Are Pashtuns closer to North Indians or Kurds?

[Trojka]

Pashtuns:

Genetic estimate:

Kurds have 1% South Indian
Pashtuns have 19%
Haryana Jatts (North Indians) score 27%

Haryana Jatts have more European ancestry 17% than Pashtuns 11%


S Indian Baloch Caucasian NE Euro SE Asian Siberian NE Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW Asian San E African Pygmy W African

Pashtuns:
19% 34% 20% 11% 1% 3% 2% 1% 2% 2% 1% 4% 1% 0% 0% 0%
Kurds:
1% 28% 44% 5% 0% 1% 0% 0% 1% 1% 5% 14% 0% 0% 0% 0%
North Indians (Haryana jatt):
27% 37% 9% 17% 0% 1% 0% 1% 2% 1% 3% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%

[Trojka]

BUMP

[Danishmend]

Here is your answer

Afghan_Pashtun top 20 populations

1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 0
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 9,995476
3 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 12,270431
4 Afghan_Tadjik @ 12,560858
5 Tadjik @ 12,669486
6 Pathan @ 15,066374
7 Burusho @ 21,754092
8 Balochi @ 23,171745
9 GujaratiA @ 24,450816
10 Brahui @ 25,50892
11 Turkmen @ 26,399984
12 Afghan_Turkmen @ 28,573039
13 Iranian @ 31,399673
14 Uzbek @ 32,016608
15 Kalash @ 32,308276
16 Lezgin @ 33,140492
17 Kumyk @ 34,76617
18 Kurdish @ 35,340341
19 Chechen @ 36,494085
20 Ust_Ishim @ 36,754896

[Trojka]

Anthropop doesn't even have the nerve to check this thread. :1127:

[Trojka]

Here is your answer

Afghan_Pashtun top 20 populations

1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 0
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 9,995476
3 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 12,270431
4 Afghan_Tadjik @ 12,560858
5 Tadjik @ 12,669486
6 Pathan @ 15,066374
7 Burusho @ 21,754092
8 Balochi @ 23,171745
9 GujaratiA @ 24,450816
10 Brahui @ 25,50892
11 Turkmen @ 26,399984
12 Afghan_Turkmen @ 28,573039
13 Iranian @ 31,399673
14 Uzbek @ 32,016608
15 Kalash @ 32,308276
16 Lezgin @ 33,140492
17 Kumyk @ 34,76617
18 Kurdish @ 35,340341
19 Chechen @ 36,494085
20 Ust_Ishim @ 36,754896

It's not a surprise!

[Myanthropologies]

Hahaha

[Myanthropologies]

Based on my cousins ancestry dna test and my grandma's, I assume I'm an afghan that is shifted towards the Caucasus more so than to Indians genetically because there are some afghans who are like that. But I could be closer to indians, who knows. I'm talking about dna test soon.

[Myanthropologies]

Pashtuns:

Genetic estimate:

Kurds have 1% South Indian
Pashtuns have 19%
Haryana Jatts (North Indians) score 27%

Haryana Jatts have more European ancestry 17% than Pashtuns 11%


S Indian Baloch Caucasian NE Euro SE Asian Siberian NE Asian Papuan American Beringian Mediterranean SW Asian San E African Pygmy W African

Pashtuns:
19% 34% 20% 11% 1% 3% 2% 1% 2% 2% 1% 4% 1% 0% 0% 0%
Kurds:
1% 28% 44% 5% 0% 1% 0% 0% 1% 1% 5% 14% 0% 0% 0% 0%
North Indians (Haryana jatt):
27% 37% 9% 17% 0% 1% 0% 1% 2% 1% 3% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%

Punjabis must be whiter than pashtuns then, huh?

[Myanthropologies]

Some pashtuns are not closer to North India than to even the north Caucasus

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 5,356033
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 7,454045
3 Tadjik @ 9,063714
4 Pathan @ 11,778725
5 Afghan_Uzbek @ 13,225575
6 Afghan_Tadjik @ 13,379507
7 Brahui @ 13,672045
8 Burusho @ 14,081902
9 Lezgin @ 14,364709
10 Balochi @ 15,107577
11 Chechen @ 16,474325
12 GujaratiA @ 17,098363
13 Kalash @ 17,446236
14 Kumyk @ 18,13644
15 Balkar @ 18,34782
16 North_Ossetian @ 18,371049
17 Adygei @ 18,441658
18 Brahmin_UP @ 19,946317
19 Turkmen @ 21,949385
20 Punjabi @ 22,115596
259 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Lezgin @ 2,323015
2 Burusho+Chechen @ 3,129354
3 Chechen+GujaratiA @ 3,18651
4 GujaratiA+Kumyk @ 3,751487
5 Balkar+GujaratiA @ 3,921542
6 Brahmin_UP+Chechen @ 3,965639
7 GujaratiA+North_Ossetian @ 4,008727
8 Afghan_Pashtun+Tajik_Pomiri @ 4,084433
9 GujaratiA+Lezgin @ 4,170068
10 Adygei+GujaratiA @ 4,194072

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tajik_Pomiri @ 5,781324
2 Afghan_Pashtun @ 6,089563
3 Pathan @ 7,423369
4 Tadjik @ 7,725951
5 Kalash @ 9,694051
6 Afghan_Uzbek @ 10,583689
7 Afghan_Tadjik @ 10,606791
8 Burusho @ 10,638608
9 GujaratiA @ 11,559264
10 Brahui @ 11,918173
11 Balochi @ 12,529396
12 Kumyk @ 13,44837
13 Turkmen @ 14,266564
14 Balkar @ 14,515
15 North_Ossetian @ 14,732751
16 Nogai @ 15,432176
17 Afghan_Turkmen @ 15,515495
18 Brahmin_UP @ 15,769253
19 Iranian @ 15,813125
20 Adygei @ 15,835659
259 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Lezgin @ 3,236478
2 GujaratiA+Lezgin @ 3,332307
3 Chechen+GujaratiA @ 3,525632
4 Lezgin+Pathan @ 3,794516
5 Burusho+Chechen @ 3,966627
6 Chechen+Pathan @ 4,17975
7 Pathan+Tajik_Pomiri @ 4,465679
8 Chechen+Kalash @ 4,639514
9 Kalash+Lezgin @ 4,673726
10 Afghan_Pashtun+Tajik_Pomiri @ 4,766173

Afghans are genetically diverse, and phenotypically as well. That's why it's stupid to assume things about them

[Myanthropologies]

It's not a surprise!

A 25 genetic distance is really far and doesn't mean they're close to indians.

[Myanthropologies]

Here is your answer

Afghan_Pashtun top 20 populations

1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 0
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 9,995476
3 Afghan_Uzbeki @ 12,270431
4 Afghan_Tadjik @ 12,560858
5 Tadjik @ 12,669486
6 Pathan @ 15,066374
7 Burusho @ 21,754092
8 Balochi @ 23,171745
9 GujaratiA @ 24,450816
10 Brahui @ 25,50892
11 Turkmen @ 26,399984
12 Afghan_Turkmen @ 28,573039
13 Iranian @ 31,399673
14 Uzbek @ 32,016608
15 Kalash @ 32,308276
16 Lezgin @ 33,140492
17 Kumyk @ 34,76617
18 Kurdish @ 35,340341
19 Chechen @ 36,494085
20 Ust_Ishim @ 36,754896

Even the ones that are "closer" indians are still far removed from them, based on that 25 distances. Afghans clearly forum their own genetic cluster with Pamiris tajiks, Afghans tajiks, nuristanis, and Pashtuns. And "Gujurati a" is a partial pashtun

[Petalpusher]

Keep in mind people, single pops don't give you a point, they give you circles, or rather, points on spheres.

[Milo]

Punjabis must be whiter than pashtuns then, huh?

despite having more european ancestry they also have more South Indian, which makes them darker overall

[Böri]

Indians of course, Kurds are more Arabo-Assyrian like. Yet some Pashtuns desperately dream their people are closer to Turks. They are even offended if you don't admit, in that sense they are similar to Kurds :- asdasdghfijhg lol

[Myanthropologies]

Indians of course, Kurds are more Arabo-Assyrian like. Yet some Pashtuns desperately dream their people are closer to Turks. They are even offended if you don't admit, in that sense they are similar to Kurds :- asdasdghfijhg lol

They're closer to North Indians than to kurds, but much genetically closer to to real turkic people than you ever will be

[Myanthropologies]

This thread was made by the south Indian obsessed Bromin who himself is genetically very far from North Indians and has nothing to do with pashtuns, but he wishes he did and says words like "caucasoid race" when he's not a caucasoid.

[Vyasa]

LOL

[Böri]

They're closer to North Indians than to kurds, but much genetically closer to to real turkic people than you ever will be

Crimeans, Azeris, Kumukhs, Karachays are close to Turks.
Turkmens are also closest to Turks from Central Asian populations.

[Myanthropologies]

Keep in mind people, single pops don't give you a point, they give you circles, or rather, points on spheres.

I agree, but my point is that who pashtuns are closer to is diverse, and I'm sure you know that. Obviously they're genetically closer to North Indians than to Kurds, and that's reasonable given that North Indians are closer to us in geography, but a lot of pashtuns are significantly n Caucasus shifted as well. Most are somewhere in between I'd say. Some are closer to indians

[Halgurd]

Crimeans, Azeris, Kumukhs, Karachays are close to Turks.
Turkmens are also closest to Turks from Central Asian populations.

Kurds are closer now cry bitch

[Milo]

This thread was made by the south Indian obsessed Bromin who himself is genetically very far from North Indians and has nothing to do with pashtuns, but he wishes he did and says words like "caucasoid race" when he's not a caucasoid.

what the fuck??? you retarded albino, i couldnt even register a single account on this forum, so I asked Longbowman to make one for me. You can ask him this.
The troll(s) who are make these accounts are a group of north indians from skype.

[Registan]

despite having more european ancestry they also have more South Indian, which makes them darker overall

They don't have more European ancestry, I already explained this. Pashtuns are more steppe (not just NE Euro component) and most Ghilzais and Durranis score higher "NE Euro" as well.

[Böri]

Kurds cluster with Arabs, Assyrians, Armenians, Persians. You are Aryan North MENAs.

[Registan]

They're closer to North Indians than to kurds, but much genetically closer to to real turkic people than you ever will be

Turkmen and Uzbeks respect Pashtuns more than they do Turks from Turkey. All Central Asians have ghairat which these Anatolians lack.

[lameduck]

I agree, but my point is that who pashtuns are closer to is diverse, and I'm sure you know that. Obviously they're genetically closer to North Indians than to Kurds, and that's reasonable given that North Indians are closer to us in geography, but a lot of pashtuns are significantly n Caucasus shifted as well. Most are somewhere in between I'd say. Some are closer to indians

also north indians are very diverse, and jatts are the most west shifted of north indians, many north indians from ganges plain/even low castes of NW etc are quite different from pashtuns, anyway kurds are not some sort of benchmark race that closer to them will make someone more aryan.

[Myanthropologies]

Crimeans, Azeris, Kumukhs, Karachays are close to Turks.
Turkmens are also closest to Turks from Central Asian populations.

Azeris aren't much closer to Turks than they are to Pashtuns. They are only a little closer. North Caucasians are also probably in between Turks and Pasthuns, some pashtuns are extremely N Caucasus shifted.

[Myanthropologies]

They don't have more European ancestry, I already explained this. Pashtuns are more steppe (not just NE Euro component) and most Ghilzais and Durranis score higher "NE Euro" as well.

I think I'm half durrani. I think thats what my dad is.

[Vyasa]

also north indians are very diverse, and jatts are the most west shifted of north indians, many north indians from ganges plain/even low castes of NW etc are quite different from pashtuns, anyway kurds are not some sort of benchmark race that closer to them will make someone more aryan.

Why do you love Jatts?

[Vyasa]

what the fuck??? you retarded albino, i couldnt even register a single account on this forum, so I asked Longbowman to make one for me. You can ask him this.
The troll(s) who are make these accounts are a group of north indians from skype.

No

[Halgurd]

Kurds cluster with Arabs, Assyrians, Armenians, Persians. You are Aryan North MENAs.

Funny cuz I get uzbek in my top 20 hhhhh

[Milo]

No

I didn't even mention you, do you know all the north indians on skype?

[Vyasa]

I didn't even mention you, do you know all the north indians on skype?

I haven't checked Skype in ages.

[Myanthropologies]

I assume some eastern pashtun tribes, especially the ones near Nuristan, should be very Caucasus shifted as well

[Kamal900]

Kurds cluster with Arabs, Assyrians, Armenians, Persians. You are Aryan North MENAs.

Kurds don't cluster with Arabs, especially not with NA's and Arabians, and they cluster with Turks as well, you dumb Turkish ape.

[lameduck]

Kurds don't cluster with Arabs, especially not with NA's and Arabians, and they cluster with Turks as well, you dumb Turkish ape.

i think kurds cluster with azeris and persians depending on geography.

[Trojka]

i think kurds cluster with azeris and persians depending on geography.

No, Kurds regardless if they live in Iran, Iraq, Turkey lack any East Eurasian like genetic components. Iranic Kurds have some South Asian pull, but still very distant from Pashtuns, not even worth mention Indians.

Turkish Kurds and Eastern Turks genetically more or less the same.

[Kamal900]

i think kurds cluster with azeris and persians depending on geography.

Azeris are a Turkic people, yes, and they cluster with Iranians and Anatolian Turks the closest. Its all shared west Asian ancestry. That retard like to claim that Turks are purely of Turkic origins which is pure nonsense.

[Böri]

SSA-shifted obese Palestinian Arab is hurted. 70% of the forum is touchy of what Turks might think or feel. Kurds are MENA and cluster with Farsis, Assyrians and Arabs around. Full stop. Israeli Air Force will deal with you, Camel.

[Myanthropologies]

No, Kurds regardless if they live in Iran, Iraq, Turkey lack any East Eurasian like genetic components. Iranic Kurds have some South Asian pull, but still very distant from Pashtuns, not even worth mention Indians.

Turkish Kurds and Eastern Turks genetically more or less the same.

Very distant is a dangerous word. Kurds are genetically closer to afghans than to like 98.5% of the world population. Obviously afghans are closer to North Indians in genetics, but that doesn't mean they're ethnically closer to indians.

[Hadouken]

threads like this have no point because people here are not able to talk in a respectful manner and also dont accept facts and/or listen to people who are more knowledged about certain things

[Kamal900]

SSA-shifted obese Palestinian Arab is hurted. 70% of the forum is touchy of what Turks might think or feel. Kurds are MENA and cluster with Farsis, Assyrians and Arabs around. Full stop. Israeli Air Force will deal with you, Camel.

Do you kiss you mother with that mouth? My SSA is only 3.5 percent. Turks are also MENA as well, and they cluster the closest to other lower west Asiatics than to other Turkic peoples of Europe and Asia. Don't make me kek.

[Myanthropologies]

Azeris are a Turkic people, yes, and they cluster with Iranians and Anatolian Turks the closest. Its all shared west Asian ancestry. That retard like to claim that Turks are purely of Turkic origins which is pure nonsense.

Just like it's stupid that people think that most Turks are closer to Bulgarians than to Afghans genetically.

[Pahli]

SSA-shifted obese Palestinian Arab is hurted. 70% of the forum is touchy of what Turks might think or feel. Kurds are MENA and cluster with Farsis, Assyrians and Arabs around. Full stop. Israeli Air Force will deal with you, Camel.

Unfortunately PCA plots tell us a different story little butthurt OWD Trabzon cunt :(

[XenophobicPrussian]

Kurds have 1% South Indian
LOL

More like 9%. Try again. Turks similarly have 4%, only Arabs can claim they aren't descended from Jagdeesh.

1/10 of your ancestors looked like this:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ39BecCzWuahEVJyUo6Xxhj2MauxkKO JQEPU7CT3ksUvcT8xRe

[Hadouken]

^ Turks and Kurds have around 1-2% (3% max. depending on area/person/calculator)

[Registan]

also north indians are very diverse, and jatts are the most west shifted of north indians, many north indians from ganges plain/even low castes of NW etc are quite different from pashtuns, anyway kurds are not some sort of benchmark race that closer to them will make someone more aryan.

You're right, the benchmark for Aryan-ness would be Tajiks & Pashtuns. Jatts have recent Saka admixture or they mingled with the British which is they they are more shifted toward South Central Asians. I would go with the former.

[wvwvw]

Kurds don't cluster with Arabs, especially not with NA's and Arabians, and they cluster with Turks as well, you dumb Turkish ape.

Probably by arabs he means Assyrians and Levantines

[lameduck]

LOL

More like 9%. Try again. Turks similarly have 4%, only Arabs can claim they aren't descended from Jagdeesh.

1/10 of your ancestors looked like this:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ39BecCzWuahEVJyUo6Xxhj2MauxkKO JQEPU7CT3ksUvcT8xRe

lol components dont map to pheno like this.

[Myanthropologies]

LOL

More like 9%. Try again. Turks similarly have 4%, only Arabs can claim they aren't descended from Jagdeesh.

1/10 of your ancestors looked like this:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ39BecCzWuahEVJyUo6Xxhj2MauxkKO JQEPU7CT3ksUvcT8xRe

In newer calculators with Iranian neotholic, everyone's south asian % dropped a lot more. Even Punjabis are only 15-20% in newer calculators.

[Böri]

asdasdfgjfgjdkgjg lol. I knew it would also end with 'Turks are also MENA,. Kurds, Levant Arabs, Assyrians are northernmost MENA people. Armenians are on the edge, like half MENA and half Caucasian. Turks are disconnected, hope I don't offend anyone.

[Pahli]

LOL

More like 9%. Try again. Turks similarly have 4%, only Arabs can claim they aren't descended from Jagdeesh.

1/10 of your ancestors looked like this:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ39BecCzWuahEVJyUo6Xxhj2MauxkKO JQEPU7CT3ksUvcT8xRe

I have 2.5% ASI or around 5% South Indian, pack your shit together.

[Pahli]

asdasdfgjfgjdkgjg lol. I knew it would also end with 'Turks are also MENA,. Kurds, Levant Arabs, Assyrians are northernmost MENA people. Armenians are on the edge, like half MENA and half Caucasian. Turks are disconnected, hope I don't offend anyone.

Western Turkey is not that close to MENA, but the rest (North East, East, South East) is pretty much closer to the Caucasus, Kurds and Iranians :)

[XenophobicPrussian]

In newer calculators with Iranian neotholic, everyone's south asian % dropped a lot more. Even Punjabis are only 15-20% in newer calculators.
because Iranian Neolithic is stealing the ASI away. Iranian Neolithic itself had a lot of ASI, and if you base modern pops like Kurds on Iranian Neolithic it will just be show up in Iranian Neolithic % and 0% ASI or South Indian because that's where there ASI comes from, not direct more recent admixture with Sri Lankans or whatever.

It's like saying someone has no WHG, because their ancestry is from EHGs. EHGs themselves were a mixture, same goes for Neolithic Iranians.

[wvwvw]

Afgans are closer to North Indians than to Kurds.

I think the Kurds look closer to Assyrians than to Iranians for some reason.

[Pahli]

Afgans are closer to North Indians than to Kurds.

I think the Kurds look closer to Assyrians than to Iranians for some reason.

Not according to most of the calculators I use, Iranians, Azeri and Turks come first before Assyrian :)

[Hadouken]

we are diverse (more than people think) . some look closer to Iranians some to Assyrians/Armenians etc. . it depends a lot on the region too .

[wvwvw]

Not according to most of the calculators I use, Iranians, Azeri and Turks come first before Assyrian :)

Even Iraqi Kurds?

[Pahli]

Even Iraqi Kurds?

I don't know about Iraqi Kurds however.

[Myanthropologies]

because Iranian Neolithic is stealing the ASI away. Iranian Neolithic itself had a lot of ASI, and if you base modern pops like Kurds on Iranian Neolithic it will just be show up in Iranian Neolithic % and 0% ASI or South Indian because that's where there ASI comes from, not direct more recent admixture with Sri Lankans or whatever.

It's like saying someone has no WHG, because their ancestry is from EHGs. EHGs themselves were a mixture, same goes for Neolithic Iranians.

Iranian neotholic was mostly CHG like. I would ask assume the calculators that have ASI would be able to filter it out, because on some calculators some populations score way too high chg, even though a lot of it is Iranian Neolithic. That's why pashtuns only have affinities to North Indians and virtually no other south asians, most of the affinities come from Iranian Neolithic.

[Myanthropologies]

we are diverse (more than people think) . some look closer to Iranians some to Assyrians/Armenians etc. . it depends a lot on the region too .

You look armenian to me. Mainly because you have an Armenian smile.

[Pahli]

Iranian neotholic was mostly CHG like. I would ask assume the calculators that have ASI would be able to filter it out, because on some calculators some populations score way too high chg, even though a lot of it is Iranian Neolithic.

Even Iran_Neo had less South Asian (Around 20%) than Brahui and on level with Afghan_Pashtuns. It can be considered as a 50/50 mix of Kotias CHG and Brahuis. Late Iran_Neo had even more reduced South Asian (15% South Asian). Other than the South Asian component, Iran_Neo and Late Iran_Neo was around 75 - 80% CHG.

[Myanthropologies]

we are diverse (more than people think) . some look closer to Iranians some to Assyrians/Armenians etc. . it depends a lot on the region too .

The same can be said for afghan pashtuns. For all you know some out there might be closer to Kurds than to Indians, we're just missing a lot of genetic data from the area.

[Hadouken]

You look armenian to me. Mainly because you have an Armenian smile.

you have never seen me smiling :D

btw. you already told me the ethnicities I look some time ago on pm :) lets keep it at that . what I said above was not about me but in general

[Myanthropologies]

Even Iran_Neo had less South Asian (Around 20%) than Brahui and on level with Afghan_Pashtuns. It can be considered as a 50/50 mix of Kotias CHG and Brahuis. Late neolithic Iran_Neo had even more reduced South Asian (15% South Asian).

Iranian Neolithic being 20% ASI just proves KY point that pashtuns are way less than 20% ASI. Punjabis are 20% ASI. Pashtuns have like 60% Iranian Neolithic ancestry (which is also their source of ASI ancestry). On the Iranian neotholic calculator kurds have 3-5% on average and Afghans had 6-8% average, one afghan even had as low as 4%. Even some caucasians and europeans had 1-2%.

[Myanthropologies]

you have never seen me smiling :D

btw. you already told me the ethnicities I look some time ago on pm :) lets keep it at that . what I said above was not about me but in general

You're kinda smiling in your avatar and I can tell. Lol

[Myanthropologies]

The genetic distance between North Indians and South Indians is EXTREMELY massive, has anyone ever noticed that?

[Hadouken]

You're kinda smiling in your avatar and I can tell. Lol

https://fusiondotnet.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/matsgrin.jpg?quality=80&strip=all

[Pahli]

Iranian Neolithic being 20% ASI just proves KY point that pashtuns are way less than 20% ASI. Punjabis are 20% ASI. Pashtuns have like 60% Iranian Neolithic ancestry (which is also their source of ASI ancestry). On the Iranian neotholic calculator kurds have 3-5% on average and Afghans had 6-8% average, one afghan even had as low as 4%. Even some caucasians and europeans had 1-2%.

You are confusing ASI with South Indian. South Indian is 50% ASI + 50% CHG (not sure, I assume it is). So Iran_Neo is around 9 - 10% ASI, late Iran_Neo 7 - 8%. Pashtuns have around 9 - 11% if I remember correct, and that is without including their Iran_Neo ancestry. Punjabis are 15 - 20% ASI.

South Indians however can be up to 75% ASI.

[Milo]

The genetic distance between North Indians and South Indians is EXTREMELY massive, has anyone ever noticed that?

that's because when people talk about north indains they are only talking about the most north/west shifted kind, ie Jatts etc, and when people talk of south Indians they are talking of ASI proxy type tribals. You have to understand that there are caste based differences in genetics in play in India. The majority of North Indians and South Indians are more or less the same genetically, except non brahmin SIs not scoring any NE euro.

from Anthrogenica

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yroLfxb7NvkZ63tMJcRm-4yNH8PcXtzhJWm1Hpfr5-8/edit#gid=0

Here are some Sample from lahore
Of 119 sample
averaging 42% South Indian
the highest scored 56% South Indian, and The lowest scored 27%.

South Indian Score range distrobution
12 scored over 55 percent
29 scored between 50-55 percent
8 scored between 45-50%
11 scored between 40-45%
18 scored between 35-40%
32 scored between 30-35%
9 scored under 30%

Even though the average south indian score is 42% there seems to be 2 major poles on the opposite end of the spectrum and not much in between. From these results it appears that there has been a substantial Dalit conversion. From these results there arent many jatt samples, but the most of the samples that score low south Indian appear either arains or Khatri, due to elevated caucasian score.



Jatt sikh
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gmFvXVNSyUg/UP5i8Lr16EI/AAAAAAAAABU/JesEpF07S1M/s1600/Sant+Jarnail+Singh+Bhindranwale.jpg

Paniyar Tribal
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/l7vmCyHkS_8/maxresdefault.jpg

[Milo]

You are confusing ASI with South Indian. South Indian is 50% ASI + 50% CHG (not sure, I assume it is). So Iran_Neo is around 9 - 10% ASI, late Iran_Neo 7 - 8%. Pashtuns have around 9 - 11% if I remember correct, and that is without including their Iran_Neo ancestry. Punjabis are 15 - 20% ASI.

South Indians however can be up to 75% ASI.
how can you be 75% ASI, if the SI component itself is only 50% SI?
did someone score 150% SI?

[lameduck]

......

[Myanthropologies]

Anyways I find it stupid that people in this thread are pissed that afghans were compared to Kurds and not to North Indians. North Indians are also very far from Afghans. People are gonna point out how different Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks apparently are, even though they extremely overlap tajiks the most, and even danishdummys oracle showed that pashtuns are very close to all tajiks, and indians are at a 24 genetic distance, aka very far.

People keep ignoring that:

- Afghans forum their own cluster, consisting of pashtuns, pamiri tajiks, nuristanis, and afghan tajiks
- They are not close to Kurds or Indians genetically
- Afghans are still an Eastern IRANIAN people. They look more like Iranians, eat like Iranians, and celebrate the same holidays as them.
- the only people who try to relate afghans to indians are and owd south asians.
- This thread was started by a North Indian pretending to be slavic
- Afghans are genetically diverse. Some are closer to the North Caucasus than they are to North India. But most are between Kalash and Chechens genetically.
- Afghans are still ethnically closer to Kurds than to indians.

[spectacular]

on the others hand i think majority of Afghans dont know meaning of Kurdish. also i heard Pashtun word firstly on the ta :s

[gültekin]

actualy Kurds score more ASI, whatever, Pashtuns are naturaly closer to their neighboors, nothing wrong with that

[Pahli]

actualy Kurds score more ASI, whatever, Pashtuns are naturaly closer to their neighboors, nothing wrong with that

A brain dead son of a whore has no clue on how much ASI Kurds have, they score everything from 3 - 6% ASI or 6 - 12% South Asian. I score 2.5% ASI so you can stuff a dick up your ASI influenced ass.

[lameduck]

A brain dead son of a whore has no clue on how much ASI Kurds have, they score everything from 3 - 6% ASI or 6 - 12% South Asian. I score 2.5% ASI so you can stuff a dick up your ASI influenced ass.

bro some ASI makes people cooler and more intelligent.

[Pahli]

bro some ASI makes people cooler and more intelligent.

Can't notice my ASI anyway :lol:

[Hadouken]

ASexual

[Milo]

bro some ASI makes people cooler and more intelligent.

ASI= badass moustache
http://images.mid-day.com/images/2014/dec/Veerappan-000.jpg

[gültekin]

A brain dead son of a whore has no clue on how much ASI Kurds have, they score everything from 3 - 6% ASI or 6 - 12% South Asian. I score 2.5% ASI so you can stuff a dick up your ASI influenced ass.
average kurdish civil behavior , bohoo now i feel very insulted by an son of a genital mutilated kıro

[Myanthropologies]

ASexual

You're going to influence a new crazydaisy thread asking for she has ASI now

[wvwvw]

^ Turks and Kurds have around 1-2% (3% max. depending on area/person/calculator)

Dat's noise

[Myanthropologies]

I've already admitted pashtuns are genetically closer to North indians than to kurds , but the durks can't admit that they're genetically closer to Afghans than to bulgarians.

The durks call me delusional but believe they are genetically closer to Turkmens than Afghans are.

[Myanthropologies]

.....

[Pahli]

average kurdish civil behavior , bohoo now i feel very insulted by an son of a genital mutilated kıro

I am merely copying you as a person and modifying it a bit, however don't play the man here, you act like a 15 year old bitch on her period.

[Ylla]

threads like this have no point because people here are not able to talk in a respectful manner and also dont accept facts and/or listen to people who are more knowledged about certain things

+1

[Myanthropologies]

+1

Then why do the people who say this vote on the polls and post in the thread itself?

Whenever I see a thread that's stupid and pointless, I ignore it. I don't post in it talking about how stupid it is.

[Wadaad]

Brown on brown angst is quite interesting reading material...good stuff guys

[stellastel]

Kurds I think. Kurds are similar to Armenians and lot of Afghani I know are similar looking to Armenians.

[Milo]

Kurds I think. Kurds are similar to Armenians and lot of Afghani I know are similar looking to Armenians.Thank you for your invaluble opinion, but why did you need to bump this inactive thread?

[stellastel]

Thank you for your invaluble opinion, but why did you need to bump this inactive thread?

Why is my opinion invaluable?

I was just searching through genetics thread section and found this. I am not too familiar with genetics but i like to know more.

[Milo]

Why is my opinion invaluable?

I was just searching through genetics thread section and found this. I am not too familiar with genetics but i like to know more.invaluable: adjective extremely useful; indispensable.

[stellastel]

invaluable: adjective extremely useful; indispensable.

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['owight Gavnah]

This is the most stupidest troll bait thread ever. instead of cornering a young boy and bullying him, why not have a intellectual converstaion with someone who is actually educated about this? the question is beyond stupidity considering both pashtuns( and tajiks) are a iranic people, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK WE LOOK LIKE, hence culturally, linguistically we are automatically closer to kurds without a doubt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples

Secondly, if you want to whip out genetic admixture results and so forth, be my guest. First of all, we need establish what we mean by NORTH INDIA, right?

http://m.rediff.com/travel/pix/north1.gif

right, so we have groups such as kashmir, UP, punjab, Bihar, Haryana and HP.

This is not only my results but a couple of other Afghan pashtun results. Lets take a look:

my PuntDNAL K13 results:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.74
2 Greco-Roman 18.25
3 Dravidian 15.77
4 Balto-Slavic 13.43
5 Tibeto-Burman 8.88
6 Siberian 4.6
7 Maghreb 1.77
8 Cntrl_Semitic 1.69
9 Niger_Congo 0.86

Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbek 9.3
2 Turkmen 10.75
3 Tadjik 10.95
4 Romani 15.53
5 Pashtun 16.26
6 Nogai 16.97
7 Turk 17.7
8 Balkar 18.17
9 Turk 18.66
10 North_Ossetian 19.43
11 Iranian 20.13
12 Kurd 20.19
13 Chechen 20.21
14 Lezgin 22.24
15 Assyrian 26.14
16 Lebanese 26.23
17 Armenian 26.87
18 Abkhazian 27.87
19 Syrian 27.91
20 Georgian 28.84

This is my Eurogenes test and V2K15 respectivley

# Population Percent
1 SOUTH_ASIAN 25.81
2 WEST_ASIAN 25.77
3 EAST_MED 18.19
4 EAST_EURO 13.75
5 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 6.03
6 SIBERIAN 5.49
7 EAST_ASIAN 3.63
8 ATLANTIC 0.85
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.49

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Brahui 12.97
2 Balochi 13.15
3 Burusho 18.64
4 Kalash 19.2
5 IR 22.65
6 Kurdish 25.5
7 Lezgin 25.76
8 Sindhi 26.12
9 TR 28.01
10 Armenian 33.53
11 GE 34.44
12 Mandean 34.52
13 Assyrian 34.6
14 IQ 34.97
15 AJ 35.93
16 GR 37.22
17 RO 38.04
18 Serbian 38.38
19 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 38.62
20 IN 39.05

Eurogenes V2K15
EU test V2K15
# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 28.35
2 South_Asian 25.01
3 East_Med 16.17
4 Eastern_Euro 13.98
5 North_Sea 6.65
6 Siberian 5.25
7 Southeast_Asian 3.45
8 Amerindian 0.7
9 West_Med 0.37
10 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 9.4
2 Afghan_Tadjik 9.9
3 Afghan_Uzbeki 9.93
4 Tadjik 10.94
5 Balochi 11.61
6 Brahui 12.21
7 Makrani 12.21
8 Turkmen 12.69
9 Kalash 17.84
10 Pathan 18.19
11 Burusho 18.61
12 Azeri 22.2
13 Iranian 22.29
14 Punjabi_Jat 23.28
15 Sindhi 23.65
16 Kumyk 23.72
17 Tabassaran 23.81
18 Kurdish 23.92
19 Lezgin 24.42
20 Nogay 25.33

now now, i know what you must be thinking, he's showing us that he scores punjabi jats closer to kurdish in his oracles. yes, but you need to take into consideration that the 'kurdish' sample was from northwest kurdistan aka turkey, the punjabi jats are the most western shifted northwest south asians. Let that sink in( GIVEN WE CLEARLY KNOW WHAT NORTH INDIA IS MEANT TO RESPRESENT OFCOURSE). Heres another afghan pashtun from Kandahar, his eurogenes k13:

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 42.24
2 South_Asian 24.56
3 Baltic 10.13
4 East_Med 9.91
5 North_Atlantic 4.98
6 Siberian 3.33
7 Amerindian 1.48
8 West_Med 1.22
9 Sub-Saharan 1.14
10 Red_Sea 0.99
11 Northeast_African 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Pashtun 4.68
2 Makrani 12.06
3 Kalash 12.45
4 Tadjik 12.71
5 Balochi 13.56
6 Afghan_Tadjik 14.03
7 Brahui 14.42
8 Pathan 14.44
9 Burusho 15.82
10 Punjabi_Jat 19.63
11 Tabassaran 19.65
12 Turkmen 19.9
13 Sindhi 20.28
14 Lezgin 20.58
15 Chechen 20.69
16 Kumyk 20.75
17 Kabardin 21.54
18 Adygei 21.77
19 Ossetian 22.31
20 Balkar 22.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61% Pathan + 39% North_Ossetian @ 2.63

Now the latest calculators have broke down certain components, for instance this is Near eastern neolithic k13 results

# Population Percent
1 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 35.08
2 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 18.77
3 CHG_EEF 17.94
4 EHG 8.87
5 NATUFIAN 8.14
6 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 4.39
7 SIBERIAN 2.5
8 SHG_WHG 1.9
9 SE_ASIAN 1.88
10 KARITIANA 0.41
11 SUB_SAHARAN 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 6.67
2 Tajik 11.75
3 Iranian_Bandari 11.78
4 Kalash 13.19
5 Iranian_Shirazi 13.37
6 Iranian 13.76
7 Pathan 14.5
8 Iranian_Mazandarani 15.84
9 Kurd_C 16.76
10 Iranian_Lori 17.11
11 Makrani 17.45
12 Balochi 17.72
13 Azeri 17.97
14 Burusho 18.2
15 Kurd_SE 18.65
16 Brahui 18.98
17 Sindhi 21.64
18 Kumyk 21.97
19 Lezgin 22.19
20 Turkish_Kayseri 22.77

this a afghan pashtun from LOGAR, eastern afghanistan
# Population Percent
1 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 32.61
2 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 19.5
3 CHG_EEF 19.31
4 EHG 12.8
5 NATUFIAN 5.75
6 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 2.93
7 KARITIANA 1.91
8 SHG_WHG 1.66
9 SIBERIAN 1.64
10 POLAR 0.79
11 SUB_SAHARAN 0.56
12 PAPUAN 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pashtun_Afghan 5.96
2 Tajik 8.99
3 Kalash 12.63
4 Pathan 14.16
5 Iranian_Bandari 14.99
6 Iranian_Shirazi 16.89
7 Iranian 17
8 Burusho 17.59
9 Iranian_Mazandarani 19.18
10 Kurd_SE 19.27
11 Balochi 20.17
12 Azeri 20.44
13 Makrani 20.53
14 Iranian_Lori 20.56
15 Kurd_C 20.7
16 Lezgin 21.05
17 Brahui 21.52
18 Kumyk 21.61
19 Sindhi 22.14
20 Chechen 22.31

Now i can post many results of different calculators and invidiudals but none of that matters because you are still blind.

Anthroplogically, Kurds and Afghans are both classified as irano-afghan. Here are footballers from afghanistan up front, where you can identfiy them by name, unlike the countless of images posted which has no source that indicates they are AFGHANS.
check out the thread for yourself. but i will post these guys for you to see. as you can see I AM NOT CHERRYPICKING NOR AM I DEPICTING AFGHANS AS LIGHT HAIRED LIGHT EYED.

Before anyone sees this and doesnt fit their idea of what afghans are meant to look like, leave your ignorance behind and look at their phenotype. i dont need trolls or angry members to log in, type in "pashtuns" in google and post any dark crowds they come across. if you do, please provide a reliable source that suggests otherwise, other than that its invalid.

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%286%29.jpg?itok=fKyXuZZQ

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%288%29.jpg?itok=o1Q6YTDS

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2810%29.jpg?itok=CFt8C54O

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2812%29.jpg?itok=P2gxKm9K

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2813%29.jpg?itok=TNG9P_50

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2815%29.jpg?itok=XDbLfDD6

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2816%29.jpg?itok=a99LwG0q

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2817%29.jpg?itok=VNV-pwbD

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2818%29.jpg?itok=Glw5NXOj

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2821%29.jpg?itok=ujJXIZaP

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2823%29.jpg?itok=cIh49eHY

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2824%29.jpg?itok=ydEs0prJ


and ofcourse our LATEST AFGHAN FOOTBALL TEAM WHICH CONSISTS OF PASHTUNS AND TAJIKS.


http://www.aopnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/afghanfootballteam.jpg

I do not want to post any other pics, beacuse people will never be convinced thats what we look like, getting accused of cherrypicking. Genetically we can be modeled as a iranic population very similar to populations such as iranians, kurds tendencied towards North Caucasus/Turkey and northwest india. We are closer to Kurds, autosmally and genetically( IBD analysis) than north indians. No suprises there.

['owight Gavnah]

images of footballers carried on
http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2825%29.jpg?itok=cCrgwphB

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%2826%29.jpg?itok=mNizYtO3

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%281%29.jpg?itok=9uPZ0IsL

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%282%29.jpg?itok=hC-EoKUz

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%283%29.jpg?itok=r0pdrKTO

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/RAPL%202015%20%20Regional%20tournament%20De%20Maiw and%20Atalan%20%284%29.jpg?itok=FEq5yR1b

http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/Paktia%20hosts%20the%20regional%20tournament%20for %20De%20Abasin%20Sape%20%20%281%29.jpg?itok=z7H5gp j5

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http://www.afghanpremierleague.com/sites/default/files/styles/img_683_271/public/Paktia%20hosts%20the%20regional%20tournament%20for %20De%20Abasin%20Sape%20%20%287%29.jpg?itok=pCmRFS 8a

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[lameduck]

nice pictures

[Myanthropologies]

There's also these:

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Afghan_Pashtun @ 5,356033
2 Tajik_Pomiri @ 7,454045
3 Tadjik @ 9,063714
4 Pathan @ 11,778725
5 Afghan_Uzbek @ 13,225575
6 Afghan_Tadjik @ 13,379507
7 Brahui @ 13,672045
8 Burusho @ 14,081902
9 Lezgin @ 14,364709
10 Balochi @ 15,107577
11 Chechen @ 16,474325
12 GujaratiA @ 17,098363
13 Kalash @ 17,446236
14 Kumyk @ 18,13644
15 Balkar @ 18,34782
16 North_Ossetian @ 18,371049
17 Adygei @ 18,441658
18 Brahmin_UP @ 19,946317
19 Turkmen @ 21,949385
20 Punjabi @ 22,115596
259 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Lezgin @ 2,323015
2 Burusho+Chechen @ 3,129354
3 Chechen+GujaratiA @ 3,18651
4 GujaratiA+Kumyk @ 3,751487
5 Balkar+GujaratiA @ 3,921542
6 Brahmin_UP+Chechen @ 3,965639
7 GujaratiA+North_Ossetian @ 4,008727
8 Afghan_Pashtun+Tajik_Pomiri @ 4,084433
9 GujaratiA+Lezgin @ 4,170068
10 Adygei+GujaratiA @ 4,194072

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,676116

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tajik_Pomiri @ 5,781324
2 Afghan_Pashtun @ 6,089563
3 Pathan @ 7,423369
4 Tadjik @ 7,725951
5 Kalash @ 9,694051
6 Afghan_Uzbek @ 10,583689
7 Afghan_Tadjik @ 10,606791
8 Burusho @ 10,638608
9 GujaratiA @ 11,559264
10 Brahui @ 11,918173
11 Balochi @ 12,529396
12 Kumyk @ 13,44837
13 Turkmen @ 14,266564
14 Balkar @ 14,515
15 North_Ossetian @ 14,732751
16 Nogai @ 15,432176
17 Afghan_Turkmen @ 15,515495
18 Brahmin_UP @ 15,769253
19 Iranian @ 15,813125
20 Adygei @ 15,835659
259 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Burusho+Lezgin @ 3,236478
2 GujaratiA+Lezgin @ 3,332307
3 Chechen+GujaratiA @ 3,525632
4 Lezgin+Pathan @ 3,794516
5 Burusho+Chechen @ 3,966627
6 Chechen+Pathan @ 4,17975
7 Pathan+Tajik_Pomiri @ 4,465679
8 Chechen+Kalash @ 4,639514
9 Kalash+Lezgin @ 4,673726
10 Afghan_Pashtun+Tajik_Pomiri @ 4,766173



Afghan pashtun families in America btw:

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/FB_IMG_1477843562118_zpsbzsix0mp.jpg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/FB_IMG_1477843562118_zpsbzsix0mp.jpg.html)
http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/FB_IMG_1477843486779_zpsjdixjecl.jpg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/FB_IMG_1477843486779_zpsjdixjecl.jpg.html)
http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/FB_IMG_1477843215726_zpsmnjf8dce.jpg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/FB_IMG_1477843215726_zpsmnjf8dce.jpg.html)

Probably some Tajiks and others in this too (but Tajiks really close anyways). But still mostly pashtun.

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/FB_IMG_1477843058830_zpsghswvkc4.jpg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/FB_IMG_1477843058830_zpsghswvkc4.jpg.html)
http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/FB_IMG_1477843033714_zpsryktdjbb.jpg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/FB_IMG_1477843033714_zpsryktdjbb.jpg.html)

And light hair eyes, isn't as uncommon as people think it is

Afghan Americans examples:

http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/FB_IMG_1477843177565_zpsk4gw4nkd.jpg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/FB_IMG_1477843177565_zpsk4gw4nkd.jpg.html)
http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/FB_IMG_1477842895299_zpsjybq95qe.jpg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/FB_IMG_1477842895299_zpsjybq95qe.jpg.html)
http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/drcypriot084/FB_IMG_1477842879084_zpsqjvfhzcs.jpg (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/drcypriot084/media/FB_IMG_1477842879084_zpsqjvfhzcs.jpg.html)


https://youtu.be/rVqZJgUEYZQ

I don't think any afghan on this forum has denied that afghans and some North indians share similarities. However, people always only point out the miniscule "indian influence" in afghans, instead of the afghan and persian influence in some of these north indian ethnicities, which is 1000x greater. The north indian group that afghans score close to are extremely small populations that are genetically equivalent to Cypriots position between Europe and the Middle East (except in this case, kashmiris, etc, are between other North Indian groups and some west asian groups.

Pashtuns are genetically and phenotypically removed from the core of North Indianess (Punjabis). They are *genetically* closer to all West Asian ethnicities (besides the Semitic ones) than they are to Punjabis on average. Brahuis aren't even indians for crying out loud, they're balochi. Most pashtuns & tajiks can be modeled as something like half Chechen and half Balochi.

I dont see the point in the who is closer to who wars anymore, especially when pashtuns don't really associate with either of the two of these real life (except for maybe sometimes Kurds and some North Indian groups). Why does it matter who is closer to who? You guys barely know anything about Afghans, yet you want to know "who are they close to"?

I made a thread describing the ethnic group and traditions of Afghanistan, lol I wish if this many people were interested in that.

[Truth Preacher]

What's with all these similar threads, obviously being Iranics they are closer to Kurds
North Indians( Ludhiana, India)

http://i.imgur.com/76TcIya.png

http://i.imgur.com/4Dw8pA4.png

['owight Gavnah]

People need to put trolling and ignorance aside. Seriously, the afghans me and myanthro posted, do they look remotely Indian to you? Sure, we have overlaps with them Ofcourse, genetically we even get pubjabi jats in our oracles and so forth, but we are a iranic population with similarities to Persians, Kurds, Lurs and balochis. People shouldn't take oracles too literal, since they are very objective depending on the results, meaning one percent higher of one thing will change the oracle list etc. IBD segment analysis has showed us that afghans sit firmly with their iranic brethrens, why do people dispute that? I'm not saying we are white, nor am I saying we look like Greeks or whatever, people need to accept afghans as what they are. Simple.

Like I said oracles shouldn't be taken too seriously, but yes, half kalash half Chechen seems within the range, depending on the individual. Sometimes some individuals get Pathan+ North Ossetian , or Afghan Pashtun + Azeri, makrani + tabarassan and so forth. We are basically half "Pakistani" half Caucasus.

[Myanthropologies]

People need to put trolling and ignorance aside. Seriously, the afghans me and myanthro posted, do they look remotely Indian to you? Sure, we have overlaps with them Ofcourse, genetically we even get pubjabi jats in our oracles and so forth, but we are a iranic population with similarities to Persians, Kurds, Lurs and balochis. People shouldn't take oracles too literal, since they are very objective depending on the results, meaning one percent higher of one thing will change the oracle list etc. IBD segment analysis has showed us that afghans sit firmly with their iranic brethrens, why do people dispute that? I'm not saying we are white, nor am I saying we look like Greeks or whatever, people need to accept afghans as what they are. Simple.

Like I said oracles shouldn't be taken too seriously, but yes, half kalash half Chechen seems within the range, depending on the individual. Sometimes some individuals get Pathan+ North Ossetian , or Afghan Pashtun + Azeri, makrani + tabarassan and so forth. We are basically half "Pakistani" half Caucasus.

This is what I keep telling people, especially the thing about the IBD.

['owight Gavnah]

Why is my opinion invaluable?

I was just searching through genetics thread section and found this. I am not too familiar with genetics but i like to know more.

He is just a butthurt human with inferiority complexes, your opinion is NOT invaluable. You are more than welcome to express your opinion. This forum needs to tone it's shit down.

[Milo]

You guys don't understand how much you're fuelling the ego of west asians :picard2:

Yes, you guys are Iranic, and you don't need to "associate" with Indians/Indics(no one is telling you to do so). You also don't need to associate with some random group like Kurds either.
The more you act like wannabes, the more people will troll you guys...

[Milo]

He is just a butthurt human with inferiority complexes, your opinion is NOT invaluable. You are more than welcome to express your opinion. This forum needs to tone it's shit down.You ESL piece of shit, Invaluble means "extremely useful; indispensable"

[Myanthropologies]

You guys don't understand how much you're fuelling the ego of west asians :picard2:

Yes, you guys are Iranic, and you don't need to "associate" with Indians/Indics(no one is telling you to do so). You also don't need to associate with some random group like Kurds either.
The more you act like wannabes, the more people will troll you guys...

We are not associating with Kurds, we are just answering the question. There is nothing wannabe about an Iranic ethnic group saying that it is closer to another Iranic ethnic group than to the main peoples of a non Iranic ethnic group.

[Chippy]

We are not associating with Kurds, we are just answering the question. There is nothing wannabe about an Iranic ethnic group saying that it is closer to another Iranic ethnic group than to the main peoples of a non Iranic ethnic group.

Who started the thread? an AFGHAN PASHTUN.

[Milo]

We are not associating with Kurds, we are just answering the question. There is nothing wannabe about an Iranic ethnic group saying that it is closer to another Iranic ethnic group than to the main peoples of a non Iranic ethnic group.If you keep saying it again and again, everyone will think you're wannabes. This is why West Asians are trolling you guys, don't you get it? Pashtuns are Pashtuns, fuck Iranic, Indic, Dardick, etc.

[Myanthropologies]

Who started the thread? an AFGHAN PASHTUN.

You are clearly blind. A pashtun did not start the thread.

[Myanthropologies]

If you keep saying it again and again, everyone will think you're wannabes. This is why West Asians are trolling you guys, don't you get it? Pashtuns are Pashtuns, let them be so.

I was the one saying pashtuns are pashtuns ages ago, yet other people were the ones obsessed with comparing them.

['owight Gavnah]

You guys don't understand how much you're fuelling the ego of west asians :picard2:

Yes, you guys are Iranic, and you don't need to "associate" with Indians/Indics(no one is telling you to do so). You also don't need to associate with some random group like Kurds either.
The more you act like wannabes, the more people will troll you guys...

SO WHY ARE PEOPLE MAKiNG TROLL THREADS ABOUT US THEN? AND FALSLEY SPREADING FACTS ABOUT US? DID WE MAKE THIS THREAD?

And Kurds are not "random". We are both iranics.

['owight Gavnah]

You ESL piece of shit, Invaluble means "extremely useful; indispensable"

Bit rude, however I apologise. My bad.

['owight Gavnah]

Who started the thread? an AFGHAN PASHTUN.

You need to wear spectacles my dear friend. If someone starts a thread about your ethnicity, trolling them, falsely spreading bullsh**, you would react wouldn't you? And it's NOT like I threw insults around, I backed up my explanation with evidence.

[Chippy]

You need to wear spectacles my dear friend. If someone starts a thread about your ethnicity, trolling them, falsely spreading bullsh**, you would react wouldn't you? And it's NOT like I threw insults around, I backed up my explanation with evidence.

I agree with you 100%. I've told South Asian members here to stop trying to associate themselves with Afghans and Persians. They are just making fools of themselves when they do this.

[turbosat]

SO WHY ARE PEOPLE MAKiNG TROLL THREADS ABOUT US THEN? AND FALSLEY SPREADING FACTS ABOUT US? DID WE MAKE THIS THREAD?

And Kurds are not "random". We are both iranics.

Iranic is just a lingusitic group. It doesn't mean Pashtuns are directly related to Kurds. Just like in India people speak Indo-Aryan languages, it does not mean all those Indo-Aryan speakers are descended from Aryans.

['owight Gavnah]

Iranic is just a lingusitic group. It doesn't mean Pashtuns are directly related to Kurds. Just like in India people speak Indo-Aryan languages, it does not mean all those Indo-Aryan speakers are descended from Aryans.

So your trying to tell me Pashtuns and Tajiks are not descended from iranic tribes? I hope not.

[Squall Leonhart]

Pashtuns are closer to Northwest Indians(Punjabis, Kashmiris, and Himachalis) than Kurds in every way.

[Hadouken]

Pashtuns are closer to Northwest Indians(Punjabis, Kashmiris, and Himachalis) than Kurds in every way.

no . dont exeggerate . pashtuns are different from indians . they are different from us too but there is a continuum between us

[Squall Leonhart]

Indian isn't a universal term. A Pashtun is much closer to a Kashmiri than he is to a Kurd from Anatolia.

[Myanthropologies]

I transferred to a new university (which is one of the most diverse in America), and Afghans are definitely closer to Kurds in looks and culture. Before, I didn't know too much about kurds, but after hanging out with some people from persian student association, I found out that a lot of the members were afghans and Kurds too. There's a lot of south asians on campus too, and they have their own club (well, there is a club for each south asian ethnicity, and then a south asians club, which I find weird but whatever). They don't consider pashtuns as south asian/desi and see them as closer to Iranians.

[Myanthropologies]

Indian isn't a universal term. A Pashtun is much closer to a Kashmiri than he is to a Kurd from Anatolia.

Kashmiris are such a small minority in India, and even they are pretty foreign. Afghans are still and always will be an Iranian people, which actually means much more than people give it credit for, and it's much more obvious in person.

[Squall Leonhart]

Kashmiris are such a small minority in India, and even they are pretty foreign. Afghans are still and always will be an Iranian people, which actually means much more than people give it credit for, and it's much more obvious in person.

I mean most of South Asia has foreign DNA due to ANI being so crucial.

But Iranian people? They're Iranic but not Iranian.

[Myanthropologies]

I mean most of South Asia has foreign DNA due to ANI being so crucial.

But Iranian people? They're Iranic but not Iranian.

Most of their history is shared with Iranians and their culture is very Iranian like. I go to university with a huge chunk of Middle Easterners, and the afghans all fit in with the middle easterners. The south asians don't really interact with them that much. The south asians are all Bengalis, Sri Lankans, Indians, and Pakistanis.

[Squall Leonhart]

Most of their history is shared with Iranians and their culture is very Iranian like. I go to university with a huge chunk of Middle Easterners, and the afghans all fit in with the middle easterners. The south asians don't really interact with them that much. The south asians are all Bengalis, Sri Lankans, Indians, and Pakistanis.

Many Pakistanis I meet with interact with both Indians and Middle Easterners, well at least just those that are Islamic. But not even Pashtuns? Pak and Afgh Pahstuns are the same.

[Myanthropologies]

Many Pakistanis I meet with interact with both Indians and Middle Easterners, well at least just those that are Islamic. But not even Pashtuns? Pak and Afgh Pahstuns are the same.

Of course they are, but I've never met many Pakistani Pashtuns. Most of the ones I've met are afghan. That is not to say that some indians aren't familiar. But between kurds, I would say afghans feel closer to them than they do to any indians. And they are look wise closer to Kurds than they are to indians too. I mean, there's a shit load of Afghans and Kurds in the persian student association here, they all obviously feel more connection than people assume.

[Squall Leonhart]

Of course they are, but I've never met many Pakistani Pashtuns. Most of the ones I've met are afghan. That is not to say that some indians aren't familiar. But between kurds, I would say afghans feel closer to them than they do to any indians. And they are look wise closer to Kurds than they are to indians too. I mean, there's a shit load of Afghans and Kurds in the persian student association here, they all obviously feel more connection than people assume.
Could you explain why you were banned from AG?

[Myanthropologies]

Could you explain why you were banned from AG?

Because the administrators there are biased, that's why. It is clear that many of them have agendas. They would break the so called rules all the time, but if someone said something they didn't like, they got annoying.

Anyways, I took a bit of a break from anthropology internet forms to regain my sanity and go back to the person I was. I've transferred to a new university and have met a lot of new people and learned a lot of new things. I was a bit immature on the internet, but now I've changed and I'm more interested in culture rather than this dna stuff people are hooked on. I want to become a biomedical anthropologist and eventually a professor.

[Leto]

Kurdish

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.33
2 East_Med 29.77
3 South_Asian 8.07
4 West_Med 6.20
5 Red_Sea 5.69
6 North_Atlantic 3.67
7 Baltic 3.55
8 Siberian 1.01
9 Northeast_African 0.52
10 Amerindian 0.49
11 East_Asian 0.36
12 Oceanian 0.28
13 Sub-Saharan 0.07

Afghan_Pashtun

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.20
2 South_Asian 25.38
3 Baltic 10.18
4 North_Atlantic 8.26
5 East_Med 7.01
6 Siberian 3.82
7 East_Asian 1.49
8 Amerindian 1.30
9 Red_Sea 0.97
10 Sub-Saharan 0.59
11 Oceanian 0.47
12 West_Med 0.26
13 Northeast_African 0.07

Punjabi_Jat

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 43.04
2 West_Asian 35.03
3 Baltic 10.46
4 North_Atlantic 7.52
5 Amerindian 1.30
6 East_Med 0.74
7 Red_Sea 0.59
8 Siberian 0.41
9 Sub-Saharan 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.33
11 East_Asian 0.07
12 Northeast_African 0.07
13 West Med 0.07

[SexyLionMan]

Kurdish

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.33
2 East_Med 29.77
3 South_Asian 8.07
4 West_Med 6.20
5 Red_Sea 5.69
6 North_Atlantic 3.67
7 Baltic 3.55
8 Siberian 1.01
9 Northeast_African 0.52
10 Amerindian 0.49
11 East_Asian 0.36
12 Oceanian 0.28
13 Sub-Saharan 0.07

Afghan_Pashtun

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.20
2 South_Asian 25.38
3 Baltic 10.18
4 North_Atlantic 8.26
5 East_Med 7.01
6 Siberian 3.82
7 East_Asian 1.49
8 Amerindian 1.30
9 Red_Sea 0.97
10 Sub-Saharan 0.59
11 Oceanian 0.47
12 West_Med 0.26
13 Northeast_African 0.07

Punjabi_Jat

# Population Percent
1 South_Asian 43.04
2 West_Asian 35.03
3 Baltic 10.46
4 North_Atlantic 7.52
5 Amerindian 1.30
6 East_Med 0.74
7 Red_Sea 0.59
8 Siberian 0.41
9 Sub-Saharan 0.38
10 Oceanian 0.33
11 East_Asian 0.07
12 Northeast_African 0.07
13 West Med 0.07




Interesting! The Punjabi Jat sample has more Baltic than the Afghan Pathan and more North Atlantic than the Kurdish person according to these samples. LOL

[Leto]

Interesting! The Punjabi Jat sample has more Baltic than the Afghan Pathan and more North Atlantic than the Kurdish person according to these samples. LOL
It would be interesting to compare them through nMonte.

[MS85]

As an ethnic Kurd (of Kurdic race) I don't feel related to Pashtuns.

[MS85]

Interesting! The Punjabi Jat sample has more Baltic than the Afghan Pathan and more North Atlantic than the Kurdish person according to these samples. LOLThat is because (South)Central Asia has more Scythian/Steppes ancestry than Kurdistan. Nothing special about it..

[Thambi]

If we're talking about northwest indians, then yeah obviously pashtuns (both afghan and pakistani pashtun users) are shifted towards NW indians than kurds.

The farthest away punjabi jat sample is closer to all of the pashtuns than the closest kurdish sample. Btw i used actual afghan and pakistani pashtun users since many think that pashtun hgdp samples are very southern shifted. rukha is partially tajik as well.



"Custom:AGUser_Mingle",
"fit": 2.4355,
"Punjabi_Jat": 75.83,
"Kurdish": 24.17,
"closestDistances":
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"Punjabi_Jat: PJ003: 5.450033",
"Punjabi_Jat:aaronbee2010_AGUser: 5.565540",
"Punjabi_Jat:Zuran_Aftab_AGUser: 5.571883",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_a_AGUser: 5.697822",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ001: 5.877764",
"Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser: 5.916710",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ004: 5.916734",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_d_AGUser: 6.089766",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_b_AGUser: 6.279576",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ002: 6.305251",
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 13.521414",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 13.707320",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 15.165783"

"sample": "Pashtun:Rukha_AGUser",
"fit": 3.3566,
"Punjabi_Jat": 73.33,
"Kurdish": 26.67,
"closestDistances": [
"Punjabi_Jat:aaronbee2010_AGUser: 5.580921",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ001: 6.106408",
"Punjabi_Jat:Zuran_Aftab_AGUser: 6.470593",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ003: 6.704987",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_d_AGUser: 6.724040",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_a_AGUser: 7.111725",
"Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser: 7.166051",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ004: 7.166070",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_b_AGUser: 7.364074",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_AGUser: 7.505849",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ002: 7.636419",
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 12.623436",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 13.010229",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 14.198352"

"Pashtun:surbakhun_AGUser",
"fit": 3.0935,
"Punjabi_Jat": 65,
"Kurdish": 35,
"closestDistances": [
"Punjabi_Jat:aaronbee2010_AGUser: 6.652636",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ001: 6.919188",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ003: 7.380132",
"Punjabi_Jat:Zuran_Aftab_AGUser: 7.399029",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_d_AGUser: 7.668877",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_a_AGUser: 7.731131",
"Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser: 7.856701",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ004: 7.856701",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_b_AGUser: 7.936576",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_AGUser: 8.224775",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ002: 8.657288",
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 11.421615",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 11.872953",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 12.928919"

[Borealis]

It would be interesting to compare them through nMonte.

We can do this.

"sample": "Pashtun:Average",
"fit": 3.1711,
"Iranian_Bandari": 58.33,
"Piramalai": 24.17,
"Norwegian": 14.17,
"Evenk": 3.33,
"BedouinB": 0,
"Han": 0,
"Syrian": 0,


{
"sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Average",
"fit": 3.6979,
"Piramalai": 42.5,
"Iranian_Bandari": 39.17,
"Norwegian": 17.5,
"Evenk": 0.83,
"BedouinB": 0,
"Han": 0,
"Syrian": 0,

[Rgvgjhvv]

A Pakistani man once asked me if I was Punjabi.

[Thambi]

A Pakistani man once asked me if I was Punjabi.

LOL

[Leto]

How much Steppe do Kurds approximately have? BA Steppe.

[FinalFlash]

How much Steppe do Kurds approximately have? BA Steppe.

15-20% based off their limited sample size on G25.

[Borealis]

If we're talking about northwest indians, then yeah obviously pashtuns (both afghan and pakistani pashtun users) are shifted towards NW indians than kurds.

The farthest away punjabi jat sample is closer to all of the pashtuns than the closest kurdish sample. Btw i used actual afghan and pakistani pashtun users since many think that pashtun hgdp samples are very southern shifted. rukha is partially tajik as well.



"Custom:AGUser_Mingle",
"fit": 2.4355,
"Punjabi_Jat": 75.83,
"Kurdish": 24.17,
"closestDistances":
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_AGUser: 5.387735",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ003: 5.450033",
"Punjabi_Jat:aaronbee2010_AGUser: 5.565540",
"Punjabi_Jat:Zuran_Aftab_AGUser: 5.571883",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_a_AGUser: 5.697822",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ001: 5.877764",
"Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser: 5.916710",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ004: 5.916734",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_d_AGUser: 6.089766",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_b_AGUser: 6.279576",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ002: 6.305251",
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 13.521414",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 13.707320",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 15.165783"

"sample": "Pashtun:Rukha_AGUser",
"fit": 3.3566,
"Punjabi_Jat": 73.33,
"Kurdish": 26.67,
"closestDistances": [
"Punjabi_Jat:aaronbee2010_AGUser: 5.580921",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ001: 6.106408",
"Punjabi_Jat:Zuran_Aftab_AGUser: 6.470593",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ003: 6.704987",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_d_AGUser: 6.724040",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_a_AGUser: 7.111725",
"Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser: 7.166051",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ004: 7.166070",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_b_AGUser: 7.364074",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_AGUser: 7.505849",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ002: 7.636419",
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 12.623436",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 13.010229",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 14.198352"

"Pashtun:surbakhun_AGUser",
"fit": 3.0935,
"Punjabi_Jat": 65,
"Kurdish": 35,
"closestDistances": [
"Punjabi_Jat:aaronbee2010_AGUser: 6.652636",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ001: 6.919188",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ003: 7.380132",
"Punjabi_Jat:Zuran_Aftab_AGUser: 7.399029",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_d_AGUser: 7.668877",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_a_AGUser: 7.731131",
"Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser: 7.856701",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ004: 7.856701",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_b_AGUser: 7.936576",
"Punjabi_Jat:Jatt1_AGUser: 8.224775",
"Punjabi_Jat: PJ002: 8.657288",
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 11.421615",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 11.872953",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 12.928919"

theyre closer all the way to SI brahmins than Kurds actually. The exception being the very western shifted ones.

[MS85]

How much Steppe do Kurds approximately have? BA Steppe.Kurds are up to '1/5' Alan/Scythian/Saka, so they have between 15-20 of Steppes ancestry.

[Ayetooey]

A Pakistani man once asked me if I was Punjabi.

Well? Are you?

[Kaspias]

How much Steppe do Kurds approximately have? BA Steppe.

[
{
"sample": "Kurdish:Average",
"fit": 1.4165,
"IRN_Hasanlu_IA": 70,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 12.5,
"Anatolia_IA": 9.17,
"Saka_Tian_Shan": 8.33,


[
{
"sample": "Kurdish:Average",
"fit": 1.5388,
"IRN_Hasanlu_IA": 80,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 10,
"Anatolia_IA": 5.83,
"Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA": 4.17,

[MS85]

[
{
"sample": "Kurdish:Average",
"fit": 1.4165,
"IRN_Hasanlu_IA": 70,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 12.5,
"Anatolia_IA": 9.17,
"Saka_Tian_Shan": 8.33,


[
{
"sample": "Kurdish:Average",
"fit": 1.5388,
"IRN_Hasanlu_IA": 80,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 10,
"Anatolia_IA": 5.83,
"Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA": 4.17,Anatolia_IA & IRN_IA have already some Scythian in it. Actually, Anatolia_IA (or Armenia_IA) had a lot Scythian Steppes related ancestry.

[Leto]

[
{
"sample": "Kurdish:Average",
"fit": 1.4165,
"IRN_Hasanlu_IA": 70,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 12.5,
"Anatolia_IA": 9.17,
"Saka_Tian_Shan": 8.33,


[
{
"sample": "Kurdish:Average",
"fit": 1.5388,
"IRN_Hasanlu_IA": 80,
"Levant_LBN_Roman": 10,
"Anatolia_IA": 5.83,
"Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA": 4.17,
That's not a Bronze Age Steppe component.

[Kaspias]

Anatolia_IA & IRN_IA have already some Scythian in it. Actually, Anatolia_IA had a lot Scythian Steppes related ancestry.

I find more possibility in Anatolia_IA to be Thracian when compared to the other ancient Balkan results. It seems like a sample from Bithynians to me, the Eastern branch of Thracians.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/ef/53/70ef53b3ae4c2f7f938cd4f4a55dab3d.jpg

Although i don't have any ancestor from Anatolia i got Anatolia_IA as closest population in single population sharing of G25 Ancient.


Thoughts on this?

[Thambi]

How much Steppe do Kurds approximately have? BA Steppe.

There are only three kurdish samples used in the database. I listed the average and the three individual samples. As an average, they get 12.5% steppe with a range from 4% to 16% based on the samples.

https://i.imgur.com/Sog5gvh.png

"Kurdish:Average",
"fit": 1.049,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 37.5,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 31.67,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 17.5,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 12.5,
"Mongola": 0.83,
"Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX": 0

"Kurdish:kurd1101",
"fit": 1.3171,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 37.5,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 24.17,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 23.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 13.33,
"Mongola": 1.67,
"Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX": 0,

"Kurdish:kurd1156",
"fit": 1.6725,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 36.67,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 36.67,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 20.83,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 4.17,
"Mongola": 1.67,
"Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX": 0

"Kurdish:kurd1159",
"fit": 1.5183,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C": 39.17,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 28.33,
"RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 15.83,
"Anatolia_Barcin_C": 15,
"Mongola": 1.67,
"Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX": 0

[MS85]

Although i don't have any ancestor from Anatolia i got Anatolia_IA as closest population in single population sharing of G25 Ancient.


Thoughts on this?Ancient Minoans & Mycenaeans had a lot ancient Anatolian in them. Modern Greeks are actually more Steppes shifted (because of Slavic people) than ancient proto-Hellenic Mycenaeans.


https://i.postimg.cc/FzSjHJRW/genetic-origins-of-the-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans.png

[Rgvgjhvv]

LOL


Well? Are you?

Sasriyakal uncle ji

[Thambi]

theyre closer all the way to SI brahmins than Kurds actually. The exception being the very western shifted ones.

https://i.imgur.com/FzZDG9r.png

They're roughly equidistant to kurds and tamil brahmins. Afghan pashtuns lean towards kurds while pakistani pashtuns lean towards tamil brahmins

"sample": "Custom:AGUser_Mingle",
"fit": 4.0741,
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu": 54.17,
"Kurdish": 45.83,
"closestDistances": [
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:sudkol_AGUser: 11.48734",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:Varun_AGUser: 11.83967",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB003: 13.46738",
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 13.52141",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001: 13.59852",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 13.70732",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 15.16578"
]
},
{
"sample": "Pashtun:HGDP00259",
"fit": 4.7986,
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu": 56.67,
"Kurdish": 43.33,
"closestDistances": [
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:sudkol_AGUser: 11.10342",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:Varun_AGUser: 11.82452",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB003: 13.06242",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001: 13.18800",
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 13.95252",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 14.14014",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 15.54494"
]
},
{
"sample": "Pashtun: Pashtun2_20Af",
"fit": 5.1542,
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu": 51.67,
"Kurdish": 48.33,
"closestDistances": [
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:sudkol_AGUser: 12.16159",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:Varun_AGUser: 12.97687",
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 13.18085",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 13.38382",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB003: 14.03471",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001: 14.26763",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 14.63753"
]
},
{
"sample": "Pashtun: Pashtun2_22Af",
"fit": 4.5006,
"Kurdish": 55,
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu": 45,
"closestDistances": [
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 11.82139",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 12.07311",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:sudkol_AGUser: 13.03279",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 13.22780",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:Varun_AGUser: 14.07450",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB003: 14.78786",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001: 15.01328"
]
},
{
"sample": "Pashtun: Pashtun2_8Af",
"fit": 4.7686,
"Kurdish": 55,
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu": 45,
"closestDistances": [
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 11.75387",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 12.06247",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:sudkol_AGUser: 13.30257",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 13.63705",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:Varun_AGUser: 14.05155",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB003: 15.30307",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001: 15.57025"
]
},
{
"sample": "Pashtun:Rukha_AGUser",
"fit": 5.3902,
"Kurdish": 52.5,
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu": 47.5,
"closestDistances": [
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 12.62344",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:sudkol_AGUser: 12.94893",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 13.01023",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:Varun_AGUser: 13.83733",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 14.19835",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB003: 14.63059",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001: 14.84318"
]
},
{
"sample": "Pashtun:surbakhun_AGUser",
"fit": 4.4644,
"Kurdish": 56.67,
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu": 43.33,
"closestDistances": [
"Kurdish:kurd1159: 11.42162",
"Kurdish:kurd1101: 11.87295",
"Kurdish:kurd1156: 12.92892",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:sudkol_AGUser: 13.40029",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:Varun_AGUser: 14.39250",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB003: 15.21018",
"Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001: 15.38357"

[Leto]

Hadouken's G25 (closest fit)

"fit": 2.2856,

"Anatolia_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA": 30,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 27.5,
"IRN_Tepe_Hissar_ChL": 26.67,
"RUS_Afanasievo": 12.5,
"JPN_Jomon": 3.33,
"Simulated_AASI": 0,

[Pahli]

Anatolia_IA & IRN_IA have already some Scythian in it. Actually, Anatolia_IA (or Armenia_IA) had a lot Scythian Steppes related ancestry.

Stop clowning, Iran_IA doesn't have any Scythian, it has barely any South Indian / East Eurasian, its a pre-Iranian sample. Scythians arrived in Iran around 600 B.C

[Voskos]

North indians?not sure

[MS85]

Stop clowning, Iran_IA doesn't have any Scythian, it has barely any South Indian / East Eurasian, its a pre-Iranian sample. Scythians arrived in Iran around 600 B.CCheck Kit M381564 (Iran Iron Age, 971-832 BC) that I have got from here: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/32877-HarappaWorld-Gedmatch-post-and-compare-your-admixtures-to-ancient-and-contemporary/page2


Dodecad K12b: Gedmatch Kit M381564 (Iran Iron Age, 971-832 BC)

1 Caucasus 45.5
2 Gedrosia 28.82
3 Southwest_Asian 13.62
4 Atlantic_Med 7.64
5 North_European 4.43


My own (Ezdi Kurd) Dodecad K12b

1 Caucasus 37.74
2 Gedrosia 28.03
3 Southwest_Asian 14.71
4 Atlantic_Med 8.75
5 North_European 4.86
6 South_Asian 2.7
7 Northwest_African 1.8
8 Siberian 0.91
9 Southeast_Asian 0.42
10 East_Asian 0.09


Almost the same, but we Kurds are just a little bit more shifted toward the Levant/Armenia (due to the ancient Hurrians/Chaldeans/Babylonians) than Iron Age Aryans.

[MS85]

Check Kit M381564 (Iran Iron Age, 971-832 BC) that I have got from here: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/32877-HarappaWorld-Gedmatch-post-and-compare-your-admixtures-to-ancient-and-contemporary/page2


Dodecad K12b: Gedmatch Kit M381564 (Iran Iron Age, 971-832 BC)

1 Caucasus 45.5
2 Gedrosia 28.82
3 Southwest_Asian 13.62
4 Atlantic_Med 7.64
5 North_European 4.43
Single Population Sharing of this IRON Age ARYAN from 971-832 BC

Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 4.07
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 5.5
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.76


Kurds are even after 3000 years similar to our Iron Age ARYAN ancestors. We are the purest Aryans on this planet, period.

[MS85]

HarappaWorld: Genetic transformation and similarities of Iranians through times.. I'm GOGA here https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/32877-HarappaWorld-Gedmatch-post-and-compare-your-admixtures-to-ancient-and-contemporary/page2

https://i.postimg.cc/t44N3jTj/Aryans.jpg

[MS85]

Scythians arrived in Iran around 600 B.CCimmerians appeared at least about 1000 BC in Northwest Asia (Kurdistan) and are mentioned later in 8th century BC in Assyrian records. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimmerians


There is a significant change of auDNA in Kurdistan between the Copper Age and Iron Age. Aryan Baloch/Gedrosia auDNA is reduced by 25% (from 39 to 29). I think it can be related to those Cimmerians/Scythians. There is a lot Y-DNA hg. I2a in Kurdistan.

Or the reduction of the Aryan Baloch/Gedrosia auDNA is because of the LBA Armenia.

Dodecad K12b: Gedmatch Kit M734029 - sample I1634 Armenia Copper Age 4330-4060 BC

Population Percent
1 Caucasus 45.08
2 Atlantic_Med 17.61
3 Gedrosia 16.18
4 North_European 15.43
5 Southwest_Asian 5.53
6 South_Asian 0.17


Dodecad K12b: Gedmatch Kit M497255 sample RISE397 Armenia Early Bronze Age 2619-2465 BC

Population Percent
1 Caucasus 54.79
2 Gedrosia 23.42
3 Southwest_Asian 9.77
4 North_European 6.13
5 Atlantic_Med 5.74
6 Sub_Saharan 0.14


Dodecad K12b: Gedmatch Kit M497255 sample RISE397 Armenia Late Bronze early Iron Age 1048-855 BC

Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.83
2 Gedrosia 23.12
3 Atlantic_Med 20.37
4 North_European 17.08
5 Sub_Saharan 0.6



Dodecad K12b: Gedmatch Kit M091434 - sample I1584 Anatolia Copper Age

Population Percent
1 Caucasus 50.06
2 Atlantic_Med 29.57
3 Southwest_Asian 8.71
4 Gedrosia 8.04
5 North_European 3.03
6 Northwest_African 0.33
7 Siberian 0.13
8 Sub_Saharan 0.13


Dodecad K12b: Gedmatch Kit M300627 - sample Kum4 Anatolia Early Bronze Age 3500–2800 BC

Population Percent
1 North_European 28.56
2 Caucasus 27.91
3 Gedrosia 24.05
4 Atlantic_Med 14.14
5 Southeast_Asian 3.53
6 Southwest_Asian 1.8

[MS85]

About the ARYANS or Umman Manda of Kurdistan


Umman Manda (Akkadian for the horde from who knows where) is a term used in the early second and first millennia BC for a poorly known people in the Ancient Near East. They have been identified in different contexts as Hurrians, Elamites, Medes, Cimmerians, and Scythians. The homeland of Umman Manda seems to be somewhere from Central Anatolia to north or northeastern Babylonia in what later came to be known as Mitanni, Mannae and Media, respectively. Zaluti, whose name seems to have an Indo-Iranian etymology, is mentioned as a leader of Ummanda Manda. He is even suggested to be identified with Salitis the founder of the Hyksos, the Fifteenth dynasty of Egypt.

In the first millennium BC, the term denoted Cimmerians and/or Medes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umman_Manda

[Pahli]

Single Population Sharing of this IRON Age ARYAN from 971-832 BC

Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 4.07
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 5.5
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.76


Kurds are even after 3000 years similar to our Iron Age ARYAN ancestors. We are the purest Aryans on this planet, period.

Look into Central Asian East Iranian groups (Yaghnobis, Pamiris) they have way more Aryan admixture than Middle Eastern Iranian groups.
Besides, these are "pure" Aryans, Andronovo:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 56.83
2 Mediterranean 18.38
3 Baloch 18.17
4 Caucasian 3.13
5 American 1.78
6 Siberian 0.95
7 W-African 0.4
8 S-Indian 0.36

[MS85]

Look into Central Asian East Iranian groups (Yaghnobis, Pamiris) they have way more Aryan admixture than Middle Eastern Iranian groups.
Besides, these are "pure" Aryans, Andronovo:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 56.83
2 Mediterranean 18.38
3 Baloch 18.17
4 Caucasian 3.13
5 American 1.78
6 Siberian 0.95
7 W-African 0.4
8 S-Indian 0.36What are you talking about? My reference to the 'pure' Aryans are the Aryan Medes. The Aryan Medes evolved from the Aryan Mitanni/Kassites and became known as Medes around 1100 BC. We have got Aryan DNA from 971-832 BC in Kurdistan, from the era and area/region of the Aryan Medes.

The Medes (Umman Manda) were 'pure' Aryans and speakers of the Northwest Iranic/Aryan) language similar to Aryan Kurdish. And those ancient Iranic/Aryan samples of the era and the region of the Aryan Medes is almost the same of the modern day Aryan Kurds.


Aryan = Iranian. Iranian people in Kurmnaji is translated into Gelên Arî ( https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelên_Arî_(kom) )

Arî yan jî gelên arî


Andronovo has nothing to do with the Aryans at all. It was later 'Iranianized' by much more Aryan (eastern Iranian) BMAC. BMAC was mostly native to the Iranian Plateau. I lost their Gedmatch numbers.
East Iranian BMAC is older than Andronovo

[MS85]

What you are saying is that ancient Aryan Magi/Medes/Persians were not Aryans. But that doesn't make any sense at all, lol.

My Aryan Kurdish DNA is almost identical to the ancient Medes or Umman Manda, the magnificent Magi. The Medes were 'pure' Aryans, and so am I. And I'm proud of it!

[Pahli]

What are you talking about? My reference to the 'pure' Aryans are the Aryan Medes. The Medes evolved from the Mitanni and became known as Medes around 1100 BC. We have got Aryan DNA from 971-832 BC in Kurdistan, from the era and region of the Aryan Medes.

The Medes (Umman Manda) were 'pure' Aryans and speakers of the Northwest Iranic/Aryan) language similar to Aryan Kurdish. And those ancient Iranic/Aryan samples of the era and the region of the Aryan Medes is almost the same of the modern day Aryan Kurds.


Aryan = Iranian. Iranian people in Kurmnaji is translated into Gelên Arî ( https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelên_Arî_(kom) )


Andronovo has nothing to do with the Aryans at all. It was later 'Iranianized' by much more Aryan (eastern Iranian) BMAC. BMAC was mostly native to the Iranian Plateau. I lost their Gedmatch numbers.
Eas Iranian BMAC is older than Andronovo

I assume the Medes were roughly half Aryan half BMAC (native farmers) and the term Aryan comes from the Steppe invaders, not the natives lol. The real Aryan language is the Avestan language but presumably an older dialect that has not been written down, but you wouldn't understand much of it probably. I don't know where you get this from, most of us are Iranized natives with 12 - 15% Steppe admixture. Even the Medes weren't pure Aryans.

FYI BMAC was Iranized and not the other way around.

[MS85]

I assume the Medes were roughly half Aryan half BMAC (native farmers) and the term Aryan comes from the Steppe invaders, not the natives lol. The real Aryan language is the Avestan language, but you wouldn't understand much of it probably. I don't know where you get this from, most of us are Iranized natives with 12 - 15% Steppe admixture. Even the Medes aren't pure Aryans.

FYI BMAC was Iranized and not the other way around.Are you a retard? Where do you get this kind of retard fantasies? The Medes were fully Aryan. They were not half-Aryan, lol. There is no such thing as 'half' Aryan. They called themselves Aryans and were considered by all other folks in the region as Aryans. The modern Aryans came actually into the existence with the Medes. The Medes evolved from the ancient-Aryan Mitanni/Kassites, nothing to do with the Steppes at all.


The Medes = 100% Aryan
my DNA is identical to the Iron Age Medes. So, I'm ~100% Aryan


Like I said, steppes admixture in Kurds is from the ancient people from th Armenian Plateau or Scythians/Cimmerians



BMAC is OLDER than Andronovo.

Andronovo - 2000 BC
BMAC - 2500 BC, but goes back to 6000 BC

[MS85]

Andronovo - 2000 BC
BMAC - 2500 BC, but goes back to 6000 BC


DNA from BMAC is 85-90 % Iranian (Aryan)

https://i.postimg.cc/4NRDgZbZ/yamna-migrations-indo-iranian.png

[Pahli]

Are you a retard? Where do you get this kind of retard fantasies? The Medes were fully Aryan. They were not half-Aryan, lol. There is no such thing as 'half' Aryan. They called themselves Aryans and were considered by all other folks in the region as Aryans. The modern Aryans came actually into the existence with the Medes. The Medes evolved from the ancient-Aryan Mitanni/Kassites, nothing to do with the Steppes at all.


The Medes = 100% Aryan
my DNA is identical to the Iron Age Medes. So, I'm ~100% Aryan


Like I said, steppes admixture in Kurds is from the ancient people from th Armenian Plateau or Scythians/Cimmerians



BMAC is OLDER than Andronovo.

Andronovo - 2000 BC
BMAC - 2500 BC, but goes back to 6000 BC

Another Aryan retarded wannabe, admit what you are, sure we're "Aryans" but not pure at all.

"WE WUZ 100% ARYANZ'N'SHIET", please don't fucking embarrass us you moron, Aryan culture by the way is linked to Eastern Iranians more so than West Iranians. Kurds have no genetical contribution from Scythians / Cimmerians, they're related loosely to the Medes and more so the Parthians whose language has evolved into dialects that are spoken by the majority of Kurds, at least for my region.

[MS85]

Another Aryan retarded wannabe, admit what you are, sure we're "Aryans" but not pure at all. I don't believe you are a Kurd at all (many anti Kurds make fake accounts and pretend to be Kurds) and even if you are a Kurd, maybe you are not pure and maybe you are mixed with Muslim Arabs, Turkmen/Turks etc.

But as an Ezdi Kurd I'm a 'pure' Aryan. My people NEVER mixed with the disgusting Muslims or Armenians/Assyrians. I'm a DIRECT descendant of the Aryan Medes (Magi).


Ancient Persians and Medes were fully Aryans and they were Western Iranian people. We have ancient Greek sources as evidence. The Greeks called the Medes ARYANS, period.

I have identical DNA with those Aryans. The Medes never said that they were 'half' Aryans, lol. They were just Aryans and nothing else.

Also, Darius wrote this in stone: An Achaemenian, A Persian son of a Persian and an Aryan, of Aryan stock
https://i.postimg.cc/dDMwMyQK/darius.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Vk80nSqT/darius2.jpg


Scythian stelae in Northern Kurdistan (Colemerg)
https://i.postimg.cc/bY1zbmmy/kurg8.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/YqktxQP1/Hakkari.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/nrfpgmhf/PKKstele.jpg

[MS85]

I have more right to claim full Aryan ancestry and claim to be a full Aryan than Darius the Great. Because Darius and Persians in general evolved from the Medes! The Aryan Medes predate the Persians, I'm a Kurmanji/Magi Medes and Darius was just a Persian.

[Pahli]

BRUH, your results are more "native" than mine, go figure

[lameduck]

I have more right to claim full Aryan ancestry and claim to be a full Aryan than Darius the Great. Because Darius and Persians in general evolved from the Medes! The Aryan Medes predate the Persians, I'm a Kurmanji/Magi Medes and Darius was just a Persian.

iranians and Indians are only aryan people left on planet.

[Pahli]

iranians and Indians are only aryan people left on planet.

This guy is a legit lunatic, trying to pass native farmers for "pure Aryans", when in fact some North Indians and Central Asians are known to be the most Aryan :thumb001:

[lameduck]

This guy is a legit lunatic, trying to pass native farmers for "pure Aryans", when in fact some North Indians and Central Asians are known to be the most Aryan :thumb001:

agree South Central Asians and high cast Northern South Asian are some of the most steppe admixed people in Asia.

[Pahli]

agree South Central Asians and high cast Northern South Asian are some of the most steppe admixed people in Asia.

He claims himself to be pure Aryan with 10% Steppe xD

[Purohit ji]

Interesting thing here is that most indians have more iran Neolithic dna than modern iranians. Actually iran Neolithic is indians main genetic component after that asi and steppe dna.

[FinalFlash]

I don't believe you are a Kurd at all (many anti Kurds make fake accounts and pretend to be Kurds) and even if you are a Kurd, maybe you are not pure and maybe you are mixed with Muslim Arabs, Turkmen/Turks etc.

But as an Ezdi Kurd I'm a 'pure' Aryan. My people NEVER mixed with the disgusting Muslims or Armenians/Assyrians. I'm a DIRECT descendant of the Aryan Medes (Magi).


Ancient Persians and Medes were fully Aryans and they were Western Iranian people. We have ancient Greek sources as evidence. The Greeks called the Medes ARYANS, period.

I have identical DNA with those Aryans. The Medes never said that they were 'half' Aryans, lol. They were just Aryans and nothing else.

Also, Darius wrote this in stone: An Achaemenian, A Persian son of a Persian and an Aryan, of Aryan stock
https://i.postimg.cc/dDMwMyQK/darius.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Vk80nSqT/darius2.jpg


Scythian stelae in Northern Kurdistan (Colemerg)
https://i.postimg.cc/bY1zbmmy/kurg8.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/YqktxQP1/Hakkari.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/nrfpgmhf/PKKstele.jpg

Let's see some Yezdi kit numbers.

[StonyArabia]

Kurds are closer to other West Asians like Anatolian Turks, Armenians, Assyrians, Persians. Pashtuns are closer to North Indians. Plus Kurds are culturally different. Pashtuns have Indian influence and were Hindu and Buddhists well Kurds are mostly Zoroastrian originally.

[Nazarene]

Let's see some Yezdi kit numbers.

T857736
T663867

[Pahli]

Interesting thing here is that most indians have more iran Neolithic dna than modern iranians. Actually iran Neolithic is indians main genetic component after that asi and steppe dna.

Iran_N in Iran got mixed with Anatolian and Levant farmers, which is why modern Iranians are more Western shifted and have less Iran_N admixture as well.

[StonyArabia]

Iranians/Kurds are just linguistically Indo-Europeanized Mesopotamian/Iranian plateau natives

[Pahli]

Iranians/Kurds are just linguistically Indo-Europeanized Mesopotamian/Iranian plateau natives

More or less this, East Iranians are the ones who actually have some Iranian genetical contribution.

[lameduck]

Iranians/Kurds are just linguistically Indo-Europeanized Mesopotamian/Iranian plateau natives

Indo iranic world to me is from East Afghanistan to North/North West India

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/courses-images/wp-content/uploads/sites/1849/2017/05/31160402/civilt-c3-a0valleindomappa.png

[lameduck]

More or less this, East Iranians are the ones who actually have some Iranian genetical contribution.

but Iranian/Kurds have additional hindukush/IVC type admixture which makes you different from other middle easterners.

[Pahli]

but Iranian/Kurds have additional hindukush/IVC type admixture which makes you different from other middle easterners.

We're basically West Asians with a small shift towards East, but we've always had Hindukush admix, it just diluted over time so we plot closer to West Asia instead.

[lameduck]

We're basically West Asians with a small shift towards East, but we've always had Hindukush admix, it just diluted over time so we plot closer to West Asia instead.

agreed .

[MS85]

This guy is a legit lunatic, trying to pass native farmers for "pure Aryans", when in fact some North Indians and Central Asians are known to be the most Aryan :thumb001:
You are lost big time. You claim that Scythians only came to Kurdistan around 600 BC, while they found Steppes stelae in Northern Kurdistan from 1500 to 1100 BC.

I have also shown you that Steppes ancestry in Kurdistan has nothing to do with Andronovo. Steppes ancestry is most like from the ancient Armenia that predate Andronovo by thousands of years. There was even Steppes DNA in ancient Armenia BEFORE Yamnaya

[Voskos]

They descend from a bottleneck of one Russian man and one Persian woman.

[MS85]

iranians and Indians are only aryan people left on planet.Kurds are 'Iranians' or Iranic people.

Indians or Paki are not Aryans at all. They are to much mixed with the Dravidians. They are actually Dravidians mixed with the Scythians and other Mongoloid Steppes people wo invaded India from 1500 BC.


I'm a direct descendant of the Medes. The Medes were Aryans and that makes me a full Aryan.

[MS85]

We're basically West Asians with a small shift towards East, but we've always had Hindukush admix, it just diluted over time so we plot closer to West Asia instead.Kurds are West Asians like the Aryan Medes and other REAL Aryans. Aryans are native to West Asia and were born after the ancient Armenian Plateau farmers and Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers mixed together.

[Pahli]

You are lost big time. You claim that Scythians only came to Kurdistan around 600 BC, while they found Steppes stelae in Northern Kurdistan from 1500 to 1100 BC.

I have also shown you that Steppes ancestry in Kurdistan has nothing to do with Andronovo. Steppes ancestry is most like from the ancient Armenia that predate Andronovo by thousands of years. There was even Steppes DNA in ancient Armenia BEFORE Yamnaya

Those are not "Steppe stelae" but wares from an Iranian culture, you don't understand the concept of genetics and culture at all. That Armenian sample you are talking about is an intrusion from Yamnaya / Pre-Yamnaya, look up the Hajji Firuz sample that is half Yamnayan and half Iranian_Chalcholithic, that is just ONE sample, most of us are natives with ~15% Steppe, get over the wet dreams. I have a feeling you're a troll / sock of someone.

[MS85]

He claims himself to be pure Aryan with 10% Steppe xD10% so called Steppes in me has NOTHING to do with later migrations. It is actually very ancient from the ancient Bronze Age / Copper Age Armenia.

Copper Age Armenian predate even Yamnaya, and you speak about Andronovo, lol

[MS85]

Those are not "Steppe stelae" but an wares from an Iranian culture, you don't understand the concept of genetics and culture at all. That Armenian sample you are talking about is an intrusion from Yamnaya / Pre-Yamnaya, look up the Hajji Firuz sample that is half Yamnayan and half Iranian_Chalcholithic, that is just ONE sample, most of us are natives with ~15% Steppe, get over the wet dreams. I have a feeling you're a troll / sock of someone.That is not just 1 samples. Here are more ancient Armenia samples:

M417230 I1407 Armenia Chalcolithic [4350-3700 BC] H L1a-M27
M133098 I1409 Armenia Chalcolithic [4229-3985 BC] U4a -
M162111 I1632 Armenia Chalcolithic [4230-4000 BC] K1a8 L1a-M27
M734029 I1634 Armenia Chalcolithic [4330-4060 BC] H2a1 L1a-M27


ALL of them PREDATE Yamnaya. Yamnaya is only from 3300 BC.


That Steppes stelae is identical to the stelae of Cimmerian/Scythian people from Northern Caucasus. So, they are archaeological evidence that Cimmerians already were in Kurdistan before 1500 BC.


Kurds have got their Steppes related ancestry from the ancient Armenia, absolutely nothing to do with the Mongoloid Central Asia, lol

[MS85]

agree South Central Asians and high cast Northern South Asian are some of the most steppe admixed people in Asia.Their steppes DNA is mostly from the Mongoloid Scythian people. Has nothing 'directly' to do with the REAL Aryans from West Asia.

[Pahli]

You're insane. Iranization of the natives (Persians, Kurds etc) Happened around 1000 B.C to the formation of the Parthian Empire, since the native Elamites still existed up til the Sassanid Empire. Those stelae are similar because both West- and East Iranian people share similar cultural values, or at least used to. You cannot in any way compare Scythian barbarians with sedentary Western Iranian people because they were completely different in culture and genetics too, albeit they had some similarities. Your Steppe is from Central Asia evidently, there might be a bit steppe from Yamnaya prior from North but most Iranian Steppe comes from Central Asia.

If you really want to live in this fantasy world, go do it, you're only fooling yourself.


Their steppes DNA is mostly from the Mongoloid Scythian people. Has nothing 'directly' to do with the REAL Aryans from West Asia.

No its not, Indo-Scythians were still largely Caucasoid with some East Eurasian admixture, look at samples from Tianshan Sakas and Wusun, they are MAX 20% East Eurasian in average. You aren't Aryan, you're just a Kurd larper that is blinded.

[MS85]

Interesting thing here is that most indians have more iran Neolithic dna than modern iranians. Actually iran Neolithic is indians main genetic component after that asi and steppe dna.But the fact is that Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers were native to Kurdistan/Zagros Mountains.

Zagros Aryans from Bronze/Copper Age mixed to much with the ancient Bronze/Copper Age Armenians. Kurds of Zagrosian Aryan race are about 50/50. 50% Armenian Plateau farmers + 50% Iranian Plateau farmers.

[Pahli]

But the fact is that Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers were native to Kurdistan/Zagros Mountains.

Zagros Aryans from Bronze/Copper Age mixed to much with the ancient Bronze/Copper Age Armenians. Kurds of Zagrosian Aryan race are about 50/50. 50% Armenian Plateau farmers + 50% Iranian Plateau farmers.

?????? Natives aren't Aryans, they were Aryanized, you still don't get it do you? They have little to no genetical contribution from the Bronze / Copper age Armenians, I'll show you a copper age Iranian sample with 0% Steppe so you can shut up with this shit.

You barely have 50% Neolithic Iranian because we're mixed with Anatolian and Levant farmers moron, it has nothing to do with the Bronze age Armenians;

Copper age Iranians;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 47.05
2 SW_Europe 25.67
3 SW_Asia 19.11
4 South_Asia 3.42
5 South_Africa 1.43
6 Oceania 1.39
7 NE_Europe 1.14
8 SE_Asia 0.78

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 6.09
2 Assyrian 6.17
3 Turkish_Trabzon 8.62
4 Kurdish 9.7
5 Azerbaijan_Azeri 11.18

2nd one:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 47.96
2 SW_Europe 26.76
3 SW_Asia 17.41
4 South_Asia 3.86
5 West_Africa 1.11
6 NE_Asia 0.94
7 Siberia 0.83
8 South_Africa 0.6
9 Oceania 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Armenian 6.97
2 Assyrian 7.48
3 Turkish_Trabzon 7.66
4 Kurdish 10.55
5 Azerbaijan_Azeri 11.44

Virtually NO steppe, get it through your thick skull. It came with the Iron age Central Asian Iranian tribes, read the fucking Avesta, it even describes Central Asia as the Aryan homeland.

[MS85]

You're insane. Iranization of the natives (Persians, Kurds etc) Happened around 1000 B.C to the formation of the Parthian Empire, since the native Elamites still existed up til the Sassanid Empire. Those stelae are similar because both West- and East Iranian people share similar cultural values, or at least used to. You cannot in any way compare Scythian barbarians with sedentary Western Iranian people because they were completely different in culture and genetics too, albeit they had some similarities. Your Steppe is from Central Asia evidently, there might be a bit steppe from Yamnaya prior from North but most Iranian Steppe comes from Central Asia.

If you really want to live in this fantasy world, go do it, you're only fooling yourself.



No its not, Indo-Scythians were still largely Caucasoid with some East Eurasian admixture, look at samples from Tianshan Sakas and Wusun, they are MAX 20% East Eurasian in average. You aren't Aryan, you're just a Kurd larper that is blinded.Scythians were not a homogeneous group of people. It was just a 'social' construct. Central Asian Scythians from 1500 BC that invaded India were partly Mongoloid. There is a recent academic study about them.

We are NATIVE to Kurdistan, but so were the Sumerians, Mitanni/Kassites, Matienne/Medes etc. Elamites have nothing to do with Aryan Zagros Mountains. Elamites lived next to the Persian Gulf.


My Steppes can be a little bit from the Parthians (who were actually for a huge part the Medes), but is for a huge part from Copper/Bronze Age Armenia, period. It is very ancient and was already present in Kurdistan even before Yamnaya!

[Pahli]

Scythians were not a homogeneous group of people. It was just a 'social' construct. Central Asian Scythians from 1500 BC that invaded India were partly Mongoloid. There is a recent academic study about them.

We are NATIVE to Kurdistan, but so were the Sumerians, Mitanni/Kassites, Matienne/Medes etc. Elamites have nothing to do with Aryan Zagros Mountains. Elamites lived next to the Persian Gulf.


My Steppes can be a little bit from the Parthians (who were actually for a huge part the Medes), but is for a huge part from Copper/Bronze Age Armenia, period. It is very ancient and was already present in Kurdistan even before Yamnaya!

Scythians didn't exist til around 800 B.C, and those that were Mongoloid were mostly Turkified and absorbed into the Xiongnu or the Huns. The Indo-Scythians invaded around 100 B.C - 100 A.D, and they weren't that Mongoloid. Once again, look at Wusun / Tianshen Saka samples, they are not as Mongoloid as other Saka samples. I don't know where you get your shit from but sure is not correct.

[MS85]

?????? Natives aren't Aryans, they were Aryanized, you still don't get it do you? They have little to no genetical contribution from the Bronze / Copper age Armenians, I'll show you a copper age Iranian sample with 0% Steppe so you can shut up with this shit.

You barely have 50% Neolithic Iranian because we're mixed with Anatolian and Levant farmers moron, it has nothing to do with the Bronze age Armenians;

Copper age Iranians;

Virtually NO steppe, get it through your thick skull. It came with the Iron age Central Asian Iranian tribes, read the fucking Avesta, it even describes Central Asia as the Aryan homeland.Why are you spreading fake info? Copper Age Iranian were full of Gedrosia/Baloch auDNA has nothing to do with the Semitic Assyrians from the Levant.


results of Copper Age Iranian Plateau person: M595455 I1670 Iran Chalcolithic [4839-4617 BC] U3a'c -

1 Caucasus 41.71
2 Gedrosia 39.69
3 Southwest_Asian 10.77
4 Atlantic_Med 6.98
5 North_European 0.47
6 East_African 0.27
7 Southeast_Asian 0.11


Single Population Sharing:

Population (source) Distance
1 Iranians (Behar) 11.24
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 11.89
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 12.16
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 12.5


Those Copper Age Iranian Plateau people from Zagros mixed with the ancient Copper Age Armenian Plateau people even BEFORE Yamnaya. This is where Kurds have got most of their Steppes related ancestry from.

[MS85]

Scythians didn't exist til around 800 B.C, and those that were Mongoloid were mostly Turkified and absorbed into the Xiongnu or the Huns. The Indo-Scythians invaded around 100 B.C - 100 A.D, and they weren't that Mongoloid. Once again, look at Wusun / Tianshen Saka samples, they are not as Mongoloid as other Saka samples. I don't know where you get your shit from but sure is not correct.You are such an ignorant fake person. Must be Semitic. I think you are a Semitic ASSyrian.

According to Herodotus Scythians already existed around 1500 BC.

[MS85]

More Copper Age Iranian Plateau kit numbers. All of the are full of 'Gedrosia'.

M595455 I1670 Iran Chalcolithic [4839-4617 BC] U3a'c -
M902476 I1662 Iran Chalcolithic [4831-4612 BC] K1a12a J2a-M410>PF5008
M155294 I1674 Iran Chalcolithic [3972-3800 BC] I1c G1-M342>GG372
M873184 I1665 Iran Chalcolithic [3956-3796 BC] U7a -

[MS85]

The beginning of the Scythians:

Early Eastern Iranians originated in the Yaz culture (ca. 1500–1100 BC) in Central Asia. The Scythians migrated from Central Asia toward Eastern Europe in the 8th and 7th century BC,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages


It is around the same time when Scythians/Eastern Iranians from BMAC/Yaz mixed with the Mongoloid Andronovo Steppes Siberians invaded India

[Leto]

Goys, Zarathustra was born in Chelyabinsk oblast, Russia and he was white :tongue1::icon_lol:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/df/48/08/df4808723d75c86cb49ed915eaea6be2.jpg

[MS85]

Goys, Zarathustra was born in Chelyabinsk oblast, Russia and he was white :tongue1::icon_lol:As an Ezdi Kurd I'm related to the ancient Mithra/Mithraism. Aryan Mithraism of the Medes (from the Sumerians and Mitanni/Kassites) PREDTA Zoroastrianism.

My native Aryan Kurdish (Sumerian/Median MAGI) religion is just hardcore native to Kurdistan.

Mithra folks and Aryan Median MAGI folks were granddaddies of Zoroastrians. :thumb001:

[Leto]

Pahli is a pure Kurd from Western Iran, he ain't mixed, I've seen both his photo and results. In fact he's from a part of proper Kurdistan, not from Eastern Turkey where Kurds were resettled in the medieval times.

[MS85]

The Medes had an ancient Iranian religion (a form of pre-Zoroastrian Mazdaism or Mithra worshipping) with a priesthood named as "Magi".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medes

[MS85]

Pahli is a pure Kurd from Western Iran, he ain't mixed, I've seen both his photo and results. In fact he's from a part of proper Kurdistan, not from Eastern Turkey where Kurds were resettled in the medieval times.You don't know much about the Kurdish history. Just don't say something where you have 0 knowledge about. It looks stupid.
I'm an Ezdi Kurd. And most of my ancestors are just native to Northern Kurdistan. Kurmanji Kurds were always native to SouthEastern Anatolia. Ancient Armenians already wrote about these Aryan Kurdish Kurmanji tribes from the very early times, nothing to do with the Medieval times.

Either he is a moron or he pretends to be somebody else with his fake photo and DNA results.

[Leto]

You don't know much about the Kurdish history. Just don't say something where you have 0 knowledge about. It looks stupid.
I'm an Ezdi Kurd. And most of my ancestors are just native to Northern Kurdistan. Kurmanji Kurds were always native to Eastern Anatolia. Ancient Armenians already wrote about these Aryan Kurdish Kurmanji tribes from the very early times, nothing to do with the Medieval times.

Either he is a moron or he pretends to be somebody else with his fake photo and DNA results.
Dude, I don't wanna respond to you, to be honest. I just wanna say I know that member, he is legit and simply points out that Kurds and Persians are not similar to the Proto-Iranians from Russian and Kazakh steppes (Bronze Age). That's neither trolling, nor stupidity. The Sintashta are thought to have been the proto-Indo-Iranian culture (~2,000 BC). They lived in Russia and Kazakhstan.

[Jana]

Pashtuns have more Aryan ancestry than Kurds, but also more Indic ancestry than them. Kurds are more Natufian/Basal Eurasian, or ''east med''

[MS85]

Dude, I don't wanna respond to you, to be honest. I just wanna say I know that member, he is legit and simply points out that Kurds and Persians are not similar to the Proto-Iranians from Russian and Kazakh steppes (Bronze Age). That's neither trolling, nor stupidity. The Sintashta are thought to have been the proto-Indo-Iranian culture (~2,000 BC). They lived in Russia and Kazakhstan.Proto-Iranians from Russian and Kazakh steppe? Lol, hahaha, good joke. Where is evidence they were Indo-Iranian at the first place? Did they left something in written form? Where is evidence they spoke an Indo-Iranian language?

East Iranian BMAC just Iranianized the Steppe folks. Nothing more, nothing less. Aryan BMAC is OLDER than Sintashta.


Kurds are the direct descendants of the mighty ARYAN Medes. We have nothing to do with the mongrel Sintashta folks. The Medes were TRUE Aryans and not Sintashta mongrels. The Medes called themselves Aryans and the ancient Greek sources are supporting this.

[MS85]

Pashtuns have more Aryan ancestry than Kurds, but also more Indic ancestry than them. Kurds are more Natufian/Basal Eurasian, or ''east med''No, Pashtuns are just more Central Asian 'Scythian'.


Kurds are by far much more true Aryan Medes than Pashtuns. Kurds have much more Aryan Medes blood than any mixed populations in South Central Asia and India


Kurds are fully Caucasoid people and are mixture of the Copper Age people from the Iranian Plateau and Copper Age people from ancient Armenia.

It makes sense, since Iran and Armenia are neighboring territories and Aryan Kurdish Zagros Mountains are in between.

[MS85]

Aryans = Medes = Iranic people

Aryan Medes were just native to Kurdistan. They have nothing to do with Pashtuns or Central Asia


Nobody on this planet has more ancestry from the Aryan Medes than Kurds. Kurds are the DIRECT descendants of those Medes. Kurds speak a Northwestern Iranic language.

[Leto]

Kurds are the direct descendants of the mighty ARYAN Medes. We have nothing to do with the mongrel Sintashta folks. The Medes were TRUE Aryans and not Sintashta mongrels. The Medes called themselves Aryans and the ancient Greek sources are supporting this.
Lol. They were white people, more or less. And you probably can't pass even as the swarthiest European. What do you look like?

[MS85]

Were the northwestern Iranian Medes Aryans and called they themselves Aryans? Yes or no?
Are Kurds as Northwest Iranian people? Is Kurdish a northwest Iranian (Aryan) language? Yes or no?
Is modern Kurdish DNA similar to the ancient DNA from the era and area of the Aryan Medes? Yes on no?


The Medes were ARYANS and I'm a direct descendants of the Aryan MAGI Medes. That makes me an ARYAN, period. The rest is not important.

[MS85]

Lol. They were white people, more or less. And you probably can't pass even as the swarthiest European. What do you look like?So, 'white' looking people can't be mongrel?

Who the fuck cares about 'white'? The Medes were dark, just like the Sumerians.


And people of the Central Asiatic Steppes were always mixed mongels. They had some Mongoloid EHG European, some Mongoloid Siberian, Some Caucasoid CHG/Iranian Plateau auDNA.


As a true Aryan I look like I'm from Bangladesh!

[Leto]

So, 'white' looking people can't be mongrel?

And people of the Steppes were always mixed. They had some Mongoloid EHG European, some Mongoloid Siberian, Some Caucasoid CHG/Iranian Plateau auDNA.


As a true Aryan I look like I'm from Bangladesh!
So fucking what? I'm Russian and Belorussian, I get 5-7% East Eurasian on GEDmatch, mainly from my mother's side (Finno-Ugric influenced Northeast Russian) and I pass as Central European or Baltic easily. Blue eyes, pale skin, light brown hair. Who cares about pure Caucasoidness, Armenians are probably the most caucasoid and they usually don't pass as European. That means nothing.
You have some South Asian as a Kurd, by the way.

[MS85]

So fucking what? I'm Russian and Belorussian, I get 5-7% East Eurasian on GEDmatch, mainly from my mother's side (Finno-Ugric influenced Northeast Russian) and I pass as Central European or Baltic easily. Blue eyes, pale skin, light brown hair. Who cares about pure Caucasoidness, Armenians are probably the most caucasoid and they usually don't pass as European. That means nothing.
You have some South Asian as a Kurd, by the way.Ti ruski. You are Slavic. Slavic people mixed with Tatars, period. Slavic people have NOTHING to do with the Aryans. Ti ne Ariets, lol. Just forget about it.


When my people build Aryan empires, your people still were cannibals. Where was you when my Aryan ancestors created the Aryan Sumero-Mesopotamian civilizations, where were your people when Aryan Mitanni made peace treaties with the Hittites and ancient Egyptians. Where were your ancestors when my Aryan Median ancestors destroyed the Semites in Mesopotamia.


The Medes lived in West Asia. The Median Empire was in West Asia.

Dude, I don't care about Europe at all. I care about KURDISTAN. Kurdistan is in West Asia. I'm a Kurdish nationalist. Kurdistan is in West Asian. I'm native to Kurdistan, that makes me native to West Asia.

[Leto]

Most Russian have no Tatar admixture, that's BS. Tatars live in the Volga-Ural region, like 85% of them. Western and Central parts of European Russia have never had Tatar settlements. The most East Eurasian Russian (no recent mixed ancestry) come from the North where there's no Tatars. Only recently mixed people from the Volga-Ural region as well as the biggest cities may have legit Tatar ancestry (like from the last 100 years or so).
Volga Tatars are like 20% East Eurasian on average, they're probably more Russian than Russians are Tatar, lol.

Of course, I'm not Aryan, I've never claimed to be one. In fact no European group of people ever called themselves Aryan. I'm just interested a little bit in ancient Indo-Europeans and steppe peoples.

[MS85]

Btw, so called EHG or Northeast European auDNA component on Gedmatch is actually partly 'Mongoloid'. It is also related to the ancient Mongoloid Siberian HG.

Thank my ARYAN god I don't have much of that 'Mongoloid' component!

[Leto]

Dude, I don't care about Europe at all. I care about KURDISTAN. Kurdistan is in West Asia. I'm a Kurdish nationalist. Kurdistan is in West Asian. I'm native to Kurdistan, that makes me native to West Asia.
Well, nothing wrong with that but this is not a Kurdish nationalist forum, this is supposed to be a European cultural community, so at least moderate your zeal.
I don't wanna argue with you, I don't particularly care about Kurds (nothing against them either).

[Leto]

Btw, so called EHG or Northeast European auDNA component on Gedmatch is actually partly 'Mongoloid'. It is also related to the ancient Mongoloid Siberian HG.

Thank my ARYAN god I don't have much of that 'Mongoloid' component!
You do have some Ancient North Eurasian, dude. Most Iranians do. Post Eurogenes K7 ANE.

[Chelubey]

No its not, Indo-Scythians were still largely Caucasoid with some East Eurasian admixture, look at samples from Tianshan Sakas and Wusun, they are MAX 20% East Eurasian in average. You aren't Aryan, you're just a Kurd larper that is blinded.
20% is a very big number. Tatars have the same. And these are the most Europeoid sakas?
I doubt that they had Iranian language. There are no Iranian people having a such a mogoloid genetics.

[MS85]

Of course, I'm not Aryan, I've never claimed to be one. In fact no European group of people ever called themselves Aryan. I'm just interested a little bit in ancient Indo-Europeans and steppe peoples.Listen, I was born in the USSR. Russian is next to Kurmanji my mother tongue. I have nothing against the Russians or Slavic people. Through the Sovjets I partly inhered their culture.

Like Kurds, Russians love freedom. Russians always fought for freedom. And I do respect that! I know what is going on in Russia. I have very close relatives living in Russian. I'm very up to date about the current situation.

Soviet academics (like Ivanov or Vladimir Minorsky) were very honest people. They wrote that Kurds were from the Medes, etc. Russian/Soviet academics never said that Slavic people were Aryans.


I'm a proud Kurd. Kurdistan is in West Asia. Kurds are native to Kurdistan and that makes Kurdish race West Asian. Kurds are the 'knights' of West Asia. Kurdish race is a creator of the warriors like Saladin.


There is a link between EHG and Siberian HG. Both admixtures are related to each other and Siberian HG is 'Mongoloid'. Later more 'Mogoloid' DNA (with Tatars) came to Slavic lands. Mongoloid DNA is incorporated into East European Slavic DNA.


With all due respect, but Kurds are by far much more Caucasoid than Russians or Slavic people!

[Pahli]

Well, nothing wrong with that but this is not a Kurdish nationalist forum, this is supposed to be a European cultural community, so at least moderate your zeal.
I don't wanna argue with you, I don't particularly care about Kurds (nothing against them either).

Don't bother with this Semitic retard, I saw his results, he is less "Aryan" than me (not that I care anyway), so he'll probably cry to sleep over a few percentages :cry2

Besides, if "EHG is part Mongoloid", that would also make CHG / Iran_N part Mongoloid since Iran_N = 50% Dzudzuana + 50% ANE, EHG = 75% ANE + 25% WHG, so they are distantly related through ANE admixture, yet this retard insults everything that in his mind is non-Aryan.

I get 18% ANE btw, I know Central Asians get even more; Some East Iranian Pamiris get up to ~30% ANE, Yamnaya itself was 50% ANE.

Pamiri Shugnan sample;

ANE 28.06 Pct
ASE 7.85 Pct
WHG-UHG 22.85 Pct
East_Eurasian 5.29 Pct
West_African -
East_African 0.25 Pct
ENF 35.70 Pct


20% is a very big number. Tatars have the same. And these are the most Europeoid sakas?
I doubt that they had Iranian language. There are no Iranian people having a such a mogoloid genetics.

I don't have time to argue with a Turk tatar nationalist; There are modern day Tajiks with 15% Mongoloid, Western Scythians and Sarmatians had up to ~12%, besides; Tatars are all assimilated natives, the Turkic elite was never that Caucasoid or Europoid to begin with, the most Mongoloid Sakas I've seen came out as ~40% Mongoloid, I cannot tell if the individual samples were speaking Iranian, but I am pretty sure most of the Central Asian Sakas, whether they had 10 or 20% Mongoloid, spoke a dialect of East Iranian, Mongoloid admixture doesn't make you Turkic or Mongolian ;)

On top, you are unrelated to Scythians, you're just some Ugric volga person that got assimilated by a Tatar on horse 800 years ago, yet you want to claim every Steppe people as Turkic, the lunatics never stop.

[Leto]

Pahli's results (K7)

ANE 17.91 Pct
ASE 4.97 Pct
WHG-UHG 8.13 Pct
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 1.21 Pct
ENF 67.78 Pct

[MS85]

so at least moderate your zeal. I share the same (Islamic and Semitic) enemies with the Europeans. I have nothing against them.

I'm just talking about my Aryan history about my people and my Aryan race.

[Zoro]

Guys don’t use admixture calculators to show whether a sample is more similar to another. This has been discussed online. If you want to see if 2 samples are more similar to each other you MUST use a 1 to 1 comparison tool such as Dstats and IBS

Here is how an admixture calculator can fool you:

To make it simple lets say the calculator only has 3 components. Let’s say they are Caucasian, Steppe, and S Indian.

Lets say the Kurd has:

6 Caucasian alleles
3 Steppe alleles
1 S Indian alleles

TOTAL the Kurd has 10 matching alleles with the calculator references. Therefore his percentages will be:
6/10= 60% Caucasian
3/10= 30% Steppe
1/10= 10% S Indian

Nevermind if the actual percentages are off just focus on how things are calculated for now. Now let’s look at the N Indian now:

Say N Indian has 6 matching alleles with the calculator references:

2 Caucasian alleles
2 Steppe alleles
2 S Indian alleles

TOTALs for the N Indian:

2/6= 33.3% Caucasian
2/6= 33.3% Steppe
2/6= 33.3% S Indian

See how the N Indian came out with 33.3% Steppe but only has 2 Steppe alleles whereas the Kurd even with 4 Steppe alleles which is more than the 2 the Indian has came out with only 30% Steppe. That’s how calculators fuck things up and that’s why the papers use Dstats or IBS or something similar when they want to make a direct comparison between 2 samples.

So if you use Dstats or IBS you’ll see:

1- Kurds have more Steppe than N Indians (of course there is variation among different Kurds just like N Indians)
2- Kurds are more similar to Afghan Pashtuns than Indians are to them.


Brothers Pahli and MS85 : try to make your points without insulting each other. I know it’s hard when both of you think you’re right. Your intentions are good but some of the things you are relying on to make your points are throwing you off, such as using admixture calculators and assumptions about whether endogenous Iranians or Steppe were original Aryans

[Chelubey]

For information , the number of yagnobs is 5 thousand people. A small isolated group with a large genetic drift can hardly be as a benchmark for proto-Iranian genetics.

[MS85]

You do have some Ancient North Eurasian, dude. Most Iranians do. Post Eurogenes K7 ANE.I have a lot ANE. But it is from the ancient Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers. Those farmers were fully Caucasoid.

https://i.postimg.cc/J0Xyq9cq/ANE.jpg

[Pahli]

For information , the number of yagnobs is 5 thousand people. A small isolated group with a large genetic drift can hardly be as a benchmark for proto-Iranian genetics.

They aren't, but they are roughly 50% Proto-Iranian / Steppe ;)

Let me post Scythians so you can stop circlejerking with your Turanoid propaganda, please:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 47.19
2 West_Asia 24.04
3 SW_Europe 13.65
4 Siberia 6.75
5 South_Asia 3.11
6 Americas 3.02
7 NE_Asia 1.25
8 SE_Asia 0.98

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 13.67
2 Chuvash 18.02
3 Mordovian 18.65
4 Moldavian 20.39
5 Ukrainian 20.91


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.3% Mordovian + 37.7% Tadjik @ 7.16
2 51.8% Latvian + 48.2% Tadjik @ 7.24
3 51.9% Lithuanian + 48.1% Tadjik @ 7.38
4 58.5% Russian + 41.5% Tadjik @ 7.41
5 67.8% Mordovian + 32.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 7.44

They get Tatar because the Tatars are the closest similar population, but that doesn't make them Turkic.

Tianshen Saka;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 41.3
2 West_Asia 25.05
3 SW_Europe 11.33
4 Siberia 11.13
5 Americas 3.79
6 NE_Asia 3.6
7 South_Asia 2.88
8 SE_Asia 0.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 11.99
2 Chuvash 16.76
3 Aluet 20.9
4 Mordovian 24
5 Moldavian 24.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.8% Chuvash + 37.2% Chechen @ 6.93
2 73.8% Tatar + 26.2% Chechen @ 7.9
3 56.8% Aluet + 43.2% Chechen @ 8.09
4 59.1% Tadjik + 40.9% Finnish @ 8.15
5 78.6% Tatar + 21.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 8.17

They all have more Central Asian farmer admixture than modern day Tatars, evidently they are descendants of Proto-Iranians that migrated into Central Asia and out again according to my and many others' beliefs, not some assimilated Ugric mythology.

[MS85]

They all have more Central Asian farmer admixture than modern day Tatars, evidently they are descendants of Proto-Iranians that migrated into Central Asia and out again according to my and many others' beliefs, not some assimilated Ugric mythology.
Scythians from 1500 BC CAN'T be from proto-Iranians, since they already spoke an EASTERN Iranian dialect. But we have actually no evidence what language the so called Central Asiatic Scythians spoke, since they couldn't write, lol.

They got their language already from the Eastern Iranians from BMAC/Yaz.


proto-Iranian PREDATE Eastern Iranians. Scythian dialect from 1500 BC is from the Eastern Iranians (Yaz/BMAC), nothing to do with the proto-Iranians or even Indo-Iranians

[Leto]

Don't bother with this Semitic retard, I saw his results, he is less "Aryan" than me (not that I care anyway), so he'll probably cry to sleep over a few percentages :cry2

Besides, if "EHG is part Mongoloid", that would also make CHG / Iran_N part Mongoloid since Iran_N = 50% Dzudzuana + 50% ANE, EHG = 75% ANE + 25% WHG, so they are distantly related through ANE admixture, yet this retard insults everything that in his mind is non-Aryan.

I never thought you would be attacked and insulted by a Kurd. You've had feuds with some turds like Böri but never with Kurds.

[Pahli]

Scythians from 1500 BC CAN'T be from proto-Iranians, since they already spoke an EASTERN Iranian dialect. But we have actually no evidence what language the Scythians spoke, since they couldn't write, lol.

They got their language already from the Eastern Iranians from BMAC/Yaz.


proto-Iranian PREDATE Eastern Iranians. Scythian dialect from 1500 BC is from Eastern Iranians, nothing to do with the proto-Iranians or even Indo-Iranians

Their history starts around 1000 - 800 B.C, not 1500 B.C, there was no such ethnic group / ethnicity as Scythian in 1500 B.C since the Andronovo culture continued up til 900 B.C.


I never thought you would be attacked and insulted by a Kurd. You've had feuds with some turds like Böri but never with Kurds.

He is making all Kurds look like retards with his false statements, and he keeps going like there is no tomorrow.

[Leto]

I have a lot ANE. But it is from the ancient Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers. Those farmers were fully Caucasoid.

https://i.postimg.cc/J0Xyq9cq/ANE.jpg
And what are your K13 and K15 results? How much South Asian?

[Leto]

They all have more Central Asian farmer admixture than modern day Tatars, evidently they are descendants of Proto-Iranians that migrated into Central Asia and out again according to my and many others' beliefs, not some assimilated Ugric mythology.
Many Tatar nationalists claim they're the sons of Genghis Khan :lol:
I posted a Tatar girl's results, a Volga Tatar from Tatarstan:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285254-Tatar-girl-GEDmatch


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 44.47
2 SW_Europe 15.98
3 Siberia 12.12
4 West_Asia 10.71
5 NE_Asia 5.53
6 SW_Asia 2.54
7 Americas 2.2
8 South_Asia 1.95
9 SE_Asia 1.75
10 West_Africa 1.4
11 Oceania 1.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 5
2 Chuvash 8.92
3 Aluet 13.84
4 Mordovian 15.76
5 Russian 18.91
6 Ukrainian 19.46
7 Moldavian 19.47
8 Slovak 19.62
9 Belarusian 20.44
10 Slovene 20.54
11 German_North 21.33
12 Hungarian 21.77
13 Bosnian 22.12
14 Croatian 22.65
15 Polish 22.97
16 Norwegian 23
17 Swedish 23.17
18 Utahn_European 23.18
19 Irish 23.47
20 English 23.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.9% Tatar + 12.1% Finnish @ 3.43
2 87.8% Tatar + 12.2% Latvian @ 3.49
3 87.8% Tatar + 12.2% Lithuanian @ 3.53
4 87.4% Tatar + 12.6% Estonian @ 3.54
5 84% Tatar + 16% Russian @ 3.55
6 86.9% Tatar + 13.1% Polish @ 3.65
7 82.3% Tatar + 17.7% Mordovian @ 3.77
8 86.1% Tatar + 13.9% Belarusian @ 3.82
9 88.8% Tatar + 11.2% Swedish @ 4.1
10 72.1% Mordovian + 27.9% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.2
11 87.7% Tatar + 12.3% Ukrainian @ 4.24
12 89.5% Tatar + 10.5% Norwegian @ 4.25
13 89.6% Tatar + 10.4% German_North @ 4.38
14 90.8% Tatar + 9.2% Utahn_European @ 4.44
15 89.8% Tatar + 10.2% Slovak @ 4.51
16 91.8% Tatar + 8.2% Irish @ 4.56
17 92.1% Tatar + 7.9% Orcadian @ 4.59
18 91.1% Tatar + 8.9% Slovene @ 4.61
19 92.2% Tatar + 7.8% English @ 4.61
20 92.6% Tatar + 7.4% Scottish @ 4.65

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Utahn_European @ 3.374587
2 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Irish @ 3.454678
3 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Orcadian @ 3.463177
4 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Scottish @ 3.478901
5 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + English + Finnish @ 3.482465
6 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Irish @ 3.485041
7 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Orcadian @ 3.489974
8 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + English + Finnish @ 3.498096
9 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Utahn_European @ 3.500902
10 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Scottish @ 3.503335
11 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + German_North @ 3.557986
12 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Mordovian + Polish @ 3.644626
13 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Norwegian @ 3.657344
14 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + German_North @ 3.677036
15 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Estonian + Mordovian @ 3.678098
16 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Belarusian + Russian @ 3.706040
17 Afghan_Hazara + Belarusian + Chuvash + Russian @ 3.718468
18 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + German_South @ 3.742515
19 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Mordovian + Polish @ 3.744719
20 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Belarusian + Mordovian @ 3.746811

[Chelubey]

I don't have time to argue with a Turk tatar nationalist; There are modern day Tajiks with 15% Mongoloid, Western Scythians and Sarmatians had up to ~12%, besides; Tatars are all assimilated natives, the Turkic elite was never that Caucasoid or Europoid to begin with, the most Mongoloid Sakas I've seen came out as ~40% Mongoloid, I cannot tell if the individual samples were speaking Iranian, but I am pretty sure most of the Central Asian Sakas, whether they had 10 or 20% Mongoloid, spoke a dialect of East Iranian, Mongoloid admixture doesn't make you Turkic or Mongolian ;)

On top, you are unrelated to Scythians, you're just some Ugric volga person that got assimilated by a Tatar on horse 800 years ago, yet you want to claim every Steppe people as Turkic, the lunatics never stop.
Can you prove it based on phylogeny of haplogroups?

[MS85]

My results:

https://i.postimg.cc/zBxQDcsq/kurd.jpg



South Asian in me is from Mesolithic/Neolithic Iranian Plateau farmers.
M825671 I1293 Iran Mesolithic [9100-8600 BC] HV2 J2a-M410>CTS1085

https://i.postimg.cc/kgWhR401/mes-iran.jpg

[Pahli]

Many Tatar nationalists claim they're the sons of Genghis Khan :lol:
I posted a Tatar girl's results, a Volga Tatar from Tatarstan:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285254-Tatar-girl-GEDmatch


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 44.47
2 SW_Europe 15.98
3 Siberia 12.12
4 West_Asia 10.71
5 NE_Asia 5.53
6 SW_Asia 2.54
7 Americas 2.2
8 South_Asia 1.95
9 SE_Asia 1.75
10 West_Africa 1.4
11 Oceania 1.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 5
2 Chuvash 8.92
3 Aluet 13.84
4 Mordovian 15.76
5 Russian 18.91
6 Ukrainian 19.46
7 Moldavian 19.47
8 Slovak 19.62
9 Belarusian 20.44
10 Slovene 20.54
11 German_North 21.33
12 Hungarian 21.77
13 Bosnian 22.12
14 Croatian 22.65
15 Polish 22.97
16 Norwegian 23
17 Swedish 23.17
18 Utahn_European 23.18
19 Irish 23.47
20 English 23.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.9% Tatar + 12.1% Finnish @ 3.43
2 87.8% Tatar + 12.2% Latvian @ 3.49
3 87.8% Tatar + 12.2% Lithuanian @ 3.53
4 87.4% Tatar + 12.6% Estonian @ 3.54
5 84% Tatar + 16% Russian @ 3.55
6 86.9% Tatar + 13.1% Polish @ 3.65
7 82.3% Tatar + 17.7% Mordovian @ 3.77
8 86.1% Tatar + 13.9% Belarusian @ 3.82
9 88.8% Tatar + 11.2% Swedish @ 4.1
10 72.1% Mordovian + 27.9% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.2
11 87.7% Tatar + 12.3% Ukrainian @ 4.24
12 89.5% Tatar + 10.5% Norwegian @ 4.25
13 89.6% Tatar + 10.4% German_North @ 4.38
14 90.8% Tatar + 9.2% Utahn_European @ 4.44
15 89.8% Tatar + 10.2% Slovak @ 4.51
16 91.8% Tatar + 8.2% Irish @ 4.56
17 92.1% Tatar + 7.9% Orcadian @ 4.59
18 91.1% Tatar + 8.9% Slovene @ 4.61
19 92.2% Tatar + 7.8% English @ 4.61
20 92.6% Tatar + 7.4% Scottish @ 4.65

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Utahn_European @ 3.374587
2 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Irish @ 3.454678
3 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Orcadian @ 3.463177
4 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Scottish @ 3.478901
5 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + English + Finnish @ 3.482465
6 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Irish @ 3.485041
7 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Orcadian @ 3.489974
8 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + English + Finnish @ 3.498096
9 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Utahn_European @ 3.500902
10 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Scottish @ 3.503335
11 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + German_North @ 3.557986
12 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Mordovian + Polish @ 3.644626
13 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Norwegian @ 3.657344
14 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + German_North @ 3.677036
15 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Estonian + Mordovian @ 3.678098
16 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Belarusian + Russian @ 3.706040
17 Afghan_Hazara + Belarusian + Chuvash + Russian @ 3.718468
18 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + German_South @ 3.742515
19 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Mordovian + Polish @ 3.744719
20 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Belarusian + Mordovian @ 3.746811

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253057-Early-Indo-Iranians-on-Gedmatch

In case that tatar returns, he will be in for a shock; He is assimilated, being only 20 - 25% Turkic.


Can you prove it based on phylogeny of haplogroups?

Most Iranian Central Asians and Pashtuns are R1a, same were the Proto-Iranians. Look up the statistics, Turkic people mixed with the Steppe Iranians paternally which resulted in a lot of Turkic individuals carrying on the haplogroup R1a. The native haplogroup of Proto-Turkic people was mostly N as we've seen from pre-Steppe mixed samples.

[MS85]

bla bla

[Zoro]

Kurd by definition (Persian) means nomad. Kurds are a mix of many ancient peoples, Medes, Parthians, Saka/Scythians, and Turkic. Parthians also had Steppe and themselves had Scythians incorporated into their ranks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire

In general Europeans will show an inflated similarity with Scythians, but that’s not necessarily because they descended from them (although they had some admixture from them) , but it’s because both Europeans and Scythians have descended from EHG and other Steppe related groups (common ancestry). It’s alot more complicated than a calculator result shows.

[Leto]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253057-Early-Indo-Iranians-on-Gedmatch

In case that tatar dog returns, he will be in for a shock; He is assimilated, being only 20 - 25% Turkic.
Well, to be fair I think some of the Mongoloid in Volga Tatars and even Chuvash is Turkic. No one knows for sure. Maybe 50-60% of it. Bashkirs look more Turkic and their mtDNA is like 30-40% East Eurasian too.

[Adamastor]

Closer to North Indians if by North Indians you mean Pakistanis and NW Indians.

Closer to Kurds if you include regions like Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan as 'North India'.

[Pahli]

Well, to be fair I think some of the Mongoloid in Volga Tatars and even Chuvash is Turkic. No one knows for sure. Maybe 50-60% of it. Bashkirs look more Turkic and their mtDNA is like 30-40% East Eurasian too.

By adna they aren't, they are late assimilatees of Tatar hordes fleeing Genghis Khan, while the natives they assimilated were Ugric speaking people. Not denying the pre-Turkic natives had some Asian as well, but it was boosted by the arrival of the Tatars.


Kurd by definition (Persian) means nomad. Kurds are a mix of many ancient peoples, Medes, Parthians, Saka/Scythians, and Turkic. Parthians also had Steppe and themselves had Scythians incorporated into their ranks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire

In general Europeans will show an inflated similarity with Scythians, but that’s not necessarily because they descended from them (although they had some admixture from them) , but it’s because both Europeans and Scythians have descended from EHG and other Steppe related groups (common ancestry). It’s alot more complicated than a calculator result shows.

Specifically Eastern Europeans, I've seen Western Scythians and Sarmatians plot East of Eastern European, slightly towards West- and Central Asia, albeit they are still closer to Europe, user Arhat is pretty similar to them IMO.

[MS85]

Most Iranian Central Asians and Pashtuns are R1a, same were the Proto-Iranians.proto-Iranians were J2a, L, R1b, G2a, R1a* etc.

R1a just bottlenecked in South Central Asia (Z94) and Eastern Europe (Z282) due to mass rape.


I'm R1a* and have nothing to do with Z93 or Z282. My paternal lineage is very unique and native to West Asia / Zagros / Kurdistan.

[Leto]

By adna they aren't, they are late assimilatees of Tatar hordes fleeing Genghis Khan, while the natives they assimilated were Ugric speaking people. Not denying the pre-Turkic natives had some Asian as well, but it was boosted by the arrival of the Tatars.

Bashkirs? They existed before the Mongol invasion of European Russia. Bashkirs are sometimes over 40% East Eurasian, they look quite mongoloid too and have a more Turkic culture like horse riding, etc.

[MS85]

Eastern Scythians cluster very, very close to modern Tatar people in Central Asia.

https://i.postimg.cc/gjJ3dSpF/saka.png

[Pahli]

proto-Iranians were J2a, L, R1b, G2a, R1a* etc.

R1a just bottlenecked in South Central Asia (Z94) and Eastern Europe (Z282) due to mass rape.


I'm R1a* and have nothing to do with Z93 or Z282. My paternal lineage is very unique and native to West Asia / Zagros / Kurdistan.

Most East Iranian R1a branches are Z94 / Z93 which is the proto-Iranian carrier, with few individual R1b, G2 / G1 and J2, but the dominant ones were R1a.

[Chelubey]

They aren't, but they are roughly 50% Proto-Iranian / Steppe ;)

Let me post Scythians so you can stop circlejerking with your Turanoid propaganda, please:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 47.19
2 West_Asia 24.04
3 SW_Europe 13.65
4 Siberia 6.75
5 South_Asia 3.11
6 Americas 3.02
7 NE_Asia 1.25
8 SE_Asia 0.98

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 13.67
2 Chuvash 18.02
3 Mordovian 18.65
4 Moldavian 20.39
5 Ukrainian 20.91


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.3% Mordovian + 37.7% Tadjik @ 7.16
2 51.8% Latvian + 48.2% Tadjik @ 7.24
3 51.9% Lithuanian + 48.1% Tadjik @ 7.38
4 58.5% Russian + 41.5% Tadjik @ 7.41
5 67.8% Mordovian + 32.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 7.44

They get Tatar because the Tatars are the closest similar population, but that doesn't make them Turkic.

Tianshen Saka;

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 41.3
2 West_Asia 25.05
3 SW_Europe 11.33
4 Siberia 11.13
5 Americas 3.79
6 NE_Asia 3.6
7 South_Asia 2.88
8 SE_Asia 0.91

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 11.99
2 Chuvash 16.76
3 Aluet 20.9
4 Mordovian 24
5 Moldavian 24.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.8% Chuvash + 37.2% Chechen @ 6.93
2 73.8% Tatar + 26.2% Chechen @ 7.9
3 56.8% Aluet + 43.2% Chechen @ 8.09
4 59.1% Tadjik + 40.9% Finnish @ 8.15
5 78.6% Tatar + 21.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 8.17

They all have more Central Asian farmer admixture than modern day Tatars, evidently they are descendants of Proto-Iranians that migrated into Central Asia and out again according to my and many others' beliefs, not some assimilated Ugric mythology.
What is it?
Correct comparison shows that the Tatars are one of the closest people to the Scythians.
Incorrect comparison (Mixed Mode of two present-day population ) makes no sense. You shoot oneself in the foot.

[Pahli]

Bashkirs? They existed before the Mongol invasion of European Russia. Bashkirs are sometimes over 40% East Eurasian, they look quite mongoloid too and have a more Turkic culture like horse riding, etc.

Talking about Tatars, not Bashkirs ;)


What is it?
Correct comparison shows that the Tatars are one of the closest people to the Scythians.
Incorrect comparison (Mixed Mode of two present-day population ) makes no sense. You shoot oneself in the foot.

Incorrect comparison how? Because they are similar doesn't mean they are Turkic. Tatars =/= Scythians, your people got buttfucked by Mongoloid Tatars and therefor you speak Turkic instead of Ugric, deal with it. Mongoloid admixture doesn't make you Turkic :)

[Pahli]

snip

[MS85]

Most East Iranian R1a branches are Z94 / Z93 which is the proto-Iranian carrier, with few individual R1b, G2 / G1 and J2, but the dominant ones were R1a.I'm R1a*

but the ARYAN Ezdi Kurds, who are the 'purest' Kurds are more R1b than R1a


We have even got MORE Y-DNA hg. L & T than R1a.

https://i.postimg.cc/QNy66Pcr/Ezdi-Kurds.png

[Leto]

My results:

https://i.postimg.cc/zBxQDcsq/kurd.jpg

And the oracle? You're indeed a pure Kurd, no one is denying that.

[MS85]

Btw, they found also Y-DNA 'L' in ancient Maykop. Aryan Ezdi hg. L has something to do with that.


Like I said, Aryan Medes had many different haplogroups: J2a, L, R1b, R1a, G2a etc.

[Leto]

I'm R1a*

but the ARYAN Ezdi Kurds, who are the 'purest' Kurds are more R1b than R1a


We have even got MORE Y-DNA hg. L & T than R1a.

https://i.postimg.cc/QNy66Pcr/Ezdi-Kurds.png
Are you sure you did a proper Y-DNA test? I bet you're Z93 like user Mingle (Paki Pashtun).

[Chelubey]

Many Tatar nationalists claim they're the sons of Genghis Khan :lol:
I posted a Tatar girl's results, a Volga Tatar from Tatarstan:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?285254-Tatar-girl-GEDmatch


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 44.47
2 SW_Europe 15.98
3 Siberia 12.12
4 West_Asia 10.71
5 NE_Asia 5.53
6 SW_Asia 2.54
7 Americas 2.2
8 South_Asia 1.95
9 SE_Asia 1.75
10 West_Africa 1.4
11 Oceania 1.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 5
2 Chuvash 8.92
3 Aluet 13.84
4 Mordovian 15.76
5 Russian 18.91
6 Ukrainian 19.46
7 Moldavian 19.47
8 Slovak 19.62
9 Belarusian 20.44
10 Slovene 20.54
11 German_North 21.33
12 Hungarian 21.77
13 Bosnian 22.12
14 Croatian 22.65
15 Polish 22.97
16 Norwegian 23
17 Swedish 23.17
18 Utahn_European 23.18
19 Irish 23.47
20 English 23.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.9% Tatar + 12.1% Finnish @ 3.43
2 87.8% Tatar + 12.2% Latvian @ 3.49
3 87.8% Tatar + 12.2% Lithuanian @ 3.53
4 87.4% Tatar + 12.6% Estonian @ 3.54
5 84% Tatar + 16% Russian @ 3.55
6 86.9% Tatar + 13.1% Polish @ 3.65
7 82.3% Tatar + 17.7% Mordovian @ 3.77
8 86.1% Tatar + 13.9% Belarusian @ 3.82
9 88.8% Tatar + 11.2% Swedish @ 4.1
10 72.1% Mordovian + 27.9% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.2
11 87.7% Tatar + 12.3% Ukrainian @ 4.24
12 89.5% Tatar + 10.5% Norwegian @ 4.25
13 89.6% Tatar + 10.4% German_North @ 4.38
14 90.8% Tatar + 9.2% Utahn_European @ 4.44
15 89.8% Tatar + 10.2% Slovak @ 4.51
16 91.8% Tatar + 8.2% Irish @ 4.56
17 92.1% Tatar + 7.9% Orcadian @ 4.59
18 91.1% Tatar + 8.9% Slovene @ 4.61
19 92.2% Tatar + 7.8% English @ 4.61
20 92.6% Tatar + 7.4% Scottish @ 4.65

Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Utahn_European @ 3.374587
2 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Irish @ 3.454678
3 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Orcadian @ 3.463177
4 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Scottish @ 3.478901
5 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + English + Finnish @ 3.482465
6 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Irish @ 3.485041
7 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Orcadian @ 3.489974
8 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + English + Finnish @ 3.498096
9 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + Utahn_European @ 3.500902
10 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Scottish @ 3.503335
11 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + German_North @ 3.557986
12 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Mordovian + Polish @ 3.644626
13 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + Norwegian @ 3.657344
14 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Finnish + German_North @ 3.677036
15 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Estonian + Mordovian @ 3.678098
16 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Belarusian + Russian @ 3.706040
17 Afghan_Hazara + Belarusian + Chuvash + Russian @ 3.718468
18 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Finnish + German_South @ 3.742515
19 Afghan_Hazara + Chuvash + Mordovian + Polish @ 3.744719
20 Afghan_Hazara + Aluet + Belarusian + Mordovian @ 3.746811
Uniparental markers do not show any great kinship between the Tatars and the Eastern Slavs.