Pashtuns than you are to Bulgarians, but phenotypically much much closer to Bulgarians. The genetics is because of shared CHG and PIE.

Dont be angry, i'm really interested in central asian populations with hight caucasian genes.
I really see Georgian faces among Pamiri people and it's amazing, there are so many nationalities between us which re very different.
Now my dream is to travel to Tajikistan :)
I know most of them look central asian, but when i see some georgian faces in Pamir Mountains which is far away from Caucasus, i am amazed :)

[Registan]

Dont be angry, i'm really interested in central asian populations with hight caucasian genes.
I really see Georgian faces among Pamiri people and it's amazing, there are so many nationalities between us which re very different.
Now my dream is to travel to Tajikistan :)
I know most of them look central asian, but when i see some georgian faces in Pamir Mountains which is far away from Caucasus, i am amazed :)

They don't care about Georgians, get over yourself.

[user_]

They don't care about Georgians, get over yourself.
Are you Pamiri Tajik?
oh, i see you are from Samarqand, Uzbek?

[Registan]

Are you Pamiri Tajik?
oh, i see you are from Samarqand, Uzbek?

No. Samarqand is a Tajik city.

[wvwvw]

By saying middle eastern I don't mean Arab. Who is an Arab? To me it's southern Iraqis, Saudis and Gulf arabs.

Middle east means that diverse groups of that region share similar pigmentation and cultural traits. A middle easterner can be a Turk, a Kurd, an Iranian, an Assyrian, a Lebanese, a Syrian, a Palestinian.

All those groups have distinct features and you can tell them apart.

To me they are not Caucasians who are a different group which includes Georgians, Armenians, Chechens, Circassians....All those are very diverse but Caucassian nevertheless.

[Böri]

By saying middle eastern I don't mean Arab. Who is an Arab? To me it's southern Iraqis, Saudis and Gulf arabs.

Middle east means that diverse groups of that region share similar pigmentation and cultural traits. A middle easterner can be a Turk, a Kurd, an Iranian, an Assyrian, a Lebanese, a Syrian, a Palestinian.

All those groups have distinct features and you can tell them apart.

To me they are not Caucasians who are a different group which includes Georgians, Armenians, Chechens, Circassians....All those are very diverse but Caucassian nevertheless.

":- seriously? Turks aren't Middle Easterner. And Armenians (very Assyrian-like) are like 100 times more MENA than Turks. No need to mention Hellenic Cypriots. Middle East ends somewhere inside Turkey, but without covering areas where Turks live.

[Wrong]

":- seriously? Turks aren't Middle Easterner. And Armenians (very Assyrian-like) are like 100 times more MENA than Turks. No need to mention Hellenic Cypriots.
Armenians mingled with Assyrians since post-ancient times.

[user_]

No. Samarqand is a Tajik city.

Good, but now it belongs to Uzbekistan, thats why i thought you was Uzbek.
Pamiri kids.
http://b.pix.ge/p/j7ud7.jpg (http://pix.ge/)

[wvwvw]

":- seriously? Turks aren't Middle Easterner. And Armenians (very Assyrian-like) are like 100 times more MENA than Turks. No need to mention Hellenic Cypriots. Middle East ends somewhere inside Turkey, but without covering areas where Turks live.

The term middle easterner is the combination of many things together. Turkey fits all the criteria.

I repeat a middle easterner is not an arab with a brown complexion. They are all very different and diverse but still middle eastern. First of all because of geography and for cultural reasons.

You automatically assume I am comparing you to an Indo-Iranian or an Arab by calling you middle easterner but I am not.

Hellenic Cypriots are in the middle east. But also in southern europe because all islands in the mediterranean have historically been considered European.

Just like everyone in the Balkans does not wanna be Balkan it seems that no middle eastern wants to be middle eastern. But middle eastern does not mean having a kiro look only, it includes people who look light, are blue eyed etc.

When I think middle easteen i normally think of ancient people, Assyrians, Medes, Phoenicians, Hittanis etc.

There's no shame in being middle eastern!

[Hadouken]

:lol:

[wvwvw]

":- seriously? Turks aren't Middle Easterner. And Armenians (very Assyrian-like) are like 100 times more MENA than Turks. No need to mention Hellenic Cypriots. Middle East ends somewhere inside Turkey, but without covering areas where Turks live.

The middle east includes people who are less mena like Turks and Cypriots. Southern Europe includes Greeks and Southern Italians who are more mena than say Iberians. Balkans includes Albanians and Greeks who are more mena than Serbs. So what.

[wvwvw]

:lol:

I hope you're not laughing at me ;)

[Kubik]

all these groups being discussed in the thread are seen as low class undesirables in the U.S.. Bulgarians and Turks (and the others). :rotfl:

[Trojka]

The middle east includes people who are less mena like Turks and Cypriots. Southern Europe includes Greeks and Southern Italians who are more mena than say Iberians. Balkans includes Albanians and Greeks who are more mena than Serbs. So what.

Greeks, South Italians are as Beduin/Arabian shifted as Turks, even more in the case of Sicilians, Greek Islanders, Cypriots. You're by no any scientifical means less Near Eastern genetically than Anatolian Turks are.

[wvwvw]

Greeks, South Italians are as Beduin/Arabian shifted as Turks, even more in the case of Sicilians, Greek Islanders, Cypriots. You're by no any scientifical means less Near Eastern genetically than Anatolian Turks are.

Beduin shifted? Ask me if I give a rats ass lol

Fact is that we are what we are.

This is not a competition about who is more steppe like and Aryan. First prove that Greeks or S.Italians have ever looked like Swedes, Germans or Finns.

It is precisely the mix of genes and admixture that makes us unique. The fact that Greeks and S.Italians are European as in Southern European is not a matter of opinion but a fact that cannot change.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Greeks, South Italians are as Beduin/Arabian shifted as Turks, even more in the case of Sicilians, Greek Islanders, Cypriots. You're by no any scientifical means less Near Eastern genetically than Anatolian Turks are.
WRONG.

i thought so many people could contribute to thread with actual information if there is a question out there. but i see most didnt take serious obviously and those who did -- they went with improper plots and nothing worthy. myanthropologies, i believe you will understand me well once you read this. i think some plots (you used a dstat pca actually, its testing some thing else) made you confused and some people can be trollish so you might think they is attacking you but what some of them wrote was true while some not. first let me start with a recent calculator. no calculators perfect but this one can give some best idea when it come to these populations (because of relevance of ancestral components):


<tbody>


ANATO
NEO
CHGEEF
EHG
IRAN
NEO
ANCES
IND
SE
ASIA
SIB
NATUF
SHGWHG
POLAR
KARIT
PAP
SSA


Pak. Pashtun


0.600%




13.045%




10.508%




39.693%




30.035%




0.112%




0.452%




1.246%




2.088%




0.922%




0.509%




0.655%




0.128%




Afghan Pashtun


1.185%




18.383%




11.147%




36.888%




19.845%




1.682%




2.132%




3.017%




2.975%




0.623%




0.778%




0.842%




0.495%




Afghan Tajik


1.775%




22.170%




14.439%




29.045%




14.251%




3.862%




4.903%




2.737%




3.274%




1.598%




1.406%




0.446%




0.093%




Afghan Hazara


1.469%




11.673%




6.550%




17.389%




10.054%




22.467%




24.409%




1.857%




1.779%




0.549%




1.111%




0.582%




0.109%




Iranian Mazand.


4.319%




23.554%




4.143%




44.874%




7.477%




1.235%




0.839%




11.491%




0.383%




0.381%




0.593%




0.295%




0.414%




Iranian Lori


8.611%




21.633%




4.649%




39.710%




4.170%




1.089%




1.767%




15.799%




0.468%




0.981%




0.498%




0.253%




0.369%




Bulgarian


18.759%




40.240%




11.312%




8.008%




1.300%




0.119%




0.711%




7.842%




9.708%




0.614%




0.367%




0.768%




0.253%




Greek
20.770%
37.360%
6.949%
12.839%
0.197%
0.366%
0.247%
11.821%
7.539%
0.475%
0.766%
0.426%
0.247%


Turkish Bal.


13.953%




30.162%




4.493%




22.272%




0.662%




5.065%




8.305%




9.412%




3.602%




0.498%




0.650%




0.662%




0.263%




Turkish Ayd.


12.716%




28.216%




3.819%




22.866%




0.687%




4.667%




9.143%




11.929%




3.256%




0.690%




1.110%




0.506%




0.400%



</tbody>

a neo: based on neolithic anatolia genomes
chg eef: common spns between paleolithic-mesolithic south caucasus hunter gatherer genomes and early european farmers
ehg: eastern hunter gatherers
iran neo: neolithic iran territory genome
ances ind: ancestral indian (ancient south indian/asi) based on kusunda of nepal
se asian: south east asian
sib: siberian
natuf: natufian (of epipaleolithic levant)
shg/whg: shared snps between scandinavian hunter gatherers (they are like half ehg half whg but this component based on common snps) and paleolithic western hunter gatherers
karit: karitiana
ssa: sub saharan african
pap: papuan
polar: peaks in chukchi and eskimo
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the admixture proportions is there, its easy to interpret. other than that secondly i tried if i can model any turkish samples as mixture of bulgarian and some folks in afghanistan. if we choose pashtuns which is populous in country. of course given very differentiated admixtures they all have, it would be last resort but i tried this based on alleles of above calculator. only one of samples worked relatively better due lower fst which is turkish trabzon and the result is : 77 % bulgarian (43% + 34%) + 23 afghan pashtun (15 % + 8 %). all the others got less than 77 % bulgarian but given higher north east eurasian they have which pashtuns dont (unless we count some recent mixed ones, with tajiks or hazara) the confidence level is much less.

still as third, we can look at the top 25 oracles of these populations from calculators them selves to make it reliable (not individual results with various distances) but i couldnt find afghan pashtun directly but only pakistani pashtun from dodecad (not the calculator above), also burusho, kalash, makrani and iranian if that helps.


[1,] "Pathan" "0"
[2,] "Kashmiri_Pandit" "7.3986"
[3,] "Pakistani" "7.4853"
[4,] "Burusho" "7.9574"
[5,] "Sindhi" "8.7401"
[6,] "Balochi" "12.1733"
[7,] "Bnei_Menashe_Jews" "13.5444"
[8,] "Brahui" "13.6356"
[9,] "Makrani" "17.2311"
[10,] "Cochin_Jews" "19.3696"
[11,] "Vaish" "19.5159"
[12,] "Kalash" "19.5908"
[13,] "Meghawal" "19.9344"
[14,] "TN_Brahmin" "23.4534"
[15,] "AP_Brahmin" "24.4853"
[16,] "Srivastava" "24.5071"
[17,] "Nepalese" "25.167"
[18,] "Indian" "26.6323"
[19,] "Velama" "28.9762"
[20,] "Tharu" "29.6128"
[21,] "Lodi" "32.044"
[22,] "Hallaki" "35.0137"
[23,] "Naidu" "35.6624"
[24,] "Satnami" "37.4773"
[25,] "Iranians" "38.9773"

for burusho it was similar to keep it short:

[1,] "Burusho" "0"
[2,] "Kashmiri_Pandit" "5.6815"
[3,] "Pathan" "7.9574"
[4,] "Pakistani" "8.0467"
[5,] "Sindhi" "9.5776"

for iranians

[1,] "Iranians" "0"
[2,] "Kurd" "8.4652"
[3,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "12.569"
[4,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "13.8849"
[5,] "Assyrian" "16.8511"
[6,] "Iranian_Jews" "14.6901"
[7,] "Iraq_Jews" "16.6535"
[8,] "Syrians" "20.5699"
[9,] "Druze" "20.6"
[10,] "Lebanese" "22.9048"
[11,] "Makrani" "23.8004"
[12,] "Palestinian" "24.1139"
[13,] "Samaritians" "25.0884"
[14,] "Jordanians" "25.9112"
[15,] "Brahui" "27.4"
[16,] "Balochi" "28.5184"
[17,] "Cypriots" "31.8853"
[18,] "Yemenese" "33.043"
[19,] "Morocco_Jews" "33.3224"
[20,] "Georgians" "33.3294"

[1,] "Makrani" "0"
[2,] "Brahui" "4.7854"
[3,] "Balochi" "5.7966"
[4,] "Pashtun" "17.2311"
[5,] "Kalash" "19.2148"
[6,] "Bnei_Menashe_Jews" "19.5028"
[7,] "Kashmiri_Pandit" "21.3876"
[8,] "Sindhi" "22.0604"
[9,] "Burusho" "22.2466"
[10,] "Pakistani" "22.5047"
[11,] "Iranians" "23.8004"
[12,] "Kurd" "25.8836"
[13,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "29.0041"
[14,] "Cochin_Jews" "31.5704"
[15,] "Iranian_Jews" "32.916"
[16,] "Meghawal" "34.1059"
[17,] "Nepalese" "34.7671"
[18,] "Iraq_Jews" "35.4581"
[19,] "Brahmin" "37.1278"
[20,] "Assyrian" “38.0606"


but i really dont like using oracles as if it shows the real distance between populations. the oracle is just for guessing your ethnichity and to do this it can only use the snps from limited populations included in the calculator (if relative pops not included then you can have very irrelevant one as the second option too, though this one i posted is not that bad in terms of this). and if oracle guesses it right and you get your known ethnichity in first place with a proper fst then you should almost totally ignore the rest of list. the fsts in mds analysis can give idea on actual distance between calculator components for instance but oracle fsts are not really distance because if you assume you are quarter siberian the pops in your oracles would most likely be from those with siberian admix because it treats you as some thing plus siberian but if it wasnt for this you could have many other options. also keep mind, you can have a pop in third rank for istance but that pop can have your folk in the tenth rank in its oracles.

as the last option, you can look at pca plot which is the least accurate because its the one that misses the most. (as i told you above, myanthropologies, you already posted some two plots and say it shows whos close to whom but it was not a pca plot in that sense. it was a pca plot of dstats from eurogenes, but a specific kind of it where it tests some thing else. it was a plot checking affinity to some chosen population, like this:

(atp2 vs, yamnaya) -- we cant look at these plots and say if the dot is close to other then the two pop is close to each other. NO not even close. here is one other from the same page that you found that dstat plot. look, according to that logic some north black sea turk is closer to all spanish regions than their other turkish countrymen. but it doesnt say because its a very irrelevant type of plot in this case. i dont know how else to explain to you.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kFro20gzusE/Vfp-8KrE2FI/AAAAAAAADaE/5jCHq5zmwwc/s1206/ATP2_vs_Yamnaya.png
so ignore this plot please.

but if you want to look at a pca based on a comprehensive admixture components then there are some 2d but you shouldnt completely rely on them either, most of them are not run using snps but admixture percentages in the spread sheet. this way ignores the relationship between the admixture components and many other stuff. thats why you can have a half amerindian half sub saharan african person plot in exactly same place with half bangladeshi and half french person. im giving you the example because the eurogenes k15 pca exactly shows this and its the worst pca around (xenophobicrussian used). its very misleading because one with excess of ssa and amerindian is definitely not close to one with excess asi and whats in west european. but according to pca it is because some thing pushes you right, some thing to bottom and they end up there despite all those different snps (and imagine how they would look like by phenotype).

https://s25.postimg.org/fmqey0axb/plot.png
https://s25.postimg.org/n1b5cn7f3/pca.pnghttps://s25.postimg.org/o69svrj9r/plot.jpg
https://s25.postimg.org/5rz9rs6z3/pca.jpg
https://s25.postimg.org/9pmjh6tsf/pca.jpg

these can give some ideas allthough not all relevant folks are included here. but i still suggest you to check the proportions in spread sheets rather than other stuff. there is also one thing i want to show you -- if i find it ill post it here. thats another way of comparing different ethnichities -- its about recent genetic drifts shared by populations. though i think these are already quite helpful.

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[Petalpusher]

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kFro20gzusE/Vfp-8KrE2FI/AAAAAAAADaE/5jCHq5zmwwc/s1206/ATP2_vs_Yamnaya.png

I just wanted to point out, i've seen a lot of these plots posted lately but those aren't really pca, they are plotted dstats, just testing two clines in particular, sometimes it looks more or less like a real pca, most of the time it doesn't, cause of course you cannot be defined solely on 2 affinities, specially not something like Yamnaya and Bedouin alone. It's interesting to see which pop a country prefers but people shouldn't use them for distance matters between countries, although yes you can see who has more affinity with Bedouin, and clearly Greeks have less, nothing surprising here. Going up is more Yamnaya and going left is more Bedouin (more basal really)

I just wanted to point out, i've seen a lot of these plots posted lately but those aren't really pca, they are plotted dstats, just testing two clines in particular, sometimes it looks more or less like a real pca, most of the time it doesn't, cause of course you cannot be defined solely on 2 affinities, specially not some like that.

exactly, thats exactly what i told above and on other thread just before: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?191194-Iranians-closer-to-Bulgarians-or-to-Afghans&p=3971760&viewfull=1#post3971760.

its based on dstat and particularly it is testing atp2 (copper age sample) affinity against yamnaya -- which is completely irrelevant to see whos genetically closer to whom among dotted pops.

ps. i just saw you edited your post. its actually not bedouin vs yamnaya test, what it tests is copper age spain (atp2) vs yamnaya affinity. the ones who have more affinity to yamnaya is located above the red line while the ones who have affinity to copper age iberian is located below the red line. ju huan, bedouinb, x (probably chimp) are used here on both axis not as target as you know. so going left is not bedouin, if any thing it would be going down but its not about that. for instance in the above line, we see russians actually having more yamnaya affinity than hungarians do and less copper age spain affinity than hungarian do (not like russian is relatively more bedouin affinity than hungarian because hungarian plots right to russian)

[Root]

Show us your face. You should Skype me too

No problem, ill skype you very soon and ill prove to you that you're nothing else than a blind obsessed teenager posting some weird statements

[Myanthropologies]

WRONG.

Some sicilians score saudis in their oracles though. I've never seen that of a turk. Greeks are definitely not more mena than Turks though.

[Turkminator]

I've always wondered how Turks and Afghans compared. They both have some of the highest levels of European influence in that whole Islamic world "MENA" region (along with maybe some isolated berber tribes), but the difference seems to be that Turks are sligtly mixed with some SW Asian, and Afghans are slightly mixed with some South Asian. Turks also seem to have a lot more of that Natufian stuff, too.

This question just interested me. Turks have shared ancestry with Balkanic, and I assume they may have some shared ancestry with Afghans too, so I was wondering how they compare. Despite all the hate on this site, you have to admit that Turks are cool people.

This question isn't meant to offend anyone, I'm just genuinely curious.

Mowgli, do me a favor and publish your DNA results. Then we'll see where you belong.

[Babak]

Some sicilians score saudis in their oracles though. I've never seen that of a turk. Greeks are definitely not more mena than Turks though.

im just wondering why you think pashtuns are closer to georgians than south asians lol

[Governor]

Turks genetically closer to Caucasian nations such as Azeris, Armenians, Georgians and also close to Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians and lesser Turkish people close to Balkan nations and Italians.

[Myanthropologies]

im just wondering why you think pashtuns are closer to georgians than south asians lol

First of all, what is south asians? Pashtuns are definitely closer to Georgians than they are to South Indians, Gujuratis, Sri Lankans, Burmese, Nepalian, Bangladeshi, etc (pretty much 99% of South Asians). Most pashtuns are genetically closer to west asian groups than they are to even punjabis. They feel close to neither south asians or Georgians.

[Pennywise]

First of all, what is south asians? Pashtuns are definitely closer to Georgians than they are to South Indians, Gujuratis, Sri Lankans, Burmese, Nepalian, Bangladeshi, etc (pretty much 99% of South Asians). Most pashtuns are genetically closer to west asian groups than they are to even punjabis. They feel close to neither south asians or Georgians.

Can you please post your Gedmatch oracle results so we can see how much closer you to Caucasian populations?

[Babak]

First of all, what is south asians? Pashtuns are definitely closer to Georgians than they are to South Indians, Gujuratis, Sri Lankans, Burmese, Nepalian, Bangladeshi, etc (pretty much 99% of South Asians). Most pashtuns are genetically closer to west asian groups than they are to even punjabis. They feel close to neither south asians or Georgians.

huh

[Milo]

First of all, what is south asians? Pashtuns are definitely closer to Georgians than they are to South Indians, Gujuratis, Sri Lankans, Burmese, Nepalian, Bangladeshi, etc (pretty much 99% of South Asians). Most pashtuns are genetically closer to west asian groups than they are to even punjabis. They feel close to neither south asians or Georgians.
lol

[Pahli]

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2ymtah1.jpg

Look here, Afghan Pashtuns are close to South Asians however they are one of the least South Asian admixed among the South Asian ethnicities and are closer to the Caucasians than the other South Asian ethnicities, but Pashtuns are still closer to South Asia than Caucasus.

[Myanthropologies]

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2ymtah1.jpg

Look here, Afghan Pashtuns are close to South Asians however they are one of the least South Asian admixed among the South Asian ethnicities and are closer to the Caucasians than the other South Asian ethnicities, but Pashtuns are still closer to South Asia than Caucasus.

lol



im just wondering why you think pashtuns are closer to georgians than south asians lol

No they aren't. That pca is stupid. I don't know why people STILL believe this lol
Afghan oracle (s)

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 5,356033
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 7,454045
3 Tadjik @ 9,063714
4 Pathan @ 11,778725
5 Afghan_Uzbek @ 13,225575
6 Afghan_Tadjik @ 13,379507
7 Brahui @ 13,672045
8 Burusho @ 14,081902
9 Lezgin @ 14,364709
10 Balochi @ 15,107577
11 Chechen @ 16,474325
12 GujaratiA @ 17,098363
13 Kalash @ 17,446236
14 Kumyk @ 18,13644
15 Balkar @ 18,34782
16 North_Ossetian @ 18,371049
17 Adygei @ 18,441658
18 Brahmin_UP @ 19,946317
19 Turkmen @ 21,949385
20 Punjabi @ 22,115596
259 iterations.

Noise dispersion set to 0,676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tajik_Pomiri @ 5,781324
2 Afghan_Pashtun @ 6,089563
3 Pathan @ 7,423369
4 Tadjik @ 7,725951
5 Kalash @ 9,694051
6 Afghan_Uzbek @ 10,583689
7 Afghan_Tadjik @ 10,606791
8 Burusho @ 10,638608
9 GujaratiA @ 11,559264
10 Brahui @ 11,918173
11 Balochi @ 12,529396
12 Kumyk @ 13,44837
13 Turkmen @ 14,266564
14 Balkar @ 14,515
15 North_Ossetian @ 14,732751
16 Nogai @ 15,432176
17 Afghan_Turkmen @ 15,515495
18 Brahmin_UP @ 15,769253
19 Iranian @ 15,813125
20 Adygei @ 15,835659
259 iterations.


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Tadjik 8.64
2 Afghan_Pashtun 8.65
3 Tadjik 9.92
4 Turkmen 13.8
5 Makrani 16.4
6 Burusho 16.91
7 Pathan 17.14
8 Kalash 17.83
9 Balochi 19.36
10 Brahui 19.82
11 Kumyk 19.87
12 Iranian 20.81
13 Azeri 20.85
14 Kabardin 21.58
15 Balkar 21.67
16 Tabassaran 21.85
17 Kurdish 21.94
18 Punjabi_Jat 22.12
19 Chechen 22.14
20 Lezgin 22.27

****In comparison to turks****
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun (derived) 10.19
2 Tadjik (derived) 11.97
3 Turkmen (derived) 12.54
4 Pathan (derived) 13.33
5 Parsi (derived) 14.21
6 Burusho (derived) 14.85
7 Balochi (derived) 15.11
8 Makrani (derived) 15.79
9 Brahui (derived) 16.5
10 Azeri (derived) 19.74
11 Kumyk (derived) 19.94
12 Sindhi (derived) 20.32
13 Iranian (derived) 20.49
14 Nogai (derived) 20.64
15 Uzbek (derived) 21.15
16 Cirkassian (derived) 21.68
17 Balkarian (derived) 22.07
18 Kabardinian (derived) 22.12
19 Kurd (derived) 22.15
20 Turk (derived) 22.53

Pashtuns are just as genetically removed from Punjabis as they are from Turks and Kurds. And I'm pretty sure that that 22 distance from the Turk is much closer than the average Turk would get to a Bulgarian.

I don't know why people are so ignorant about pashtuns genetically, phenotypically, etc, even though Registan, I, and owight post oracles, family members etc.

Gujurati A is half west eurasian and Pashtuns are closer to Iranians, kurds, Azeris, North Caucasians, etc (genetically than they are to punjabis and even sindhis some of the time).

[Pahli]

No they aren't. That pca is stupid. I don't know why people STILL believe this lol
Afghan oracle (s)

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 5,356033
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 7,454045
3 Tadjik @ 9,063714
4 Pathan @ 11,778725
5 Afghan_Uzbek @ 13,225575
6 Afghan_Tadjik @ 13,379507
7 Brahui @ 13,672045
8 Burusho @ 14,081902
9 Lezgin @ 14,364709
10 Balochi @ 15,107577
11 Chechen @ 16,474325
12 GujaratiA @ 17,098363
13 Kalash @ 17,446236
14 Kumyk @ 18,13644
15 Balkar @ 18,34782
16 North_Ossetian @ 18,371049
17 Adygei @ 18,441658
18 Brahmin_UP @ 19,946317
19 Turkmen @ 21,949385
20 Punjabi @ 22,115596
259 iterations.

Noise dispersion set to 0,676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tajik_Pomiri @ 5,781324
2 Afghan_Pashtun @ 6,089563
3 Pathan @ 7,423369
4 Tadjik @ 7,725951
5 Kalash @ 9,694051
6 Afghan_Uzbek @ 10,583689
7 Afghan_Tadjik @ 10,606791
8 Burusho @ 10,638608
9 GujaratiA @ 11,559264
10 Brahui @ 11,918173
11 Balochi @ 12,529396
12 Kumyk @ 13,44837
13 Turkmen @ 14,266564
14 Balkar @ 14,515
15 North_Ossetian @ 14,732751
16 Nogai @ 15,432176
17 Afghan_Turkmen @ 15,515495
18 Brahmin_UP @ 15,769253
19 Iranian @ 15,813125
20 Adygei @ 15,835659
259 iterations.


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Tadjik 8.64
2 Afghan_Pashtun 8.65
3 Tadjik 9.92
4 Turkmen 13.8
5 Makrani 16.4
6 Burusho 16.91
7 Pathan 17.14
8 Kalash 17.83
9 Balochi 19.36
10 Brahui 19.82
11 Kumyk 19.87
12 Iranian 20.81
13 Azeri 20.85
14 Kabardin 21.58
15 Balkar 21.67
16 Tabassaran 21.85
17 Kurdish 21.94
18 Punjabi_Jat 22.12
19 Chechen 22.14
20 Lezgin 22.27

****In comparison to turks****
Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun (derived) 10.19
2 Tadjik (derived) 11.97
3 Turkmen (derived) 12.54
4 Pathan (derived) 13.33
5 Parsi (derived) 14.21
6 Burusho (derived) 14.85
7 Balochi (derived) 15.11
8 Makrani (derived) 15.79
9 Brahui (derived) 16.5
10 Azeri (derived) 19.74
11 Kumyk (derived) 19.94
12 Sindhi (derived) 20.32
13 Iranian (derived) 20.49
14 Nogai (derived) 20.64
15 Uzbek (derived) 21.15
16 Cirkassian (derived) 21.68
17 Balkarian (derived) 22.07
18 Kabardinian (derived) 22.12
19 Kurd (derived) 22.15
20 Turk (derived) 22.53

Pashtuns are just as genetically removed from Punjabis as they are from Turks and Kurds. And I'm pretty sure that that 22 distance from the Turk is much closer than the average Turk would get to a Bulgarian.

I don't know why people are so ignorant about pashtuns genetically, phenotypically, etc, even though Registan, I, and owight post oracles, family members etc.

Gujurati A is half west eurasian and Pashtuns are closer to Iranians, kurds, Azeris, North Caucasians, etc (genetically than they are to punjabis and even sindhis some of the time).

You forgot to highlight that Pashtuns are closer to Makranis and Brahuis. Brahuis are native South Asia and speak a Dravidian language. Like I said earlier, you are still closer to South Asia, but much closer to the Caucasus than the other South Asians.

[Babak]

Pashtuns are much closer to brahuis bro, who are native to south asia. It makes sense for them to be closer to their neighbors anyway

[Myanthropologies]

You forgot to highlight that Pashtuns are closer to Makranis and Brahuis, where the Brahui is a native South Indian ethnicity that speaks a Dravidian language.

Brahuis speak dravidian, but they are Balochis and very West Asian shifted. Are sicilians west asians for clustering with ashkenazis? If the answer to that is no, then pashtuns are not South asian. In plus, brqhui are a very insignificant small group of people. Im talking about the core of North Indianess (punjabis).

[Pahli]

Brahuis speak dravidian, but they are Balochis and very West Asian shifted. Are sicilians west asians for clustering with ashkenazis? If the answer to that is no, then pashtuns are not South asian. In plus, brqhui are a very insignificant small group of people. Im talking about the core of North Indianess (punjabis).

Still, Pashtuns are on the border of South Asian / West Asian, but slightly closer to the South Asian. There's not much to discuss.

[lameduck]

Brahuis speak dravidian, but they are Balochis and very West Asian shifted. Are sicilians west asians for clustering with ashkenazis? If the answer to that is no, then pashtuns are not South asian. In plus, brqhui are a very insignificant small group of people. Im talking about the core of North Indianess (punjabis).

look at Burushus they are even closer to Punjabis and you were claiming them from Kandhar when I posted that article on them, the truth is NW South asia and South Central Asian cline is different(because of different genetic components ANE , ASE, WHG) and you cant map the looks based on distance from West Asia.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?193161-This-Remote-Pakistani-Village-Is-Nothing-Like-You%92d-Expect

[Myanthropologies]

Still, Pashtuns are on the border of South Asian / West Asian, but slightly closer to the South Asian. There's not much to discuss.

No they aren't lol. Do you realize how huge the south asian cline is? So because they score brahuis at a 15 distance they are now close South asian? I guess Greeks are Turks then, too. Brahuis even have a lot of afgan ancestry themselves. Pashtuns are literally close all other west asians than to Punjabis, and that's only north south asians. Besides, Pashtuns are clearly only close to pamiris, pashtuns and pamiris are removed from everyone else

[Zmey Gorynych]

What sort of idiots voted in this thread?
Both turks and afghans have west-asian as their highest component (one third for turks, slightly more for pashtuns). Bulgarians score around 10% west-asian.
Bulgarians score around 45% baltic and north-atlantic. Turks and afghans score under 15% baltic + north-atlantic.

[Myanthropologies]

What sort of idiots voted in this thread?
Both turks and afghans have west-asian as their highest component (one third for turks, slightly more for pashtuns). Bulgarians score around 10% west-asian.
Bulgarians score around 45% baltic and north-atlantic. Turks and afghans score under 15% baltic + north-atlantic.

That's what I'm asking myself?

[Pahli]

No they aren't lol. Do you realize how huge the south asian cline is? So because they score brahuis at a 15 distance they are now close South asian? I guess Greeks are Turks then, too. Brahuis even have a lot of afgan ancestry themselves. Pashtuns are literally close all other west asians than to Punjabis, and that's only north south asians. Besides, Pashtuns are clearly only close to pamiris, pashtuns and pamiris are removed from everyone else

There's a clear difference but we have to distinguish between the two regions, Pashtuns are, like I said earlier, on the border zone to West Asia. In theory Iranians could be considered South Central Asians too for that matter, as you can see they are clearly Eastern shifted West Asians. Afghanistan itself is a border zone between South Asia and West Asia. but Pashtuns live mainly in Eastern parts of Afghanistan / West Pakistan, so you have to understand why they are in the South Asian cluster zone.

[Myanthropologies]

There's a clear difference but we have to distinguish between the two regions, Pashtuns are, like I said earlier, on the border zone to West Asia. In theory Iranians could be considered South Central Asians too for that matter, as you can see they are clearly Eastern shifted West Asians. Afghanistan itself is a border zone between South Asia and West Asia. but Pashtuns live mainly in Eastern parts of Afghanistan / West Pakistan, so you have to understand why they are in the South Asian cluster zone.

They shouldn't be included as South asians, and whoever did that is special. I don't know any pashtun who considers themselves south asian, and Pashtuns are all very Afghanistan, not just eastern Afghanistan. It is ridiculous to lump them with "south asians" the with their immediate neighbors in their country whom the are genetically closer to. Pashtuns are far removed from north indians and lumping them with a cluster tht goes all the way down to Sri Lankans than with tajiks is the dumbest thing ever.

[meisje]

What sort of idiots voted in this thread?
Both turks and afghans have west-asian as their highest component (one third for turks, slightly more for pashtuns). Bulgarians score around 10% west-asian.
Bulgarians score around 45% baltic and north-atlantic. Turks and afghans score under 15% baltic + north-atlantic.

Where did you get this Info, South Central Asian is highest component btw.Afghans, not West Asian, Both West Asian and South Indian are also 17-18% btw. Afghans

[Myanthropologies]

Where did you get this Info, South Central Asian is highest component btw.Afghans, not West Asian, Both West Asian and South Indian are also 17-18% btw. Afghans

"South Central asian" is not a genetic component, duffis.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Where did you get this Info, South Central Asian is highest component btw.Afghans, not West Asian, Both West Asian and South Indian are also 17-18% btw. Afghans
I got mine from gedmatch eurogenes K13 spreadsheet. Where did you get yours?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oz6P5-SVEJciPX1TciGe-zoqA5JtOGIMG7nh-rCOj0c/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=804264822

[meisje]

I got mine from gedmatch eurogenes K13 spreadsheet. Where did you get yours?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oz6P5-SVEJciPX1TciGe-zoqA5JtOGIMG7nh-rCOj0c/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=804264822

MDLP K23B

[Zmey Gorynych]

MDLP K23B
got a spreadsheet with averages?

[Böri]

The OWDer kiro bumps his own thread. Okay serious answer here: were it not for the 20% İndian admixture it would be Pashtuns but in the present situation it can't be Pashtuns. All Iranics act the same way, from Zazas to Pashtuns obviously as they all express their OWD feelings through Turks.

[meisje]

"South Central asian" is not a genetic component, duffis.

It is a component in MDLP K23b Afghan Kıro, Anyway, You are closer to your Pakistani and Indian Friends than Turks

[1,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "5.048"
[2,] "Pashtun" "5.8553"
[3,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "8.0498"
[4,] "Pakistani_Pushtun" "10.1022"
[5,] "Tadjik" "12.2702"
[6,] "Pathan" "13.8047"
[7,] "Parsi" "13.9396"
[8,] "Burusho" "16.4052"
[9,] "Jatt-Haryana" "19.1294"
[10,] "Jatt-Pahari" "19.2143"
[11,] "Punjabi-Gujjar" "20.9857"
[12,] "Iranian" "22.9917"
[13,] "Sindhi" "23.0606"
[14,] "Mumbai_Jews" "23.9324"
[15,] "Jatt-Muslim" "24.7448"
[16,] "Pakistani" "25.5678"
[17,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "25.6513"
[18,] "Cochin_Jew" "25.7599"
[19,] "Makrani" "26.0926"
[20,] "Uzbek" "26.4162"

[Myanthropologies]

It is a component in MDLP K23b Afghan Kıro, Anyway, You are closer to your Pakistani and Indian Friends than Turks

[1,] "Afghan_Pushtun" "5.048"
[2,] "Pashtun" "5.8553"
[3,] "Tajik_Pomiri" "8.0498"
[4,] "Pakistani_Pushtun" "10.1022"
[5,] "Tadjik" "12.2702"
[6,] "Pathan" "13.8047"
[7,] "Parsi" "13.9396"
[8,] "Burusho" "16.4052"
[9,] "Jatt-Haryana" "19.1294"
[10,] "Jatt-Pahari" "19.2143"
[11,] "Punjabi-Gujjar" "20.9857"
[12,] "Iranian" "22.9917"
[13,] "Sindhi" "23.0606"
[14,] "Mumbai_Jews" "23.9324"
[15,] "Jatt-Muslim" "24.7448"
[16,] "Pakistani" "25.5678"
[17,] "GujaratiA_GIH" "25.6513"
[18,] "Cochin_Jew" "25.7599"
[19,] "Makrani" "26.0926"
[20,] "Uzbek" "26.4162"

You oracle just proves the point of the 5 that I showed. Pakistanis are at a 25 distance whereas Turks are at a 22 distance. The average Turks is much farther than 22 from a Bulgaria.
That's not close to Pakistanis and Indians at all and you clearly don't know how to read. That oracle also looks stupid anyways. Who is "pashtun" supposed to be if it's not afghans, Pakistani, or Pathan? And N Caucasus people don't seem to be in it.

[Myanthropologies]

The OWDer kiro bumps his own thread. Okay serious answer here: were it not for the 20% İndian admixture it would be Pashtuns but in the present situation it can't be Pashtuns. All Iranics act the same way, from Zazas to Pashtuns obviously as they all express their OWD feelings through Turks.

Pashtuns don't have 20% indian, and I wasn't the one who bumped this thread. I don't even want to be close to Turks, but the fact that you think someone can be owd for turks shows that your delusional because Turks aren't even white.

[Pahli]

The OWDer kiro bumps his own thread. Okay serious answer here: were it not for the 20% İndian admixture it would be Pashtuns but in the present situation it can't be Pashtuns. All Iranics act the same way, from Zazas to Pashtuns obviously as they all express their OWD feelings through Turks.

The only OWD'er here is you, an assimilated Kavkaz son of a bitch that thinks he is close to Tatars and other Turkic ethnicities living in Russia. We don't need to express anything through you, if it is OWD (OWD is something you are specialized in by the way) or other random shit you make up, so stop being a little butthurt cunt and get over the fact that you aren't a representative for "Muh Turkic race"

[Myanthropologies]

I don't know why someone bumped this